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wienus

wienus

San Antonio, TX
March 2005

MAR 28, 2007 06:48 PM

whats going to happen is everyones going to be so scared from the populatiry of the idea that the world is going to end that theres going to be a boom in people "following their heart" no matter the consequences, ignoring the facts, polar bears die out and then us. bam! the world's conclusion in one horribly grammaticized run on sentence.
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katasune

katasune

Salt Lake City, UT
September 2006

MAR 28, 2007 06:53 PM


Why the sudden high-art obsession with end times?



Funny, isn't it? Back in the 50s, they all dreamed of a future full of rocket ships, flying cars and ray guns, because there was hope. Technology was surging, the economy was rising, there was a suppression of all the major social issues, and people were just generally optimistic.

But it's hard, verging on impossible, to ignore all that nowadays.

I think we've hit something like the apex of our existence. We're in the middle of a war, technological advancement seems to be spinning its wheels these days (its growth mainly stunted by corporate greed and bureaucracy), there's an economic uncertainty looming about, everyone in a position of power reeks of corruption, the tension generated by our social issues is suffocating... Everything's in a state of disarray.

I don't think a lot of people see a very pleasant and promising future ahead of us, so it's an expression of that kind of dystopian mindset. At this point, a bleak and ravaged future seems more likely than one filled with rays of sunshine and hope.

coleen

coleen

USA
January 2007

MAR 28, 2007 06:54 PM

The book sounds really good and interesting. I read a couple of her book club books. White Oleander was great, and yes I read A Million Little Pieces. I liked it regardless of all the controversy.

I can't stop laughing at the picture of Oprah they chose for this article, ha.

geo35

geo35

Minneapolis, MN
January 2003

MAR 28, 2007 08:20 PM

b_radius said:


Why the sudden high-art obsession with end times?



I think we've hit something like the apex of our existence.



Yeah. You getting that feeling, too?

adjunct

adjunct

Philadelphia, PA
July 2002

MAR 28, 2007 08:20 PM

TheFuckOffKid said:

adjunct said:
Third unrelated comment:

What does it mean that the dream life of the richest, most scientifically advanced nation in history is troubled by nightmares of the end?


This sort of sentiment was common a little less than a century ago.



I seem to recall more than a few apocalyptic movies appearing just a few years ago (as in, late 1990s, approaching the new century).


I sort of lump them all in the same, er, gestalt, I guess. I was really thinking of the end of the European avant garde in WWI up through maybe FDR's "only thing we have to fear is fear itself,"-- incredible pessimism in the face of financial growth and political successes and so on.

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

MAR 28, 2007 08:30 PM

adjunct said:

TheFuckOffKid said:

adjunct said:
Third unrelated comment:

What does it mean that the dream life of the richest, most scientifically advanced nation in history is troubled by nightmares of the end?


This sort of sentiment was common a little less than a century ago.



I seem to recall more than a few apocalyptic movies appearing just a few years ago (as in, late 1990s, approaching the new century).


I sort of lump them all in the same, er, gestalt, I guess. I was really thinking of the end of the European avant garde in WWI up through maybe FDR's "only thing we have to fear is fear itself,"-- incredible pessimism in the face of financial growth and political successes and so on.



Yeah, I was making slightly more facile references, but end of the millenium psychosis stuff:

"End of Days", "Deep Impact", that kind of guff.

adjunct

adjunct

Philadelphia, PA
July 2002

MAR 28, 2007 08:31 PM

TheFuckOffKid said:

adjunct said:

TheFuckOffKid said:

adjunct said:
Third unrelated comment:

What does it mean that the dream life of the richest, most scientifically advanced nation in history is troubled by nightmares of the end?


This sort of sentiment was common a little less than a century ago.



I seem to recall more than a few apocalyptic movies appearing just a few years ago (as in, late 1990s, approaching the new century).


I sort of lump them all in the same, er, gestalt, I guess. I was really thinking of the end of the European avant garde in WWI up through maybe FDR's "only thing we have to fear is fear itself,"-- incredible pessimism in the face of financial growth and political successes and so on.



Yeah, I was making slightly more facile references, but end of the millenium psychosis stuff:

"End of Days", "Deep Impact", that kind of guff.


I turn my nose up at you.

Armageddon was clearly better.

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

MAR 28, 2007 10:00 PM

adjunct said:
I turn my nose up at you.

Armageddon was clearly better.


Oh dear God, it really is the end of days ....

turin

turin

Denver, CO
October 2003

MAR 28, 2007 11:14 PM

oh, look! I seem to have written a huge, off-topic ramble. that's awesome, right?

b_radius said:


Why the sudden high-art obsession with end times?



Funny, isn't it? Back in the 50s, they all dreamed of a future full of rocket ships, flying cars and ray guns, because there was hope. Technology was surging, the economy was rising, there was a suppression of all the major social issues, and people were just generally optimistic.

But it's hard, verging on impossible, to ignore all that nowadays.


SPOILERS! (Click to view)

people in the 50's lived with the constant knowledge that there was a chance they'd be wiped out in a nuclear war at any second. they were at least as afraid of the soviets as people today are of terrorists, and with far better reason. josef stalin was replaced by nikita "we will bury you" khrushchev, and a huge nuclear arsenal was aimed to turn the western hemisphere into a radioactive wasteland at the push of a button.

americans weren't just terrified of the soviets, they were scared of each other, too-- the politicians of the 50's used fear and patriotism the same way they do today, and mccarthyism made the patriot act look like a fucking parking ticket.

the civil rights movement hadn't accomplished all that much yet, but racism and protests were starting to get bloody. rock music was getting big with the kids, so people thought popular culture was going straight to hell, too.

throw in the korean war, and the 50's were a time of paranoia, justified fear of global annihilation, major civil and cultural unrest, and bloody international conflict.





