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Colin_ORegan

Colin_ORegan

Brooklyn, NY
May 2006

MAR 10, 2007 03:53 PM


Juan Catalan has been awarded $320,000 this week by the city of Los Angeles. Four years ago, May 2003, Catalan was wrongly imprisoned for the murder of Martha Puebla. He spent five months in jail before his attorneys got busy watching some HBO bonus footage.

He [Catalan] told detectives he was innocent and was at a Dodgers game when the crime occurred.

His defense lawyer, Todd Melnik, went through footage of crowd shots from the televised game between the Dodgers and the Atlanta Braves, but did not find his client. Then he learned that the HBO comedy starring former "Seinfeld" co-creator Larry David had been shooting at the ballpark that day.

"There he was in the outtakes," said Gary S. Casselman, the attorney handling Catalan's lawsuit. "He's glad it's over."

The footage showed Catalan chowing on some dogs at the game with his daughter. During the trial, Catalan provided ticket stubs and cell phone records placed him at the Dodger Stadium, but Catalan's unwillingness to submit to a polygraph test had police convinced they had the right man.

The $320K settles a case Catalan brought against the city for false imprisonment, misconduct, and defamation of character. Police explained the confusion thusly:

The LAPD said Puebla was shot outside her house by a suspect who witnesses described as "a medium build male Hispanic, 19-25 years of age, 5'8" to 5'10"."

"He had very short hair and a mustache and appeared to be a gang member," said a police statement.

Yet another unfortunate example of the unreliability of eyewitness accounts. Another man is now in custody for the murder, and I imagine he has his Netflix queue stocked with movies and television filmed on the day of the murder – the case still probably being based on the same weak eye-ball account.

The Dodgers lost that night to the Braves 11 to 4.

emperorreagan

emperorreagan

Baltimore, MD
January 2004

MAR 10, 2007 06:03 PM

Between things like this, the Boston PD blowing up everything they can get their hands on, and the ridiculous no-knock phenomena, someone needs to get the police back in check.

PaulNikon

PaulNikon

Palm Bay, FL
February 2003

MAR 10, 2007 06:30 PM

"a medium build male Hispanic, 19-25 years of age, 5'8" to 5'10"
- In Los Angeles, no way.


Oh, by the way. Some bullshit like this happened to a freind of mine in San Deigo. Big reason for me leaving California.

JoLeigh

JoLeigh

SUICIDEGIRL

Florida, USA

MAR 10, 2007 06:42 PM

PaulNikon said:
"a medium build male Hispanic, 19-25 years of age, 5'8" to 5'10"
- In Los Angeles, no way.


Oh, by the way. Some bullshit like this happened to a freind of mine in San Deigo. Big reason for me leaving California.



puke puke puke
Thats so shitty...
Thats like a part of life that you can't get back
and in my world that doesn't really have a price

PaulNikon

PaulNikon

Palm Bay, FL
February 2003

MAR 10, 2007 07:10 PM

Yes. Like the guy here in Florida that was in prison for 22 years. Innocent. DNA set him free. Flroida paid him millions. When he got the money he said "I'd rather have my 22 years back."

Put the innocent in prison so they will learn to be criminals. Keep the criminals free to ensure Police, Judges, Lawyers and Law Makers have a job.

Dark_Templar

Dark_Templar

Auburn, CA
June 2004

MAR 10, 2007 07:37 PM

He's probably gonna buy guns and dope with the money whatever confused tongue biggrin

aleksa

aleksa

Tacoma, WA
April 2006

MAR 10, 2007 07:54 PM

PaulNikon said:
"a medium build male Hispanic, 19-25 years of age, 5'8" to 5'10"
- In Los Angeles, no way.



Precisely what I was thinking.

Sid

Sid

SUICIDEGIRL

Colorado, USA

MAR 10, 2007 08:13 PM

JoLeigh said:

PaulNikon said:
"a medium build male Hispanic, 19-25 years of age, 5'8" to 5'10"
- In Los Angeles, no way.


