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Bitch_PhD

Bitch_PhD

I'm lost
February 2007

FEB 21, 2007 11:25 AM





So, a little more research and, apparently, for most of us, news about meth use during pregnancy.



According to the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration,



* It is not solely the use of a specific substance that affects the child welfare system; it is a complex relationship between

o The substance use pattern

o Variations across States and local jurisdictions regarding policies and practices

o Knowledge and skills of workers

o Access to appropriate health and social supports for families



That last is what I want to concentrate on. The first question _ the substance abuse pattern _ is one I hope to address in a later post, but for now I'll simply point out that one of the major problems with *any* understanding of how most illegal drugs affect pregnancy is that, because they're illegal, it's very hard to distinguish between the effects of the drug itself and the effects of any other substances or additives that may have been used in producing or cutting the drug _ e.g., antifreeze used in making meth, or quinine used to cut heroin. Moreover, since many (if not most) addicts use more than one drug (including smoking) or get their drugs from different sources, the problem of tracing specific effects to specific drugs only gets more difficult. And finally, the observed effects of drug use during pregnancy _ it's important that they're observed, rather than known, since you can't always know the cause of what you see _ are surely, in many cases, affected by other factors like the mother's health or nutrition or her local environment: stress, environmental pollutants, and lots of unknown factors mean that non-drug users also have babies with some of these problems.



That said, the apparent risks of meth use while pregnancy _ which depend on how often and how much is used, as well as at what stage of pregnancy, mind, so keep in mind that making generalizations about whether or not a given woman's meth use will "cause" these would be a massive overgeneralization _ include:



birth defects, growth retardation, premature birth, low birth weight, (and) brain lesions. Problems at birth may include difficulty sucking and swallowing, hypersensitivity to touch, excessive muscle tension (hypertonia), (and) long term risks may include developmental disorders, cognitive deficits, learning disabilities, poor social adjustment, language deficits



I didn't emphasize the "mays" in that quotation, but I hope you noticed them.



My point here isn't that using meth (or any other drug, including alcohol, tobacco, or prescription medication) is a-ok during pregnancy. Using meth or drinking heavily or smoking isn't a-ok even when you're not pregnant _ duh. My point is that simple judgments about drugs' effects on pregnancy aren't supported by the science; even when we know that in general X drug tends to cause Y outcome, that isn't the same thing as saying that this specific user is going to have that specific result. The most one can say is that it puts a user at an elevated risk for that result.



And there are things that we can do to mitigate those risks. Again according to SAMHSA, the critical factor in a child's outcome is not the simple fact of use itself, but the home environment. The consequences of use _ or even of a poor home environment _ can be mediated if we actually care about the child's well-being more than we do about casting blame on the mother.



One of the most effective solutions to the problem of mothers using meth is formally prioritizing families with children in treatment programs. Meth users, in fact, have:



* the highest "satisfactory" outcome after treatment programs, at 65.6%;

* the highest result for ongoing reunification services between mother and child when a baby that's been removed from the mother (usually after being tested for the presence of a drug at birth--which by the way, isn't done routinely--so there may be babies with meth problems that we don't know about, *and* there may be babies born with meth in their systems who are doing fine) and the mother is offered treatment _ rather than incarceration;

* the second shortest amount of separation between mother and baby in these cases. The shortest separation time is for babies who tested positive for marijuana.



In short, as the Supreme Court of Hawaii found in the first case there where a woman was arrested for meth use during pregnancy, arresting pregnant drug users



violates well-established consensus in the medical community that such a prosecution is irrational, ineffective, and counterproductive to maternal, fetal and newborn health.



For what it's worth, I've met the woman who was prosecuted in that Hawaii case. Her baby was born premature, and died after being released from the hospital (raising the question of why, if his health was compromised at birth, the hospital released him). Prosecutors assumed his death was the result of her having smoked meth a few days before delivery. After getting clean and getting through her prosecution, Tayshea Aiwohi has gone on to establish a foundation to help women recover from drug addiction and be reuinted with their children. It's named after her dead son. Seems to me she's doing a lot more good than the prosecutors who wanted to lock her up and throw away the key.



Bitch_PhD, being a liberal, is objectively pro-drug use.

Flawedhero

Flawedhero

Suwanee, GA
October 2006

FEB 21, 2007 03:48 PM

Good heavens, are you just going to keep posting these until everyone says you are right?

RileyStClair

RileyStClair

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

FEB 21, 2007 03:53 PM

shit, fan, i believe you two are well acquainted...

StarBelliedBoy

StarBelliedBoy

Philadelphia, PA
December 2003

FEB 21, 2007 03:54 PM

Hey look, it's yet another thread that, were you not a professional blogger (unlike us godless men-folk just here for the titties), would have been contained within the original thread. So that's three articles you get published under one actual topic! I'm amazed by your ability to get paid for this.

Margot_Dent

Margot_Dent

Los Angeles, CA
February 2004

FEB 21, 2007 03:59 PM

"shit, as long as there's a chance my baby WON'T be fucked up by my drug use, i may as well. bottoms up!"


find a new topic, this is obnoxious.

bananameltdown

bananameltdown

Tampa, FL
July 2004

FEB 21, 2007 03:59 PM

I for one, think meth is a wonderful thing for pregnant mothers to be involved with. Who doesnt want a mom with rotted teeth?

apesamongus

apesamongus

Atlanta, GA
July 2002

FEB 21, 2007 04:01 PM

This is fucking pathetic.