I think we've hit something like the apex of our existence. We're in the middle of a war, technological advancement seems to be spinning its wheels these days (its growth mainly stunted by corporate greed and bureaucracy), there's an economic uncertainty looming about, everyone in a position of power reeks of corruption, the tension generated by our social issues is suffocating... Everything's in a state of disarray.


SPOILERS! (Click to view)

we're in the middle of a very minor war, historically speaking. the whole world isn't at each other's throats, and rather than huge forces being dedicated to major power shifts, we've got one already-powerful country that took out a fairly insignificant dictator, and is now having trouble with the ultra-modern practice of leaving something besides flaming wreckage behind. sure, the US fucked up an unjustified invasion-- but on a historical scale? so far, this whole mess barely registers.

technological advancement and scientific knowledge are increasing faster and with more concern for global human good than at any other point in history, so I don't know why you'd say we're spinning our wheels.

everyone in power has always been greedy and corrupt; that's why humanity's short history is crammed wall to wall with bloody revolutions. there have been occasional exceptions, but we read about them in the history books because they are weird and important.

on a historical scale, we live in a time of global peace, prosperity, health, foresight, and humanitarian concern pretty much never before seen. the way people in a rich, secure country on the other side of the earth worry and try to do something about AIDS in africa, or floods in bangladesh, or injustice in tibet, or poverty in india is unheard-of. the way we get outraged at the raw deal the iraqi people have gotten at our own hands is a brand new invention.

we've got big problems, sure-- climate change is gonna shake things up, if nothing else. there might be some serious energy wars in our future (but we're working on it before it's become a crisis), and the US is probably at the peak of its power and wealth (100 years ago, the british were the shit to beat... so it goes). there's a lot of economic injustice, but the remarkable thing about the world right now isn't that there's more injustice than ever, it's that people notice and are at least talking about trying to fix it.

but there's nothing in the near future that is any danger of wiping out modern culture, much less ending the human race. there's always been war, there's always been economic uncertainty, there have always been social issues, and all of these things have usually been a lot worse. compare our little skirmish to WW2, or the norman conquest, or atilla burning down an entire continent. compare rush limbaugh getting fired from monday night football to thousands of years of slavery. sure, minorities get a raw deal today, but it's still better than ever before.



I don't think a lot of people see a very pleasant and promising future ahead of us, so it's an expression of that kind of dystopian mindset. At this point, a bleak and ravaged future seems more likely than one filled with rays of sunshine and hope.



I don't think your attitude is unusual, but it seems to be based on a lot of false premises. I don't know if people are really more pessimistic than ever, because the past 27 years are all I've ever seen, and I wasn't paying attention for most of them. I don't know if it's a global phenomenon, or a local one, and I don't know if it's in the back of everyone's mind or just a pop culture fad like the rash of post-apocalyptic movies in the late 70's and early 80's. but it is something to consider!

Flux

Flux

SUICIDEGIRL

Georgia, USA

MAR 29, 2007 06:38 AM

turin said:
I don't know if it's a global phenomenon, or a local one, and I don't know if it's in the back of everyone's mind or just a pop culture fad like the rash of post-apocalyptic movies in the late 70's and early 80's. but it is something to consider!



One of the greatest influences on Western culture is its Christianity, and Christianity has been from its advent a faith of apocalypse. As much as we've moved away from it as a culture, we are still infused with its eschatology. The end times aren't a new obsession or even a modern obsession. Dawn of the Dead and The Road are variations on a theme that's been around since John of Patmos and St. Malachy.

hellointernet

hellointernet

Saint Petersburg, FL
March 2007

MAR 29, 2007 06:49 AM

eeek wait a minute.

have i been living beneath a rock for the past six months?

how did i manage to remain oblivious to the fact that cormac 'blood meridian' mccarthy has released a new novel?

if i raid my change hopper, i think can buy it today, otherwise i have to wait until i get paid tomorrow

...

James

James

SUICIDEGIRL

USA

MAR 29, 2007 09:14 AM

Say what you will about Oprah, but after my experience I really think she is quite cool. This choice proves to me she is a tad more down to earth maybe then we might think. I am all about positivity but you cant fully recognize it without first recognizing negativity as well..."the greatest lovers were murderers first"...

turin

turin

Denver, CO
October 2003

MAR 29, 2007 04:24 PM

Flux said:

turin said:
I don't know if it's a global phenomenon, or a local one, and I don't know if it's in the back of everyone's mind or just a pop culture fad like the rash of post-apocalyptic movies in the late 70's and early 80's. but it is something to consider!



One of the greatest influences on Western culture is its Christianity, and Christianity has been from its advent a faith of apocalypse. As much as we've moved away from it as a culture, we are still infused with its eschatology. The end times aren't a new obsession or even a modern obsession. Dawn of the Dead and The Road are variations on a theme that's been around since John of Patmos and St. Malachy.



well, it's been around longer than christianity, but all major religions predict the end of the world-- it's the first thing they come up with, right after the creation. even the cyclical ones like hinduism and buddhism tell of terrible times that have to happen before the renewal. why should a culture with roots in christian philosophy be especially predisposed to an obsession with apocalypse?

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