NEWS: Tom Cruise and Xenu to Detox 9/11 Workers

CELEB: Tom Cruise and Xenu to Detox 9/11 Workers

What's up with celebrities and 9/11 this week? On the one hand, we have Rosie O'Donnell claiming that 9/11 was the first time that fire has ever melted steel. Now, we've got uber-nut Tom Cruise hosting a gala to promote his Scientology-based detox program for workers at the WTC site who are suffering from poor health.

The controversial program, which consists of high doses of niacin, sitting in a steam room, and taking frequent showers has been understandably adopted by many desperate and sick workers, but has been roundly denounced in the medical community as quackery. Ironically, since the program's most ardent spokesman has been Mr. Cruise, one of the benefits that this program claims is an increase in IQ.



I suppose that a joke about that would just be glib, right Tom?



Here's Tommy, railing against junk science:

That man is just a fount of crazy.

OH FUCK, NARCANON??? They're giving city money for this?????

I do so adore crazy celebrities.

Go Tom Go! Bring on the crazy.
Dont forget Bill O'Reilly goin ape shit with GerrrrrrrRRaldo.

It really frightens me whenever I find myself agreeing with Tom Cruise, but I've seen numerous studies that seem to conclude that diet and excercise are considerably more effective in stabalizing mild emotional disorders than prescription drugs. My own experience supports that as well (this is of course entirely subjective, but includes many years with a diagnosed bipolar partner).

It's annoying to watch Lauer being so polite, not once asking Cruise to back up his claims of expertise or to cite any of the reading he claims to have done about psychiatry. Although I'm only a layman, not an expert like Cruise, I too have doubts about the wisdom of prescribing as many drugs as we seem to, especially for young kids, but allowing Scientologists to participate in public discussion about it muddies the waters.

Seriously, it's almost as bad as allowing catholics or women to publicly discuss it.

Rosie O'Donnell is an idiot. I am constantly amazed by the moronic bullshit that come out of her mouth.

And scientolgy is nothing but a scam, a bunch of made up trash that is used to get people's money and control them.

Your bringing up Catholics and women in the same sentence is amusing, considering that the Catholic church doesn't allow women to hold any real position of authourity - they can't even be priests, let alone cardinals - but I guess that's beside the point.

Over-religious people - and catholic organisations are probably the third-guiltiest of this, after Scientologists and Evangelicals - love to feel like they're being persecuted, so they often respond to criticism or hostility to their faith by equating it with racism or sexism. It is NOT the same thing. Religion is a voluntary state; one chooses to follow rigid dogma, medieval superstition or bad science-fiction; one is not born with it in the same way one is born with race or gender. That makes them fair game for ridicule or casual dismissal. My earlier remark about how they make it difficult to debate rationally the merits of something like psychiatry is underscored by Cruise himself and the gibberish that comes out of him on the subject.

offtopic: it's been my experience AS a diagnosed bipolar that when you are a slave to your mood swings and the only conscious action you are able to perform during an anxiety attack is to curl into a tighter fetal position, medication is a boon. it's also been my experience that the combination of therapy and meds together are the best approach, and having been off meds since the new year, i've learned to recognize symptoms and delusions before they take control, so it's a matter of monitoring them, but if i hadn't learned what "normal" felt like, i'd have no frame of reference and would still be out of control.

on to tom cruise: while it seems a valiant attempt on his part, it has (to me) always been shown that these actions by religious groups, while under the guise of philanthropy, usually are based on some attempt to garner converts or somehow impose their views on others. i guarantee xenu or any other crackpot ideas will not be mentioned, but learning about scientology's "misunderstood ideas" as they will no doubt refer to them, will be encouraged throughout the event.

Ok, Ok....I agree. It's just frustrating when people argue without actually looking at what is presented on the other side of the fence. There's so much compelling evidence to suggest an inside job...but yeah, this IS like a soft-core porn site..and we're commenting on the blog. We should really get out more.

Mocking Tom Cruise > Discussing 9-11 theories.

Seriously, that wasn't my attention here.

