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BlastProcessing

BlastProcessing

USA
OLD SKOOL

APR 13, 2007 09:12 PM

Bitch_PhD said:
No. The video store owner who stocks the videos, maybe. But the man who creates them is as morally culpable as the person who makes bogus fad diet foods.



Iunno. For that to be parallel, it seems like the diet foods would have to be made out of fat people.

Priest_

Priest_

USA
January 2007

APR 14, 2007 09:43 AM

Bitch_PhD said:

thefreak said:
Responsibility for your actions works for both sides, people.
-TM



Who are the girls damaging? Themselves.

Who is Joe Francis damaging? The girls.

The fact that people can respond to Francis's assholery by trying to argue about the culpability of the women he's taking advantage of pretty much shows that it ain't an even playing field. If y'all think that a man who hurts women is no worse than a woman who hurts *herself*, then it seems to me y'all have a real difficult time with the concept that a woman is a human being.



In theory you could very easily say that Joe Francis actually hurts himself by doing what he does. I mean, look here at all the people who think he's slime. Look at all the people who think the women who end up on GGW are whores. They both get a bad reputation from doing what they're doing. Joe just isn't waving his cock around.

Of course, he also gets tons of money. Maybe that makes him feel better about it. It would for me. But money isn't everything, right?

Priest_

Priest_

USA
January 2007

APR 14, 2007 09:52 AM

Pretty much all the arguments I've seen on here so far about why Joe Francis is a horrible guy are based around the idea that the women who get taken advantage of have no culpability.

To me, that's just the way this country is going. Did something stupid? It's not your fault, it's the person who let it happened's fault.

Got coffee from McDonalds and spilled it on your old hairy tits? Well obviously the burns that ensued weren't YOUR fault for DRIVING while trying to drink a LAVA-LIKE substance. Obviously it's the fault of the company who made the LAVA-LIKE substance and then didn't warn you it was hot... something you should have been able to figure out by touching the goddamned cup.

Don't blame yourself for being dumb, or anything else you do. Obivously it's someone ELSE'S fault. They sold the coffee, THEY offered the booze, THEY created the environment, I mean really, you were helpless. How can you resist free booze? How can you stop yourself from going to a bar where you know they're going to tape you? How can you possibly keep your top on when they say, "will you show us your titties?!" I mean, no one can possibly stand up to peer pressure like that.

But it's okay. It's not your fault. It's those bad MEN who did it, just sue them, it's your right to be stupid and sue because of it later.

Zarth

zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

APR 14, 2007 10:02 AM

You're not so good at listening, are you? No-one has exempted anyone from responsibility except for those arguing that Francis doesn't have to be held accountable for being a coercive prick.

apesamongus

apesamongus

Atlanta, GA
July 2002

APR 14, 2007 10:10 AM

Zarth said:
You're not so good at listening, are you? No-one has exempted anyone from responsibility except for those arguing that Francis doesn't have to be held accountable for being a coercive prick.


And again I repeat, what form of coercion does he use?

Zarth

zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

APR 14, 2007 10:20 AM

You're kidding me, right? Google him. If you don't come away with the idea that he's a predator from that, nothing I could say would make to you, anyway.

apesamongus

apesamongus

Atlanta, GA
July 2002

APR 14, 2007 10:25 AM

Zarth said:
You're kidding me, right? Google him. If you don't come away with the idea that he's a predator from that, nothing I could say would make to you, anyway.


And again I repeat, what form of coercion does he use?

Zarth

zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

APR 14, 2007 10:26 AM

apesamongus said:

Zarth said:
You're kidding me, right? Google him. If you don't come away with the idea that he's a predator from that, nothing I could say would make to you, anyway.


And again I repeat, what form of coercion does he use?


You're kidding me, right? Google him. If you don't come away with the idea that he's a predator from that, nothing I could say would make to you, anyway.

SexyBeast

SexyBeast

Covington, LA
July 2004

APR 14, 2007 01:36 PM

apesamongus said:

Zarth said:
You're kidding me, right? Google him. If you don't come away with the idea that he's a predator from that, nothing I could say would make to you, anyway.


And again I repeat, what form of coercion does he use?



Words. He says "Hey, can I see your tits?" That Joe guy is really tricky.

Zarth

zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

APR 14, 2007 01:50 PM

So, based on his record, you guys really believe that he's never bullied or manipulated anyone, or taken unfair advantage of someone's credulity or poor judgment?

Or is just that it's always the fool's fault alone for being a fool, and whoever takes advantage of that has done nothing wrong? Is that seriously what you believe?

And you wonder why you get called scum.

Priest_

Priest_

USA
January 2007

APR 16, 2007 01:49 AM

Zarth said:
So, based on his record, you guys really believe that he's never bullied or manipulated anyone, or taken unfair advantage of someone's credulity or poor judgment?

Or is just that it's always the fool's fault alone for being a fool, and whoever takes advantage of that has done nothing wrong? Is that seriously what you believe?

And you wonder why you get called scum.



Well, I personally don't get called scum all that often but yeah, I tend to think it's the fool's fault for being a fool. I mean, it's not very nice of the other guy, but yeah. The person was still a fool.


If he was taking advantage of retarded girls or something, ones that had some sort of mental handicap that prevented them from being able to think out the long term effects of the choice, then I'd say he's an ass. But these are mostly college age girls. They're theoretically capable of independent thought and reasoning. If they're foolish... well... no one makes it through life without any regrets.

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