More money going to the artists and less to middlemen is a good thing. The new NIN is one of the best ever -- a mix of both the sensitive and extreme sides of Trent. Love that guy -- saw NIN at the Hollywood Bowl a few years ago and it was one of the best live shows I've seen.
shapeshifter23 said:
So... who is it that's ripping off fans with the high concert ticket prices these days?... I remember seeing Led Zeppelin in 1970, for example, (already by that time a supergroup selling out stadiums) for about $5 or slightly more than the price of an LP back then. Nowadays, I can afford to buy a CD at $15-20 but can seldom afford to pay the $40 to $60 or higher that big name bands are charging (I mean, tickets for Iggy recently were $45, Prince is asking about $90 starting price... don't know how much NIN charges)...
Well I went to see Nine Inch Nails during the first half of the With Teeth tour, great seat for $70. The week before, my father went to see the Rolling Stones in a seat worth in excess of three hundred dollars. It's an inflated example, but for the size of the venues they play, NIN aren't exorbitant.
Cassiel said:
there's a great little blurb in the current RS (which you should all pick up for the awesome 40th anniversary interviews within) about how his record label didn't understand his kick-ass ARG marketing strategy with Year Zero, because fans started to share the purposefully leaked songs (the flash drives found @ venues) on P2P networks...this one German kid got busted by the RIAA and paid $670...one month later, the label contacted him, refunded his money, gave him concert tix AND a backstage pass to meet NIN once they understood the marketing ploy
as sad as it is, i kinda like there being a bunch of different versions of the same Halo. it's compulsive, now, collecting them all. i have 4 different Halo 9s, for fuck's sake. they're like pokemon.
besides, i like saying i've got 35 or so different NIN cds, because people expect maybe 10-12 if they aren't really into them and notice all of 'em. and i still have a lot more to get.
Paid 9.99 for mine up here in Canada. Same for Tool's last, 10,000 Days. Thought these guys were putting there money where the mouth was (not that they are not) in response to the whole stealing vs. price gouging debate. I guess it's just different economics. The funny thing is both these CD's came with so many extras that would make them more collectible than just downloading it off the net. It's not like you're buying a Simpson (pick you sister) album for 9.99 and getting 3 overplayed singles with a few shots of the singer. There's artwork and stories and all sorts of goodies and art in the NIN and Tool CD's.
Course when kids are getting charged 35 dollars for a 2 dollar CD and packaging (3 with transport?) I can see why they'd be looking to the net.
Re: last time I saw NIN live I think I paid 50 bucks CDN. Seats were average.
Well, Year Zero is awesome, pick it up if your not in Australia. If your in some country that is charging that much, go ahead and steal it, sounds like he's on board with that.
(Normally I'm all for the musicians and am the first to say, if you can't pay for it, it doesn't mean you should have it. But I'm also against corporate greed, and Trent isn't seeing any increase on the elevated price anyway.)
So... what... someone's twisting his arm to record for a division of the largest record company in the world? Which is a part of a $27 billion media conglomerate? What the hell did he expect? Sunshine and puppies?
Hurrah for Reznor... i guess. The fact that the record industry is ripping off both artists and fans/consumers has been long standing and well publicized. Reznor's tirade is another high profile person speaking out, yes. But he's not saying anything that's not already (or should already be) common knowledge.
That, plus I don't know anyone who would pay that much for a mere shell of a reflection of once great music.
I met TR in Chicago at an industry show (right before The Downward Spiral came out), and got to chat with him as both a worker and a fan. It came to the point where industry money was being talked about. He was pissed at the disparity of cost back then. He stopped the discussion once, abruptly, and said [paraphrased] "How muych fucking money do I need to live? Even live really comfortably? I've already GOT that. So, if that's the case, why are the people paying to hear my music being fucked every time they buy my disc?"
Then of course, he nearly went bankrupt...
However, Reznor is consistent, as a musician, and as a person. I respect the hell out of that...
He's only a year younger than my parents? That's crazy.
-TM
I saw some (probably cheesy) movie a few years ago that had a teacher talking to his students about music. I can't recall the subject exactly, but it ended with one of the students saying (paraphrase) "So you mean my kids are going to feel about NIN the way I feel about the Rolling Stones?" Your statement reminded me of that. Anyone else remeber that movie?
Chris_Gore
Los Angeles, CA
September 2005
MAY 16, 2007 10:30 PM