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SocietysPliers

SocietysPliers

Ocala, FL
October 2004

JUN 05, 2007 12:43 PM

JeedaiInfidel said:

SocietysPliers said:

JeedaiInfidel said:
Stupid girl, this is why you don't get knock out drunk around people you don't know/trust

Yeah, by the time a girl's 17 years old she should have had so much more than enough experience with alcohol and Life that she's never ever in danger again.whatever She was SEVENTEEN!!!!

My ex was raped in a similar knocked out loaded state and she was 40 and 'should have known better.' She's got the disease of alcoholism and refuses to do anything about it. She STILL didn't deserve that, and even six years later if I found out who it was I'd probably do life in prison for torturing and killing him/them.

Inexperience is CERTAINLY no excuse. These are the smae types that would rape a disabled poerson and they should not be allowed around people. EVER. Don't even kill them. Throw them in a tiny pitch black box for the rest of their worthless lives.

Okay, rant over. but this whole issue just pisses me off more than just about anything has lately.

Hmm. Roethke said the same thing; just much more concisely.blush



I didn't say it was an excuse. Infact i said the crime was unforgivable and the boys should be punished. Please finish reading a post before diving off the deep end.

I read the entire post. Which has nothing to do with the only thing in your comment with which I took exception, which was asserting that a kid getting too drunk in a bad situation is stupid. The rest of your post has nothing to do with the initial insult to the victim. She may in fact be stupid. There's no way to know from the article. But it is most assuredly remarkably stupid to assume stupidity to be the reason a young girl gets drunk around strangers.

So, right back atcha: Please finish reading a post before going off the deep end.

And as to going off the deep end, try having YOUR wife get raped and then NOT go off the deep end. I will NOT apologize to you or anyone for going off the deep end and wanting these wastes of oxygen out of the way. And I hope it never happens to anyone you care about. It's bad enough with an adult. But, for a child, I can't even imagine. If it does happen to someone in your life, though, I wonder if your very first act would be to call them stupid.

That's all. This thread is infuriating, and ridiculous assumptions about the victim's intelligence don't help.

JeedaiInfidel

JeedaiInfidel

USA
May 2007

JUN 05, 2007 12:47 PM

My apologies, if i had realized emotions ran so high, i would have said nothing or at least put more thought into my words.

SocietysPliers

SocietysPliers

Ocala, FL
October 2004

JUN 05, 2007 12:57 PM

JeedaiInfidel said:
My apologies, if i had realized emotions ran so high, i would have said nothing or at least put more thought into my words.

No problem. I should have realized you were kind of speaking off the cuff there. It WAS poor judgment, or lack of such, to get kaboodled around a bunch of strangers, but poor judgment or lack of experience with alcohol don't necessarily equal stupidity. In disregard to my previous avowal to NOT apologize, I'm sorry if it came across like my whole comment was in response to yours - only the first part was, which i now realize was merely just a . . er . . . premature literary ejaculation.smile Please do be careful of your wording if ever you are dealing with a victim of rape, though. The weight of every word is greatly amplified.

Roethke

Roethke

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

JUN 05, 2007 01:08 PM

JeedaiInfidel said:
My apologies, if i had realized emotions ran so high, i would have said nothing or at least put more thought into my words.



Really, the emotions of the other posters shouldn't have played into it. You simply shouldn't have impugned the intelligence of a child you know nothing about besides that she was gang-raped. You don't know if she knew the people at the party well or not, if she came with friends, or hell, even if she was roofied.

Yes, it's not very clever to get completely wasted around strangers, regardless of gender, but you don't know that that is what this girl did and it's offensive that the first thing you post is an insult to her.

leningradcowboy

leningradcowboy

I'm lost
February 2007

JUN 05, 2007 01:09 PM

Roethke said:
Holy shit, you're so self righteous it's astounding.



