Well, it's a good thing I don't really work, so I don't have to worry too much about that
On another note, it's really not surprising this studied concluded this.
I mean, people find any reason to discriminate against anyone.
No, it's not right, but that's just the way it is, unfortunately.
There is nothing wrong with making your family your #1 priority; in fact, if you're going to have one, that's the way it should be.
However...
when you look your employer in the eye and say that, is he or she supposed to have confidence in your commitment to your job and your duties?
I know Bitch_PhD was attempting to be witty with the thread title here, but you know what? Parenting is about sacrifies. You simply cannot have it all. You can't be everything to everybody. If you give it all to your job, your kids suffer, and vice versa. It's reality, and anyone who says otherwise is deluding themselves.
schadenfreude said:
I know Bitch_PhD was attempting to be witty with the thread title here, but you know what? Parenting is about sacrifies. You simply cannot have it all. You can't be everything to everybody. If you give it all to your job, your kids suffer, and vice versa. It's reality, and anyone who says otherwise is deluding themselves.
This isn't about deciding how much to commit.
This is about employers penalizing people for being parents without any regard to performance. If I noticed that people who rode their bike to work tended to be late more often than drivers, and I see that yr a member of a bike club, would it be ethical to pay you less right off the bat?
Maybe this is why I'm having a hard time getting a job. I look like I have a motherly resume' although this isn't what this article is talking about. But that's pretty screwed up. However, it has been a long known bias that mothers are seen to be less responsible at work because they have responsibilities outside of the home. I'm not saying it's true, but that is the stereotype.
Women entering the workforce are almost entirely responsible for the growth in earnings since the 1970s.
And for the record, you catch bullshit if you're a father that wants to be with his kids too, though not as much as the women. I want to be a stay at home dad, but it's impossible.
I recognize how businesses work, and the first poster in this thread lives in that reality. The only way to fix the problem is to fix the law, and give equal protection to mothers. In that way, all businesses play on the same level. Parenthood itself needs to be protected.
There's bias for everyone. S few years ago when I was a teenager it was harder for me to get a job then it was for my female peers. Guys aren't considered as responsible at that age.
Just another example of work-force idealism reinforcing traditional parental roles. I'm not surprised at all. When you spend your time (which as a mother is already spread very thin) trying to find equity in a system that wants you to stay at home - you'd probably have an easier time bashing your head against the wall in hopes that cash will spring forth.
Don't let your life and your mood be ruled by statistics. "More likely," "probably," "actively discriminate," are all just words. The world doesn't have to be this way for you, dear reader. Don't let anyone grind you down, bastards or otherwise.
I don't agree with the discrimination which despite the obviously floored study, I can see why it might be seen that parents do not focus on work as much as singles of about equal maturity.
Bit it's not just that will there is not a study that I know of but I know of bosses that have told me they don't want to employ young married women because they might take maternal leave.
And an amusing side note when making my C.V. I was encouraged to include information that would show that I am not crippled because employers can't ask that but might want to discriminate against them
palacemuse said:
That's the whole freaking point of collecting and analyzing data, to eliminate the bias that results from limited individual experiences of the world. Do you end all of your arguments with, "It's just common sense?"
What a frightening sentence, "to eliminate the bias that results from limited individual experiences of the world." Is that the kind of brave new world we should build? One where I'm not allowed to act based on MY experiences of the world?
Am I to turn over all my decision-making to... who? A University? A government entity? A church? Certainly THEY'VE never been known to lie or cheat or introduce THEIR own biases into the results they publish.
No, I don't end every argument with "it's just common sense." But I hope you understand that in MY city, in THIS year, under CURRENT conditions in MY marketplace, *I* should be the one who makes decisions about what makes sense for MY business and what doesn't.
I'm not coming down on all parents, I've worked with plenty of good ones. And I've worked with plenty of jerk-off singles that I had to get rid of for reasons that obviously had nothing to do with kids. I feel sorry for people like Laurel Anne above and others like her who are excellent empoyees but are "guilty by association" and who have to go so far as to lie on their resumes about their status.
But when you own your own business and your very survival (and perhaps that of your employees) is dependent on maintaining it's health, believe me, you'll be relying on YOUR own instincts in your practices, too.
Well, here's an important tidbit for your wholly subjective, childless employees are easer to exploit (for the good of the company of course), commitments outside of work are "trouble" perspective: the most important asset of any small business is the goodwill of its customers, and I wouldn't hire your selfish retrograde ass if you owned the last camera on earth.
Maybe linking your professional website to your porn site profile isn't such a good idea after all.
schadenfreude said:
There is nothing wrong with making your family your #1 priority; in fact, if you're going to have one, that's the way it should be.
However...
when you look your employer in the eye and say that, is he or she supposed to have confidence in your commitment to your job and your duties?
I know Bitch_PhD was attempting to be witty with the thread title here, but you know what? Parenting is about sacrifies. You simply cannot have it all. You can't be everything to everybody. If you give it all to your job, your kids suffer, and vice versa. It's reality, and anyone who says otherwise is deluding themselves.
1. Its a fucking job. Not to be confused with a life and any employer who expects you not to have said life can and should fuck right off. Anyone with any sense and self respect should be able to look their employer in the eye and say just that.
2. This isn't about sacrifices, this is about people of equal and exceptional qualifications being denied opportunities and salary based on nothing more than bias. Getting ripped off is not a tradeoff for kids, which leads into...
3. You don't seem to have any, so perhaps you shouldn't explain parenting to people who do.
Good article, and I agree that it is ridiculous to penalize people for having a family.
That being said, this kind of thing kind of makes me glad that I have no interest in ever having kids. Of course I want to fight for the rights of those women who do have children and who should be getting equal pay and treatment at their jobs, I'm just kind of glad that this issue will, most likely, not apply directly to me.
Regardless of the "needs" of business, this whole thing speaks to a bigger problem, the encroachment of work onto what used to be a personal life. Many people fought long and hard to get rid of the 12 hour day. Now businesses are beginning to expect them again, and if you're not willing, of course your not a team player, or you aren't dedicated enough to your career . . .
Do I understand, correctly, that there is a wage penalty for female parents over and above the wage penalty for females in general (that still exists despite federal prohibitions)?
Incredible.
How hard is it to understand equal pay for equal work? I'm a childless business owner, and it's not hard for me to understand.
Employees (presumably who are not mothers- childless men, childless women, & fathers, ) do not trust the stated quality of the work on mothers' resumes enough to give them competitive compensation for that quality of work, hence risking having lower quality work instead.
I don't have any insight into this, though. I know that my understanding of mothers is imperfect, so how can I comment on their qualifications?
Calina
Costa Rica
July 2005
MAY 20, 2007 11:36 AM