vegans/vegetarians?

veggie/vegan food rules! alot of pre-fab and homecooked vegan vittles make me smile...on the other hand i also indulge in meat too...i just try to make a happy medium with it all..and plus i love food so. To all you veggie/vegans out there i have tons of respect..it's not easy (was veggie for a year..vegan for 6 mos) and takes alot of will-power. \m/

also..alot of veggie/vegans complain about people being freakish around them..i've always felt on the other side of that. Being called a "murderer" or asking how someone's "dead rotting animal carcass" is acting pretty freakish, and can result in people retaliating back...not all people do this, but i must say from my experiences alot do..leave your personal choices to yourself .......just my opinion....you make your own

Humans evolved as top-rank omnivores and occasional scavengers, to fill an ecological niche similar to that of bears. Current archeological evidence indicates that the advent of meat-eating by hominids was directly correlated with the rapid tripling of hominid brain size, because meat provides far more protein and energy per kilo than plant matter. This allowed hominids to develop a brain that, in humans, consumes 20%-25% of their resting energy expenditure. In evolutionary terms, that's an enormous daily price to pay, and without a diet rich in meat, it could not be paid. It should also be noted that there is some indication that during this period humans also developed cooking, but the earliest unequivocal evidence is only 50,000 yrs old.

Care to post the URL of the website you cut n pasted that from so i can read the rest of it please?

Is this kind of bullshit ad hominem your typical mode of debate on this subject? My information comes from the Dec '02 issue of Scientific American, which has a cover story on the evolution of the human diet, including studies of the diets of traditional peoples. What will shock you the most is that traditional hunter-gatherers average 40%-60% of their calories from animal products, with some traditional cultures getting as much as 96% of their calories from animal products.

Hey, lighten up man, i was asking you a serious question. Ok, i could've reworded my post to ask you where your source of information came from. I've been a vegetarian for over 18 years and was seriously interested in where you got those figures from. Nevermind, forget it.

(changed my mind.)

[Edited on Mar 04, 2003 by Skryche]

The health problems allegedly associated with meat eating are in fact problems of overabundance, which vegetarianism most certainly does not solve. Traditional hunter-gatherers averge 40%-60% of their calories from meat and animal products (as opposed to 23% for Americans), and they do not have those problems. Meat isn't the issue.

Most Hollywood celebrities are overpaid, vacous buffoons, and even the Flat Earth Society claims to have evidence from 'respected scientists' to back its position. Argument to authority will cut no ice.

Ok, I apologize for snapping at you. Most of the places I hang out on-line and off, what you said would be considered a sarcastic attack on my ethics and credibility, and that is the way I took it. I should have put the cite in the original article.

Apology accepted If i was being sarcastic, would i have said 'please' at the end?

No meat here for about 9 years. I eat dairy and eggs and I do eat salmon and halibut maybe once or twice a year when my fisherman dad comes to visit me and my uncle bbqs it.


Hey MisterSatan everyone knows that vegetarians taste better. How much more convincing do you need?

When I was a baby, I had to shit my pants because I hadn't learned how to shit in my bosses trash can yet. Thankfully, now that I've put in my time as a pants shiter, I can use my advanced agricultural stylings to feed all of my fellow man/women with wonderful Soy. I'll never forget the pleasure of shitting my pants, but I'll never do it again.

I do believe that I read that article, an interesting read. BTW, why would you be worried about your cred if you were simply quoting an SA article? And why would you site "current" archeological evidence and then turn around and state:

even the Flat Earth Society claims to have evidence from 'respected scientists' to back its position. Argument to authority will cut no ice.

when someone else sites Scientific evidence? I ask this because you have confused me, as my brain has shrunk from lack of animal flesh...


(I can smell your brain)

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

What I objected to was the implied accusation that I had simply cut and pasted instead of writing my own summary. My real mistake was failing to correctly attribute my source in the initial post.

The article shreds the two most dearly held vegetarian myths: 1) that the eating of meat is inherently unhealthy and 2) Americans derive an anomalously high percentage of their calories from animal products. Both are clearly false.

I was mocking the use of argument to authority, especially the implication that Hollywood celebs are a good source for anything other than silly platitudes.

A bit of anecdotal evidence: A cousin of mine, 22, recently quit being a vegetarian after more than a decade. He has grown a full inch since he started eating meat again. I had no idea that was even possible... I thought the machinery to grow taller was permenantly shut off around around 18.

I'm a vegetarian, have been for seven years. Though I would like to go vegan some time in the near future.

I'm not bothered if someone is vegan or vegetarian, I just think they are a bit odd and it's all rather pointless.

But then again, I couldn't give a shit about animals so I'm more than happy to devour them.

There are documented medical & dietary benefits to vegan/vegetarianism. While it may not be your personal choice...it's clearly not "pointless".

There is no correlation between being omnivorous & having compassion for animals. Not everybody who has compassion for animals throws blood on fur coats & cries over a roadkill chipmunk. Some people actually think it's a good idea to avoid unnecessary cruelty to them.