Again, I will cite precedent. These are the SG boards. Self righteousness & self absorption are the norm, not the exception... And BTW, thank you all for proving my point and trashing my post like good little sheep. It was very polite of you, especially since I know you hate me. It showed real class, so- thank you again.

Oh, & Bitch Associate's Degree- you haven't noticed because I ususally don't read your op-ed columns (yes, that was an intentional description). I just happen to comment whenever one jumps in my face. I'm not some troll with a vendetta, but neither am I one to bite my tongue when I see something offensive. This particular article was basically fine in and of itself (from a factual and sociological standpoint). It's your basic attitude and tendency towards inflammatory statements that I take offense to (& no, I don't find that hypocritical because my inflammatory statements don't have NEWS written in front of them in all-caps).

Lastly- again for the record- almost all of these people's responses to me have contained much more in the way of insults and hateful invective than my original posts. I never cursed & I never insulted anyone other than the "author" of the original story. So who here REALLY has the problem? Just a thought...

SocietysPliers

SocietysPliers

Ocala, FL
October 2004

JUN 05, 2007 01:11 PM

Roethke said:

JeedaiInfidel said:
My apologies, if i had realized emotions ran so high, i would have said nothing or at least put more thought into my words.

Really, the emotions of the other posters shouldn't have played into it. You simply shouldn't have impugned the intelligence of a child you know nothing about besides that she was gang-raped. You don't know if she knew the people at the party well or not, if she came with friends, or hell, even if she was roofied.

Yes, it's not very clever to get completely wasted around strangers, regardless of gender, but you don't know that that is what this girl did and it's offensive that the first thing you post is an insult to her.

Damn it, Roethke! Again you made the same point more concisely!smile

leningradcowboy

leningradcowboy

I'm lost
February 2007

JUN 05, 2007 01:12 PM

Ascanius said:

leningradcowboy said:
Whatever. These are the SG boards. Since when did being intelligible become a prerequisite for posting here?



I really hate this argument.



Why, because it's true? tongue

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

JUN 05, 2007 01:30 PM

leningradcowboy said:
. I'm not some troll with a vendetta, but neither am I one to bite my tongue when I see something offensive. This particular article was basically fine in and of itself (from a factual and sociological standpoint).



So, you're not a troll with a vendetta? Yet you respond to an article that you say is "basically fine" with:

Maybe Bitch PhD wants to be raped & this article is a cry for attention


I guess calling you only a troll was giving you the benefit of the doubt, huh?

leningradcowboy said:

Ascanius said:

leningradcowboy said:
Whatever. These are the SG boards. Since when did being intelligible become a prerequisite for posting here?



I really hate this argument.



Why, because it's true? tongue


No, because admitting that what you post is stupid is, well, stupid.

But it's not hard to see why you set the bar so low for yourself. It gives you a target that you might reach someday.


SocietysPliers

SocietysPliers

Ocala, FL
October 2004

JUN 05, 2007 01:46 PM

GatesofAttrition

GatesofAttrition

Seymour, IN
October 2006

JUN 05, 2007 01:46 PM

Ignorance: 1, Reason: 0

Chainlink

Chainlink

Key West, FL
August 2005

JUN 05, 2007 02:05 PM

Bah surreal frown

Chainlink

Chainlink

Key West, FL
August 2005

JUN 05, 2007 02:11 PM

leningradcowboy said:
And for the record, I dog the Bitch whenever I see something she's written because she's a bad writer & seems to have a negative effect on the cohesiveness of the SG "community" (such as it is).



You've been here four months and you're an expert on the " cohesiveness of the SG community" ?

thats rich.

Do yourself and everyone else a favor and just zip it.

leningradcowboy

leningradcowboy

I'm lost
February 2007

JUN 05, 2007 03:06 PM

PointBlank said:
A bunch of the same insulting crap he always says because he hates my guts.