Oh, by the way. Some bullshit like this happened to a freind of mine in San Deigo. Big reason for me leaving California.



puke puke puke
Thats so shitty...
Thats like a part of life that you can't get back
and in my world that doesn't really have a price



+1 that's way too awful frown

hadees

hadees

Austin, TX
December 2003

MAR 10, 2007 08:43 PM

He had 3 witness, ticket stubs, and a cell phone call all for his alibi and the reason they charged him was because he wouldn't take a lie detector test that is inadmissible in court. I generally give the police the benefit of the doubt but in this case fuck the police. Just a shame the people who end up paying for this are the tax payers.

ickegg

ickegg

Albuquerque, NM
September 2006

MAR 10, 2007 08:44 PM

This is another case for not supporting the death penalty. I simply don't trust our system to accurately or justly convict suspects. What if the footage had never been found or shared?

soft_shoulder

soft_shoulder

Madison, WI
May 2006

MAR 11, 2007 12:26 AM

another wow. good attorney.

CptPyjama

CptPyjama

United Kingdom
October 2006

MAR 11, 2007 04:16 AM

Eye witness testimony is the most unreliable evidence there is. There's loads of studies done where people have watched a video, or whatever, and afterwards they were asked questions and depending on what the questions were, they were certain that the guy in it had a hat on, long hair, no hair, blonde hair, dark hair... every person described a completely different person.

It's so useless I'm amazed we're even allowed to use it really.

jermhawk

jermhawk

Tidioute, PA
December 2004

MAR 11, 2007 08:39 AM

I hate the police

PaulNikon

PaulNikon

Palm Bay, FL
February 2003

MAR 11, 2007 09:05 AM

hadees said:
He had 3 witness, ticket stubs, and a cell phone call all for his alibi and the reason they charged him was because he wouldn't take a lie detector test that is inadmissible in court. I generally give the police the benefit of the doubt but in this case fuck the police. Just a shame the people who end up paying for this are the tax payers.



Well put.

camalot

camalot

Kitchener, ON
April 2006

MAR 11, 2007 10:19 AM

Who will police the police?

zyryx

zyryx

Tyler, TX
April 2004

MAR 11, 2007 10:28 AM

emperorreagan said:
Between things like this, the Boston PD blowing up everything they can get their hands on, and the ridiculous no-knock phenomena, someone needs to get the police back in check.



well when you take into account the people that wish to become police officers, are you really surprised?

johnnybourbon

johnnybourbon

USA
October 2004

MAR 11, 2007 10:37 AM

camalot said:
Who will police the police?



The people who were supposed to all along; us

d_day

d_day

San Bernardino, CA
July 2002

MAR 11, 2007 11:51 AM

hadees said:
He had 3 witness, ticket stubs, and a cell phone call all for his alibi and the reason they charged him was because he wouldn't take a lie detector test that is inadmissible in court. I generally give the police the benefit of the doubt but in this case fuck the police. Just a shame the people who end up paying for this are the tax payers.



Fuck the police? What exactly do the police have to do with this after making the initial arrest? How about fuck the DA for refusing to drop the charges. How about fuck the judge for thinking there was enough evidence to keep Mr. Catalan locked up.

MarginWalker2002

MarginWalker2002

San Diego, CA
April 2004

MAR 11, 2007 02:20 PM

bunnilicious said:
another wow. good attorney.



+1

VaugelyChilly

VaugelyChilly

Ireland
October 2006

MAR 11, 2007 02:48 PM

camalot said:
Who will police the police?



I dunno? Coastguard?

Trahern

Trahern

United Kingdom
March 2003

MAR 11, 2007 08:13 PM

Just because he refuses to take a polygraph doesn't mean he's guilty... of the crime he's been arrested for.

Blaxton

Blaxton

New York, NY
September 2005

MAR 11, 2007 08:16 PM

d_day said:

hadees said:
He had 3 witness, ticket stubs, and a cell phone call all for his alibi and the reason they charged him was because he wouldn't take a lie detector test that is inadmissible in court. I generally give the police the benefit of the doubt but in this case fuck the police. Just a shame the people who end up paying for this are the tax payers.