What this guy's doing is just beyond the pale. It's just plain unethical.

People are correct. You can't change anyones opinion if they aren't there. But to me personally the forum's or groups on here are more of a round table discussion than a chance to change opinion of the person or people above you.

Tom Cruise is now what he is. He feels that he can do the world some good by sponsoring this crusade to help those he thinks that are in need. I'm not condoning what he does or says as gospel, because like those above me have said, he's just selling snake oil, but he is doing what he feels is right. As bean said "no one" can change the out come of 9/11 but we can all help along the way. And as for Rosie O, you can't fix stupid. She gets paid for her opinion. Right or wrong.

*As a side note I work for a demolition company. Needless to say after it happened a couple of our operators and front end loaders went down to help clean up the mess. When our operators came back they had stories. One of the stories was how when the operator reached in with the machine to grab an I beam of steel he said it pulled off like taffy because it was so hot.*

By the way Rosie...How do you think welding torches work?

And the world goes on.

forget cruise and forget the ad hominems on rosie, too...and forget censorship. this can be a place where people have interesting discourse, if permitted. facts matter. science, too.

so, any reason previous comments have been censored here re: 9/11 links? the one given was a red herring. some one asked about more scientific research...i posted links. now they are gone. here they are again, minus extended annotation. the environmental disaster at ground zero is as real as cruise is crazy. how's that? i still slammed tom. this is an important issue and someone asked about facts and alternative arguments to official theories...here they are.

to see a conference on all the aforementioned

http://liftingthefog.org/

on environment...

http://wtceo.org/

on the rest, and physicist steven jones agreed to go on "the view" to discuss his research. controversial, but interesting the more you follow the arguments.

http://www.stj911.org/

http://911research.wtc7.net/

http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2006/911-Myth-Reality-Griffin30mar06.htm

do what you will and carry on slamming tom.

Ummm...you're not new here. You know there are about 200 threads where people are debating 9-11 theories. This isn't one of them. We're talking here about Scientologists trying to cure very real medical conditions with niacin and saunas. The only reason I linked the Rosie story was because of her remarkably retarded belief that fire can't melt steel. No other reason...and I'm really sorry I did, because there is plenty places where you can discuss PM and 9-11. It's not appropriate here, and that's probably why it was removed.

cult ed.

no, i'm not new here. but the headline says dtox 9/11 workers. the wtceo.net covers the toxicity at ground zero better than most sites and is informative and relavant to the piece overall...a fine counter to the way cruise is behaving i'd say. you mentioned rosie. she was going off on 9/11 issues, so that's what the thread was about. if you want a thread on the stupidity of scientology, limit your scope. but since cruise is addressing trouble with wtc fallout, it will open that discussion further as well.

so...as for the other 9/11 issues, that's where the thread was going, so i added my two cents. i see your reasoning, so be it.

as for rosie, yes, she said some things in haste and she is not an expert. the key term missing is "carbon" based fire (jet feul- kerosene) can't melt steel. that's simple science, not a belief. check the links i mentioned. or not. even nist has backed away from their theories and won't make any further public statements about it.

anyway, thanks for clarifying. sorry for the confusion. i appreciate your time.

Wait, doesn't this apply to all threads?

But on a serious note, I see you are from the L.A. area. You are probably familiar with the Sea Org compound (the ugly ass blue building in Hollywood). Back in the 90s, I worked for an insurance brokerage called "Survival Insurance." It is owned and operated by Scientologists. In fact, you weren't eligible to become manager (I worked in customer service) unless you took some courses at "The Org."

Since the conspiracy theory links are allowed to stay above, I suppose this one should be as well:

Conspiracy Debunking

OK, you should totally know this place then. It is (or was in '92) on Fountain Avenue. It was a weird dullish sky blue. I moved to Orange County right after that job and only came back up through that area to visit friends and see bands.

I'm trying to remember other names it has. I just know that the weirdos at Survival called it "Sea Org" and I assume that was because it was blue. Oh, and they had buses that would take the unsuspecting tourists who just got finished taking either a "personality test" or a "stress test."