The comment about Bitch PhD being raped was a joke. J. O. K. E. Maybe you should pick that sense of humor up for yourself, not me. I've personally heard Sarah Silverman say far worse things than that only to be answered with waves of laughter. And once again, the personally insulting tone of your response FAR outweighs mine. Of course, if I were to respond in kind, I would be "zotted" (or one of those other cute pseudo-words). And since you seem to love playing "smarter than thou", take a second and reread this: "These are the SG boards. Since when did being intelligible become a prerequisite for posting here?" Your response: "...admitting that what you post is stupid is, well, stupid." Well, if you have even the most rudimentary grasp of English literacy, you could plainly see that nowhere in that sentence do I admit to saying anything stupid. I'm commenting on the environment, not myself. Genius. Now, do you have anything to say that's not a childish personal insult or a lazy interpretation of a half-read statement? Alright, then. BTW- if I was a troll with a vendetta, I would be commenting on ALL of her articles, not just random ones that pop up in my face. Surely someone who spends as much time on this "interweb" thing as you do knows the difference (and yes, that was a joke). I'm not even going to touch the irony in your "lowering the bar" comment, but if you think about it really hard, you might just figure it out.

And to Chainlink- you know NOTHING about me, so you're only exposing your own ignorance. I've been a member five (5) times since early '03, but I keep leaving because of jealous girlfriends & upon returning always make new profiles since most of my old friends are gone by the time I get back anyway (incidentally, those friends left specifically because of the breakdown of the SG "community", so I'm not making this up). So technically, I've got more time in than you do so maybe if anyone should "zip it", perhaps you should consider the action for yourself, newbie. Cheers! By the way, have you thought about working for the CIA? From the sound of it, you'd fit right in. Hell, you might be a Station Chief in a couple of years if you keep up that level of accurate investigation. Good luck with it...

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

JUN 05, 2007 03:18 PM

leningradcowboy said:
And to Chainlink- you know NOTHING about me, so you're only exposing your own ignorance. I've been a member five (5) times since early '03, but I keep leaving because of jealous girlfriends


Quoted for hilarity.

The comment about Bitch PhD being raped was a joke


Yeah, i know. That's sort of why it was shitty. Joking about someone getting in raped in a thread about girls who were actually raped is pretty fucking low. Oh, but you think she's a bad writer? I guess that makes it cool.

"These are the SG boards. Since when did being intelligible become a prerequisite for posting here?" Your response: "...admitting that what you post is stupid is, well, stupid." Well, if you have even the most rudimentary grasp of English literacy, you could plainly see that nowhere in that sentence do I admit to saying anything stupid.


No, what you're claiming is that you don't have to be intelligible because it isn't a prerequisite for posting on the boards. While that may be true, I think that's a sad commentary and says a lot about you.

And for the record, attacking your statements isn't the same as a personal attack. As for me hating you? You have some pretty big delusions of grandeur.

leningradcowboy

leningradcowboy

I'm lost
February 2007

JUN 05, 2007 03:42 PM

PointBlank said:
You have some pretty big delusions of grandeur.



Pot, this is kettle. Kettle, meet pot.

emotedcreations

emotedcreations

Germany
July 2006

JUN 05, 2007 03:49 PM

burn!

BDeyeD

BDeyeD

Toronto, ON
January 2007

JUN 05, 2007 03:58 PM

emotedcreations said:
burn!



Oh, no he di'int! *finger snaps*

Postblank

Postblank

New Brunswick, NJ
June 2004

JUN 05, 2007 08:36 PM

Awwww shit son.

tech29

tech29

I'm lost
July 2004

JUN 06, 2007 10:47 AM

Bitch_PhD said:

PRockPlatypus said:

SkaRambo said:

PRockPlatypus said:
You know who needs a good punch in the face? Every one of those guys' fathers.


And their dumbass submissive mothers.



That's ignorant and reactionary.

Every boy needs someone to give him guidance on how to treat women- especially within the realm of sexual consent.

Now some of you may get all politically correct and cry, "What about boys that grew up with a single mother or have two lesbian parents!" THEY NEED A MALE ROLEMODEL. Don't like it? Tough.