Fuck the police? What exactly do the police have to do with this after making the initial arrest? How about fuck the DA for refusing to drop the charges. How about fuck the judge for thinking there was enough evidence to keep Mr. Catalan locked up.



The police are responsible for making him a suspect. While the police interrogated him they decided his three witnesses, ticket stubs, and cell records were not an alibi. The police requested the lie detector test. The blame falls on the DA and judge for letting it all go as far as it did, but the police were the front line, and the initial blame is theirs.

DevilsReject

DevilsReject

Cleveland, OH
February 2007

MAR 11, 2007 08:58 PM

The authorities are so fucked right now it's not even funny. Had the Boston police not detonated anything and the lite brights turned out to be something that did wipe out a couple thousand people, everyone would be crying how BAD the Boston police department is. Granted terrorist paranoia is at an all time high, i'd still like to see the people that started the whole thing take a LITTLE blame for what they did.

Human Witnesses are a HORRIBLE means of defense. Ticket stubs can be picked from the trash, and anyone could carry my cell phone and make a phone call, it's been done before.

he had a pretty good motive if you ask me:

Police arrested Catalan in August, alleging he killed Martha Puebla, 16, in the San Fernando Valley on May 12, 2003, because she had testified against his brother in another case.



On top of that he refused a lie detector test. That doesn't make him guilty, it does make him look suspicious though. The way it sounds, the police made assumptions based off Witness claiming to describe him. His defense attorney did a damn shitty job of defending him. If he claimed to be at the baseball game, why didn't his defense attorney find this footage PRIOR to him going to jail? Why didn't the attorney do everything he could to PROVE that he was at the baseball game rather than rely just on ticket stubs, a phone call and human witnesses?

Yea it SUCKS ASS that this happened. The police, the judges the DA are HUMAN and are fallible. I am happy he only served 5 and a half months instead of 30 years before they figured this out. Everyone wants to point the finger at someone when something like this happens. But in reality it's a big mistake, and anyone who claims to have never made a big mistake in their life is either drunk or lying.

d_day

d_day

San Bernardino, CA
July 2002

MAR 11, 2007 09:26 PM

Eh said:

d_day said:

hadees said:
He had 3 witness, ticket stubs, and a cell phone call all for his alibi and the reason they charged him was because he wouldn't take a lie detector test that is inadmissible in court. I generally give the police the benefit of the doubt but in this case fuck the police. Just a shame the people who end up paying for this are the tax payers.



Fuck the police? What exactly do the police have to do with this after making the initial arrest? How about fuck the DA for refusing to drop the charges. How about fuck the judge for thinking there was enough evidence to keep Mr. Catalan locked up.



The police are responsible for making him a suspect. While the police interrogated him they decided his three witnesses, ticket stubs, and cell records were not an alibi. The police requested the lie detector test. The blame falls on the DA and judge for letting it all go as far as it did, but the police were the front line, and the initial blame is theirs.



I would hardly blame the police for making an arrest based on witnesses to the crime alone. The fact that the girl testified against his brother makes an even stronger case for hooking the guy up. If you still want to blame the police, go ahead. Hold them responsible for the first 72 hours of his incarceration. Any time after that belongs to the DA.

Grimjack

grimjack

Philadelphia, PA
January 2004

MAR 11, 2007 09:45 PM

The police may have been the ones to label this man as their main suspect in the murder, but that was only the first step. You still have the Prosecution/District Attorney's office that went ahead and filed criminal charges against this innocent man even with the shoddy evidence against him (and the apparently substantial amount of evidence that showed he WASN'T the right man).

Add in the Judge and/or Jury that went through with the verdict of guilty against this man, and you've got yourself a fucked up judicial system that goes waaaaay beyond just a couple of cops pulling in a wrong guy. Shit, cops pull in suspects all of the goddamn time. It's their job to do that. Sometimes they get the right guy, sometimes they don't and they release the person. They're not the ones that possess final judgement on a would-be criminal, though. Again, cops are just one small part of our judicial system.

In the end, I'm more pissed off at the Prosecutor's on this one. They dropped the ball, and I more than bet someone lost their job and their credibility on this one.

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