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Aaron_Lariviere

Aaron_Lariviere

Los Angeles, CA
May 2007

JUN 19, 2007 12:19 PM



I saw half of Apocalypto. I distinctly recall heads being lopped off and still-beating hearts torn from the ravaged flesh of unfortunate captives. It wasn’t pretty. Here’s the gore-free version of Mayan-style human sacrifice:



Typically, that’s how we envision human sacrifice: savage ethnic peoples tearing out vital organs, or island-bred cannibals serving up a human feast for their bloodthirsty gods. But anthropologists have long known others practiced similar rituals, including the Druids, who enjoyed burning victims alive, and the Vikings, who buried slaves as part of funeral ceremonies.

And now, Discovery News reports there is new evidence to suggest human sacrifice may have had a role in the culture of Upper Paleolithic Europeans, which until now, has never been apparent. The term Upper Paleolithic roughly refers to the years 26,000 to 8,000 B.C., or the most recent portion of what we usually think of as the Stone Age.

By analyzing three burial sites in Russia, Italy, and the Czech Republic, lead researcher Vincenzo Formicola has suggested that the hunter-gatherer societies of early Europeans partook in elaborate funerals rituals and, quite possibly, had a habit of sacrificing the disabled. But it's ok: the term 'politically correct' had yet to be coined. From Discovery News:

”The Sunghir double burial in Russia is probably the most spectacular and elaborate funerary example. A boy and a girl were placed head to head in a long, narrow, shallow grave. They were covered with red ochre and ornamented with extraordinarily rich and unique grave goods,” Formicola wrote in the June issue of Current Anthropology.

The skeleton of the girl showed abnormal thigh bones that were bowed and shortened — most likely the result of a disease linked to a diabetic condition of the mother.




Combined with the findings at the other graves, which both featured skeletons with physical deformities buried alongside non-deformed children of similar ages, Formicola believes that these may have been sacrificial victims chosen by a process of age selection. The “grave goods” found at the Russian site -- which included 5000 ivory beads sewn into clothing -- offer a clue:

Each ivory bead would have required the work of a specialist and would have taken more than a hour to make. This implies that the grave goods were ready when the two children died, raising the question of whether this ceremony was foreseen long in advance.
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These findings point to the possibility that human sacrifices were part of the ritual activity of these populations. Disabled may have been feared, hated or revered . . . we do not know whether this adolescent [found at the Italian site] received special burial treatment in spite of being a dwarf or precisely because he was a dwarf.


Obviously the evidence isn’t conclusive, but it is suggestive. So ancient Europeans were ‘barbaric’, and their possible fear of the disabled makes sense; they didn’t know any better. But surely, surely, their descendants, including civilized white Americans, have progressed in their attitudes toward those who, through no fault of their own are physically different. At least we don't burn them alive anymore, right? But it's not all a tub full of bubbles and love, either.



Aaron_Lariviere doesn't condone the practice of dwarf / midget / little-person tossing, and tends to think those who do are shitty.

RileyStClair

RileyStClair

Los Angeles, CA
September 2006

JUN 19, 2007 02:11 PM

"ancestors" should read "descendants"

Roethke

Roethke

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

JUN 19, 2007 02:18 PM



I saw half of Apocalypto. I distinctly recall heads being lopped off and still-beating hearts torn from the ravaged flesh of unfortunate captives. It wasn't pretty. Here's the gore-free version of Mayan-style human sacrifice:


Apocalypto was only inspired by Mayan culture. It isn't a representation, accurate or even close to accurate, of their actual practices.

Aaron_Lariviere

Aaron_Lariviere

Los Angeles, CA
May 2007

JUN 19, 2007 02:19 PM

yourfashionwar said:
"ancestors" should read "descendants"



Yep. Thanks, i'll fix that.

Aaron_Lariviere

Aaron_Lariviere

Los Angeles, CA
May 2007

JUN 19, 2007 02:25 PM

Roethke said:


I saw half of Apocalypto. I distinctly recall heads being lopped off and still-beating hearts torn from the ravaged flesh of unfortunate captives. It wasn't pretty. Here's the gore-free version of Mayan-style human sacrifice:


Apocalypto was only inspired by Mayan culture. It isn't a representation, accurate or even close to accurate, of their actual practices.