Are there some men who never got this guidance, but still have an accurate moral compass that steers them clear of say, raping someone? Certainly. I'm not saying there aren't exceptions. But if you asked these guys what their fathers taught them about consent, you can bet your ass the answers wouldn't be pretty.



Whaaaaaaaaa?

In fact, studies show that boys raised by lesbians are gentler, less aggressive, and less violent than boys raised by a mom and a dad.

And anecdotally, the guys I've known that were raised by their moms were WAY more understanding of how women think and way less selfish and spoiled than most men.



Boys raised by single mothers and lesbians also have alot more problems with sexual identity and confusion i.e they experiment with homosexuality and dont like it then are resentful of their gay mothers and the gay comunity as whole for confusing them in the first place. Girls too I've read plenty of studies on it.

Boys who grow up without fathers also have a harder time interacting with men, how they identify with being a man around other men can be difficult for them and they can be shunned as weak and effeminate girly men by other men because they are too feminem in there body language, speech etc. so there fore are resentful to their Mothers for making them "weak" as it were. Again I have read case studies on the subject

My point being there is two sides to every argument and to say that boys who are raised by lesbians are automaticly better off or better people for it is just ridiculous, plenty of boys and girls out there are scarred for the experience of being raised by lesbian and gay parents.

AriadneLeFay

AriadneLeFay

Blacksburg, VA
March 2007

JUN 06, 2007 11:35 AM

If that wasn't rape, than what the hell is?

This story made me cry a lot.

Signon

Signon

Austin, TX
June 2005

JUN 06, 2007 12:42 PM

Tech29 said:
Boys raised by single mothers and lesbians also have alot more problems with sexual identity and confusion i.e they experiment with homosexuality and dont like it then are resentful of their gay mothers and the gay comunity as whole for confusing them in the first place. Girls too I've read plenty of studies on it.

Boys who grow up without fathers also have a harder time interacting with men, how they identify with being a man around other men can be difficult for them and they can be shunned as weak and effeminate girly men by other men because they are too feminem in there body language, speech etc. so there fore are resentful to their Mothers for making them "weak" as it were. Again I have read case studies on the subject

My point being there is two sides to every argument and to say that boys who are raised by lesbians are automaticly better off or better people for it is just ridiculous, plenty of boys and girls out there are scarred for the experience of being raised by lesbian and gay parents.



...I'm not going to make the leap and assume I know the source of this info, Tech, but could you and Bitch both please cite your sources?

Signon

Signon

Austin, TX
June 2005

JUN 06, 2007 12:45 PM

AriadneLeFay said:
If that wasn't rape, than what the hell is?

This story made me cry a lot.



It was rape. It's also a prosecutor who's either come up against an unusually tight-knit group of motherfuckers unwilling to turn on each other, or who's nutless. While admittedly not a lawyer myself, I have studied law in the past, and the prosecuting witnesses and material evidence seems strong enough to push forward instead of unilaterally dropping it all.

Bitch_PhD

Bitch_PhD

I'm lost
February 2007

JUN 06, 2007 01:28 PM

Signon said:
...I'm not going to make the leap and assume I know the source of this info, Tech, but could you and Bitch both please cite your sources?



Here's a fairly recent study, and here's a policy statement.

I'll also point out that it's silly to say that children raised by an opposite-sex parent (or parents) have no same-sex role models; there are such things as teachers, extended family, neighbors, friends, coaches, etc.

emotedcreations

emotedcreations

Germany
July 2006

JUN 06, 2007 01:56 PM

...uncles, cousins, grandparents.

Chainlink

Chainlink

Key West, FL
August 2005

JUN 06, 2007 02:10 PM



leningradcowboy said:
I've been a member five (5) times since early '03, but I keep leaving because of jealous girlfriends & upon returning always make new profiles
.

= I have to change my identity at least once a year because I keep fucking girls over and they tell everyone what a fuckin loser I am.

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