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MisterGraves

MisterGraves

Portland, OR
November 2003

JUN 19, 2007 08:03 PM

icmn said:
The disabled being killed? How is this news exactly?



It's not news... it's FA... oh, wrong website. Carry on.

SocietysPliers

SocietysPliers

Ocala, FL
October 2004

JUN 19, 2007 08:05 PM

James_

James_

United Kingdom
March 2003

JUN 20, 2007 12:15 AM

Human sacrifice was a very widespread cultural element at one point. It was certainly very popular in Britain during the late stone age. Lots of settlements from that time, like Skara Brae in Orkney, and sacred sites like Woodhenge have child corpses deposited in postholes. Evidence seems to point to them being dedicatory sacrifices.

It's funny that we think of human sacrifice as a custom detatched from our own history, when the inhabitants of this island were practicing it right up until christianity arrived in the middle of the first millennium. Human sacrifice in South America only lasted 1000 years longer than it did in the British Isles, so it is as much a part of our history as it is someone from Mexico.

I'm not condoning Human sacrifice, obviously, I just think it's interesting that many people don't know, and indeed would rather not know, that our ancestors were pretty much the definition of our modern idea of barbarism.

Bastardo

Bastardo

Boston, MA
January 2005

JUN 20, 2007 04:43 AM

aldushuxley said:
Sigh.... This article is crap, and unfortunately provides no logical point. I however did enjoy the information portrayed in it. You should work on reinforcing your points better, oh well. puke



I swear I can smell wood burning around your posts.

Vampirate

Vampirate

Durham, NC
October 2004

JUN 20, 2007 06:53 AM

SocietysPliers said:

Flux said:

aldushuxley said:
Sigh.... This article is crap, and unfortunately provides no logical point. I however did enjoy the information portrayed in it. You should work on reinforcing your points better, oh well. puke

Uhm, what? Did we read the same article, or do you suffer from the poor man's disability, and, if so, can I sacrifice you to my gods?

At first glance, I was wondering if the incorrect spelling of aldushuxley's membername was intentional or not. Now I wonder what has happened to writers. So often I find errata that appear to be other than typographical (such as my keyboard omitting letters quite frequently). For example, "giving helpful feed back" implies the return of some edible substance, as oppposed to "giving helpful feedback," which would implie offering constructive criticism on a writing.


I'm glad I'm not the only one who was a little surprised to find out that the guy fancies himself a writer.

SocietysPliers

SocietysPliers

Ocala, FL
October 2004

JUN 20, 2007 02:42 PM

Vampirate said:

SocietysPliers said:

Flux said:

aldushuxley said:
Sigh.... This article is crap, and unfortunately provides no logical point. I however did enjoy the information portrayed in it. You should work on reinforcing your points better, oh well. puke

Uhm, what? Did we read the same article, or do you suffer from the poor man's disability, and, if so, can I sacrifice you to my gods?

At first glance, I was wondering if the incorrect spelling of aldushuxley's membername was intentional or not. Now I wonder what has happened to writers. So often I find errata that appear to be other than typographical (such as my keyboard omitting letters quite frequently). For example, "giving helpful feed back" implies the return of some edible substance, as oppposed to "giving helpful feedback," which would implie offering constructive criticism on a writing.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who was a little surprised to find out that the guy fancies himself a writer.

Hey, thanks for not pointing out that when I was editing my post and changing tenses I chanded "implies" to "implie" instead of "imply." I have to edit quickly due to my computer's recent feistiness and that for whatever reason, lately my SG posts hve only sometimes taken and other times appeared hours later blank (like the one above that I had in actuality posted long before the one to which you replied).

But yeah.

emotedcreations

emotedcreations

Germany
July 2006

JUN 20, 2007 03:28 PM

None of the remains buried at the three burials show signs of a violent death or sacrificial killing.

There is no evidence such as unhealed head wounds or flint projectiles that any of the individuals in the Upper Paleolithic graves were sacrificed.

Great, so can we fix your headline now please, and maybe like um, the whole article.

Aaron_Lariviere

Aaron_Lariviere

Los Angeles, CA
May 2007

JUN 20, 2007 03:46 PM

Right, so I assume you skimmed the source article rather than read it. Both of those are direct quotes, yes. But taken out of context. They're essentially saying the same thing, that if these people were sacrificed they weren't killed with anything that would have damaged their bones, and no arrowheads were found. They easily could have been drowned, buried alive, smothered, etc.

And the second quote is taken from someone who was simply interviewed as a counterpoint to the main researcher -- he didn't visit any of these sites, he simply gave a quote, and not even one that disputes Formicola's views:

Anthropologist David Frayer of the University of Kansas agrees that Upper Paleolithic multiple burials may point to ritual human sacrifices.

"There is no evidence - such as unhealed head wounds or flint projectiles _ that any of the individuals in the Upper Paleolithic graves were sacrificed. However, it is also unlikely that multiple, simultaneous deaths were all accidental in the Upper Paleolithic," Frayer told Discovery News.



The reason i didn't call this articled "early man sacrificed the disabled" is because this is a theory. I presented Formicola's theory, and so used the term "believed".

emotedcreations

emotedcreations

Germany
July 2006

JUN 20, 2007 04:40 PM

Aaron_Lariviere said:
Right, so I assume you skimmed the source article rather than read it.

Sure, whatever you wanna believe.

Three sites, without conclusive evidence is bullshit, so sorry. It's ~10 thousand year old circumstantial evidence of a extremely limited sample size. But to be honest, it was more about your article just being lame. Misrepresenting the Maya, then misrepresenting the strength of another argument, all to conclude what? That humans have alway been mean to the handicapped? Good job. wink Real interesting.


Both of those are direct quotes, yes. But taken out of context. They're essentially saying the same thing, that if these people were sacrificed they weren't killed with anything that would have damaged their bones, and no arrowheads were found. They easily could have been drowned, buried alive, smothered, etc.

It's not out of context when it's pointing out faulty logic.

The reason i didn't call this articled "early man sacrificed the disabled" is because this is a theory. I presented Formicola's theory, and so used the term "believed".

I'm not going to quibble with the title of your article even though I objected, but perhaps a "may" would have been more apt.

I apologize. I didn't mean to turn this into a "thing" I'm trying to be nicer on the boards. Apparently, I'm going to have a harder time than I thought . Next time I'll just not say anything. Sorry...

emotedcreations

emotedcreations

Germany
July 2006

JUN 20, 2007 05:09 PM

Aaron: I just noticed the CA abstract. I apologize for my comment. I can see how you might get that from his study based on the Discovery article.

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