Fair enough. All I'm saying is that that's how a lot of people envision human sacrifice, whether it's accurate or not.

And there are countless pieces of Mayan art that have survived showing similar scenes of human sacrifice, frequently very much like what appeared in Apocalypto.

thatoneguy23

thatoneguy23

Ewa Beach, HI
October 2005

JUN 19, 2007 02:57 PM

Hey, look at the good side, at least that little person had a helmet. This is a VAST improvement over the old helmetless midget throwing days of yore.

Lyte88

Lyte88

Kitchener, ON
May 2007

JUN 19, 2007 03:01 PM

uhhh...

Nimbusfool

Nimbusfool

Moscow, ID
August 2006

JUN 19, 2007 03:26 PM

the gods must be crazy

Nokturn

Nokturn

United Kingdom
April 2006

JUN 19, 2007 03:36 PM

I've never got the supposed humour element of 'small people'.
Parading them is neither big nor...
Parading them is neither offensive nor funny, just... pointless.
Anybody get the humour?

Aaron_Lariviere

Aaron_Lariviere

Los Angeles, CA
May 2007

JUN 19, 2007 04:00 PM

Nokturn said:
I've never got the supposed humour element of 'small people'.
Parading them is neither big nor...
Parading them is neither offensive nor funny, just... pointless.
Anybody get the humour?



I don't either. If the appeal is that "they're humans, only smaller" the pricks that laugh so hard should go wild every time they see children.

madbax

madbax

Nome, TX
March 2005

JUN 19, 2007 04:14 PM

Hehe. That Bettlejuice is a gamer.

DeusExMachina

DeusExMachina

Berkeley, CA
August 2004

JUN 19, 2007 04:39 PM

The disabled being killed? How is this news exactly?

aldoushuxley

aldoushuxley

USA
November 2005

JUN 19, 2007 04:41 PM

Sigh.... This article is crap, and unfortunately provides no logical point. I however did enjoy the information portrayed in it. You should work on reinforcing your points better, oh well. puke

zyryx

zyryx

Tyler, TX
April 2004

JUN 19, 2007 04:44 PM

as a disabled person in the wonderful U.S. of A., I can honestly say being burned alive would be a kindness...

miguelfronteras

miguelfronteras

New York, NY
February 2006

JUN 19, 2007 04:52 PM

yourfashionwar said:
"ancestors" should read "descendants"



do your research..."Modern Humans" - US - were here and the dominate species by 30,000 years ago...so no...these people we are talking about are our "ANCESTORS"...

"Around 50,000 years ago, there was a sudden explosion of human migration out of Africa, and by about 30,000 years ago, we were the last ones standing." - http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/02/0220_030220_humanorigins2.html

Aaron_Lariviere

Aaron_Lariviere

Los Angeles, CA
May 2007

JUN 19, 2007 04:58 PM

miguelfronteras said:

yourfashionwar said:
"ancestors" should read "descendants"



do your research..."Modern Humans" - US - were here and the dominate species by 30,000 years ago...so no...these people we are talking about are our "ANCESTORS"...

"Around 50,000 years ago, there was a sudden explosion of human migration out of Africa, and by about 30,000 years ago, we were the last ones standing." - http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/02/0220_030220_humanorigins2.html



No,no, in my last paragraph I had mistakenly described modern white americans as the ancestors of ancient europeans rather than the descendants. She was pointing out my typo, which has since been fixed.

Flux

Flux

SUICIDEGIRL

Georgia, USA

JUN 19, 2007 05:12 PM

aldushuxley said:
Sigh.... This article is crap, and unfortunately provides no logical point. I however did enjoy the information portrayed in it. You should work on reinforcing your points better, oh well. puke



Uhm, what? Did we read the same article, or do you suffer from the poor man's disability, and, if so, can I sacrifice you to my gods?

metalmermaid

metalmermaid

Mojave, CA
April 2007

JUN 19, 2007 05:34 PM

That's weird that this article was posted today. I just saw Apocalypto for the first time last night.

aldoushuxley

aldoushuxley

USA
November 2005

JUN 19, 2007 05:40 PM

It's the ending movie and statement I had a problem with, the entire rest of the article was very well done but the ending was completely irrelevant and unsupported by anything else in the article. I guess I have been spoiled by don't fear the reapers articles his are always stellar. I was just giving him some helpful feed back as a fellow writer. Pretty droll insult as well seeing that if someone could write it would make sense that they could read. At least that always made since to me, well there is a small possibility I am wrong on this one.

