NEWS: Stoners are Psychotic

halfjack said:
ok. this is tired. if you smoke pot and you think it's not hurting you, you're an idiot. you probably were before you started smoking, but the pot ain't helping you. yes, it causes brain damage. yes, it's addicitng. you don't need medical science to back that one up if you're head isn't completely up your ass. and yes, alcohol and cigarettes are damaging to you to, and for those idiots that have posted that nobody posts research on the negative effects of those, SHUT UP. i've heard nothing but dribble about liver and cancer and meetings and second hand smoke since long before you decided that sublime is the greatest band of all time.

THEY'RE ALL BAD. GET OVER IT.

you wanna smoke pot? fine. but admit that it's addictive, admit it makes you depressed, boring, and stupid. and yes, admit that since it's obviously sticking a fork in your brain, it can certainly cause paranoia and psychoses.

we've all heard the jokes about how stoners don't get in car accidents or start fights. and we all know that that's also partially a load of crap. they do. a lot. because alcohol AND pot cause stupidity. yeah, drunkards start more fights. but stop trying to pretend like your shit don't stink. the whiskey will kill my liver while the pot kills your brain.

i'm so tired of you whiney fuckin stoners. it's self-righteous, self-delusional morons like you that made me want to stop smoking in the first place.

and let me just clarify, for those that weren't paying attention, and we know who you are, that this me ranting about people who smoke pot and think that it's harmless/good for you, and not people who smoke pot.

muller said:
You think the carpet pissers did this?

chimehouse said:

Please go read the actual report on the research, along with the clinical methodology before you start "explaining" things to people. If you think they used actual cannabis for this test, you are completely lost. If I'm wrong, then please send me a link to your info. I'd need to see where it says they used the same stuff they're warning the public about. Last I knew, no stoner was using POT INTERVENIOUSLY!

No one in either of those three clinical trials used cannabis in its natural form. Hell, they didn't even use it in naturally extracted form. They used isolates. The next time someone outside of a clinical environment experiences induced psychosis from a cannabinoid isolate, would you please call me? There'd be people I'd need to meet...

AlterEgo said:
Personally I believe liquor places people under the influence at a higher risk than smoking some bud. Realistically, how many people do you know that drive reckless while high?

Anyway, although I won't discount the possibility of ANY drug-induced psychoses, because they DO exist, (I personally experienced marijuana-related paranoia in 1979 and never experienced anything remotely similar without it)

Anybody who uses or studies cannabis seriously will not dispute that THC may trigger psychosis. All you ever need do to get an inkling of THC's potential to do so is remember back to the first time you ever "over-did it" with pot (particularily with an oral medication [ala "hash brownies", etc]). THC has a fantastic ability to ring the same cognitive centers of the brain that many psychosis are opperating in. What troubles me, though, about this study is that they keep saying that they tested "pot". They did nothing of the kind! They tested a THC isolate. That's NOT POT! (ask anyone who is forced to take dronabinol if it feels or acts like cannabis in any way, shape or form.) The subjects in that study would--in my opinion--show a TOTALLY DIFFERENT RESULT if they each smoked cannabis. NONE OF THE STUDIES DID THIS. So the study is completely invalid from the get-go. They even say that CBD modifies THC!! SO WHY NOT FUCKING TEST THEM TOGETHER???? I mean, good Krist, how much of a rocket scientist do you have to be to figure out that they're testing one thing, then extrapolating the results far beyond the scope of the data with nothing but fallacious inference?

Has no one ever heard of a syllogism before?

Last I checked, Socrates is still mortal (that's a syllogistic joke, for all you wacky philo types...)

jkwilborn said:
Since pot is considered as a drug with no use, how did they come about getting any anyway? The government won't let ANYONE test it since it a "drug with no know use" how did they get them to do this which is illegal? I think it's a pile of shit, one because the only reason they would be paranoid is that they may get arrested! I think thats enough of a reason to be paranoid. It's been used everywhere around the world for difference medical resaons. I used it in California, under doctor approval, and found that it worked better than the mixture of Oxycotone and Avenza (which is a synthitic morphine) Yet I had to go underground to buy it! This is come idiot that wants to ensure that it is never really evaluated! Blow them off!
Jack

chimehouse said:
Anyways, I apreciate where you're coming from, SP. I'm just trying to get people to see that, for many of us--pro or nopro--this is terrible science...

SocietysPliers said:
is easier to obtain permission to study it than, say LSD-25 or heroin.

chimehouse suggested that the test was done with a cannabinoid isolate (avoiding an amateur attempt at teaching chemistry, the suffix "oid" means 'like' or "resembling" rather than the actual components of marijuana

but according to the article, they used THC and CBD (cannabidiol), both actual components of the plant.

electrogreen said:
bullshit. What were the THC levels? The medical stuff the government gives out is a mix of leaves and stems, they dont use the bud. So with the test results they have I would say they didn't use the stuff they give to the sick folks.

You know this was probably like the Heath/Tulane study in 1974. They used monkeys for their tests. They gave the monkeys 63 columbian-strength joints through a sealed mask in five minutes. The equivalent of 30 joints a day. They started to die within 90 days. They cut them open and found dead brain cells. They said it was from the pot. They were being suffocated. Three to five minutes with no oxygen can cause brain damage...dead brain cells. They do these half assed tests and only tell you what they want you to think. Pot does not cause brain damage, you can say I am wrong but you are full of shit yourself.

It seems like most people are stuck on the medical side of it all. Then go on about people wanting to smoke it all the time. What about Biomass fuels, paper, rope, textiles and fabric, canvas, paints and such, food oils...and a lot of other shit that would clean up the world and save the trees and such? And what about the medical uses for asthma, tumors, glaucoma, nausea relief, epilepsy, back pain, muscle spasms, arthritis, headaches and who knows how many others? But Dupont and all the pharmaceutical companies give a lot more cash to the government than a bunch of farmers. When we run out of our fossil fuels...the kind we are at war over...there will be the panic and riots and such but then maybe they will turn to what we used in the past. Maybe.

Bastardo said:

Welllllllllllllll, I've never seen him make an intelligent post, and I'm sure it's never happened either.

chimehouse said:
No one thought to test them together, like you get when you actually use cannabis?

Who the hell gets straight THC???

chimehouse said:

Absolutely and utterly wrong, my friend. Respectfully, you need to go read up at MAPS.ORG...

SocietysPliers said:
Any idea, then how they get permission? Just curious.

NinjaTech said:
I especially enjoy the irony of Subrosa's tongue in cheek comment about "self-righteous annoyance" and then some of you people go out of the way to completely prove that comment right. Whatever.

This might be my "paranoia" bubbling forth, but with the grip that the super industry of pharmaceuticals has around the United States financially, what are the chances that pot would be completely legalized? I mean honestly how much money would this industry lose? We can only speculate, but I would assume it would be in the billions. Also consider that if the United States dropped probation against marijuana how many other first through third world nations would follow suit thus increasing potential losses exponentially?

I mean do you honestly feel an "open dialogue" is going to change anything? Now that is a pretty fucking romanticized (read:hippy). After how long... they now have evidence that pot increases paranoia in schizophrenics? Thats it? Mentally damaged people become more mentally damaged under the influence of drugs. Mind blowing. In direct contrast how many people are going to die do to alcohol tonight?

halfjack said:
ok. this is tired. if you smoke pot and you think it's not hurting you, you're an idiot. you probably were before you started smoking, but the pot ain't helping you. yes, it causes brain damage. yes, it's addicitng. you don't need medical science to back that one up if you're head isn't completely up your ass. and yes, alcohol and cigarettes are damaging to you to, and for those idiots that have posted that nobody posts research on the negative effects of those, SHUT UP. i've heard nothing but dribble about liver and cancer and meetings and second hand smoke since long before you decided that sublime is the greatest band of all time.

THEY'RE ALL BAD. GET OVER IT.

you wanna smoke pot? fine. but admit that it's addictive, admit it makes you depressed, boring, and stupid. and yes, admit that since it's obviously sticking a fork in your brain, it can certainly cause paranoia and psychoses.

we've all heard the jokes about how stoners don't get in car accidents or start fights. and we all know that that's also partially a load of crap. they do. a lot. because alcohol AND pot cause stupidity. yeah, drunkards start more fights. but stop trying to pretend like your shit don't stink. the whiskey will kill my liver while the pot kills your brain.

i'm so tired of you whiney fuckin stoners. it's self-righteous, self-delusional morons like you that made me want to stop smoking in the first place.

and let me just clarify, for those that weren't paying attention, and we know who you are, that this me ranting about people who smoke pot and think that it's harmless/good for you, and not people who smoke pot.

egocarib said:
what a load of b.s.

as usual.

The 1.1% schizophrenic figure is vastly inflated, mostly because the diagnostic statistical manual for mental illnesses is a joke. It takes practically nothing to fall into the category of a number of mental illnesses, and any of us could be diagnosed with a laundry list of them if a 'health professional' would care to try. The NIMH helps to spearhead this mass delusion.

For years the powers that be have been trying to scrape up the tiniest bit of evidence they can find to substantiate the legal status of marijuana, while simultaneously ignoring the effects of legal drugs, like alcohol and cigarettes, not to mention pharmacueticals which are a whole other sack of nails. st_even is correct, some of the things prescribed to people these days, especially schizophrenics and others who are percieved as having 'major' mental illnesses are quite disturbing.

and thank you for that, chimehouse

st_even said:
Yeah, hippies suck! Know who else sucks? Jews!

Margot_Dent said:

yes. hating hippies is the same as hating jews. totally.