Flux

Flux

SUICIDEGIRL

Georgia, USA

JUN 19, 2007 05:46 PM

aldushuxley said:
It's the ending movie and statement I had a problem with, the entire rest of the article was very well done but the ending was completely irrelevant and unsupported by anything else in the article. I guess I have been spoiled by don't fear the reapers articles his are always stellar. I was just giving him some helpful feed back as a fellow writer.



Have you by any chance ever heard of the technique known as irony?

aldoushuxley

aldoushuxley

USA
November 2005

JUN 19, 2007 05:51 PM

I don't follow you but oh well, I guess I was a little harsh on the criticism directed towards his article. I suppose I shouldn't do that to the poor guy until I post an article. Well when I do post an article you can all smear it ok.

Aaron_Lariviere

Aaron_Lariviere

Los Angeles, CA
May 2007

JUN 19, 2007 05:53 PM

aldushuxley said:
It's the ending movie and statement I had a problem with, the entire rest of the article was very well done but the ending was completely irrelevant and unsupported by anything else in the article. I guess I have been spoiled by don't fear the reapers articles his are always stellar. I was just giving him some helpful feed back as a fellow writer.



hey, i'm not offended. my cerebral cortex is too fried right now to tell whether my writing is on or off today, and i don't mind hearing your gut reaction. better than being nice for kindness sake, i think.

Flux: I do appreciate the vote of confidence.

The_Melon_Helmet

The_Melon_Helmet

Oakton, VA
June 2006

JUN 19, 2007 05:54 PM

aldushuxley said:
It's the ending movie and statement I had a problem with, the entire rest of the article was very well done but the ending was completely irrelevant and unsupported by anything else in the article. I guess I have been spoiled by don't fear the reapers articles his are always stellar. I was just giving him some helpful feed back as a fellow writer. Pretty droll insult as well seeing that if someone could write it would make sense that they could read. At least that always made since to me, well there is a small possibility I am wrong on this one.



It all makes perfect since to me as well.

Vampirate

Vampirate

Durham, NC
October 2004

JUN 19, 2007 06:16 PM

aldushuxley said:
Pretty droll insult as well seeing that if someone could write it would make sense that they could read. At least that always made since to me, well there is a small possibility I am wrong on this one.


From the linked Wikipedia article:

Unlike an illiterate, one who is functionally illiterate is able to read and write text in his/her native language. However, he/she does so with a variable degree of grammatical correctness, speed, and style, and cannot perform fundamental tasks such as: filling out an employment application; following written instructions; reading a newspaper article; reading traffic signs; consulting a dictionary; or understanding a bus schedule.

(Emphases are mine.)

Could choosing not to read fall in the realm of functional illiteracy?

And this news article? Excellent, although I don't think I've ever talked to anyone would would have argued that our European ancestors from previous ages were any less "barbaric"* than anyone else at the same point in their cultural timeline.

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*For lack of a better word.

SocietysPliers

SocietysPliers

Ocala, FL
October 2004

JUN 19, 2007 06:17 PM

Flux said:

aldushuxley said:
Sigh.... This article is crap, and unfortunately provides no logical point. I however did enjoy the information portrayed in it. You should work on reinforcing your points better, oh well. puke

Uhm, what? Did we read the same article, or do you suffer from the poor man's disability, and, if so, can I sacrifice you to my gods?

At first glance, I was wondering if the incorrect spelling of aldushuxley's membername was intentional or not. Now I wonder what has happened to writers. So often I find errata that appear to be other than typographical (such as my keyboard omitting letters quite frequently). For example, "giving helpful feed back" implies the return of some edible substance, as oppposed to "giving helpful feedback," which would implie offering constructive criticism on a writing.

Just playing.wink I know grammatical standards are generally overlooked on the webernet.

Oh yeah; it all makes perfect sense to me, as well.

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