DyeWhiteGirls

DyeWhiteGirls

Madison, WI
December 2003

FEB 21, 2007 04:12 PM

I'm not going to further anger myself by replying to this. However, if you have something like this to post, keep it in one of the other two threads you created. The newswire is not you personal blog.

zyryx

zyryx

Tyler, TX
April 2004

FEB 21, 2007 04:12 PM

is there actually anyone paying attention to what get's posted as "news" anymore? isn't shit like this the reason we have blogs?!

KtheTwentyThird

KtheTwentyThird

Ypsilanti, MI
March 2005

FEB 21, 2007 04:19 PM

Wow, this article was really thought provoking and interesting...the first two times I read it.

Seriously, who is this woman? Why does she get to use the newswire as a personal blog, while I'm stuck paying for an account?

catatac

catatac

San Diego, CA
June 2005

FEB 21, 2007 04:20 PM

...wouldn't this be one of those cases where it might be a good idea to ASSUME your baby would be a retarded mutant if you smoke meth while pregnant? Maybe?

I'm not in favor of throwing more people in jail over drugs. I just think if you smoke meth and you're a woman and have kids or may become pregnant, you should have your uterus taken away. Stupid.

Don't flame me for responding, I haven't read the other posts on this topic. You can totally get me on the forced stearilization though. But seriously, people should have a fucking liscence to bring children into this would. puke

Wendy

Wendy

SUICIDEGIRL

Israel

FEB 21, 2007 04:21 PM

move on. you were doing your job correctly and getting people to bicker back and forth the first couple of times, but now you're just annoying everyone. i think it would be in your best interest to start a new topic.

Margot_Dent

Margot_Dent

Los Angeles, CA
February 2004

FEB 21, 2007 04:22 PM

bloomews said:
...wouldn't this be one of those cases where it might be a good idea to ASSUME your baby would be a retarded mutant if you smoke meth while pregnant? Maybe?

I'm not in favor of throwing more people in jail over drugs. I just think if you smoke meth and you're a woman and have kids or may become pregnant, you should have your uterus taken away. Stupid.

Don't flame me for responding, I haven't read the other posts on this topic. You can totally get me on the forced stearilization though. But seriously, people should have a fucking liscence to bring children into this would. puke



you are so judgmental of womyn, chauvinist pig! you can't take away my right to do drugs while pregnant, THIS IS AMERICA!

DyeWhiteGirls

DyeWhiteGirls

Madison, WI
December 2003

FEB 21, 2007 04:25 PM

bloomews said:
...wouldn't this be one of those cases where it might be a good idea to ASSUME your baby would be a retarded mutant if you smoke meth while pregnant? Maybe?

I'm not in favor of throwing more people in jail over drugs. I just think if you smoke meth and you're a woman and have kids or may become pregnant, you should have your uterus taken away. Stupid.

Don't flame me for responding, I haven't read the other posts on this topic. You can totally get me on the forced stearilization though. But seriously, people should have a fucking liscence to bring children into this would. puke



I agree with you, but...

emperorreagan

emperorreagan

Baltimore, MD
January 2004

FEB 21, 2007 04:29 PM

Clearly, all women should use meth while pregnant.

Godin

Godin

New York, NY
March 2004

FEB 21, 2007 04:45 PM

A report that was released earlier this week, suggested children of mothers who ate fish, were more successful. Clearly fish was a typo and "meth" was the substance they were referring to. In related news, Frosted Flakes will now be sprinkled with delicious meth flakes.

Maudite

Maudite

I'm lost
March 2004

FEB 21, 2007 04:55 PM

I don't like Bitch_PhD. at all and I bet she doesn't even have a PhD, other than that I do agree with her name. Zing!

Chops

Chops

Whittier, CA
May 2005

FEB 21, 2007 04:56 PM

Are we in Bizarro world now?

Drugz good! Drugz make pregnant woman, stronger! Teeth no fall out, teeth turn to galvanized steel! Solomon Grundy, smash!

Totally retarded, please go make your own blog titled: My Opinion Doesn't Exist, But My Facts Say They Do.

apesamongus

apesamongus

Atlanta, GA
July 2002

FEB 21, 2007 04:58 PM


I agree, you should never celebrate Thanksgiving with a Leprechaun.

TheFox

TheFox

Carrboro, NC
February 2006

FEB 21, 2007 04:58 PM

Mmmm.... meth flakes. I should get started buying up all the pseudophedrine I can per day, so I can start making "Baby Brain Flakes" for pregnant mothers.

Awesome.

Hey, did you guys know Britney Spears shaved her head?

And I bet Paris Hilton fucked somebody, too.

(As long as we're discussing "news"...)

UmbraDigital

UmbraDigital

New Zealand
May 2006

FEB 21, 2007 05:09 PM

No, wait, she gets paid to write here?

Damn, you mean to say essentially I'm helping to pay for her wages out of my subscription money?

Sucks to be me (and all of us really...)!

RedBstrd

RedBstrd

Pomona, CA
April 2004

FEB 21, 2007 05:12 PM

"My point is that simple judgments about drugs' effects on pregnancy aren't supported by the science; even when we know that in general X drug tends to cause Y outcome, that isn't the same thing as saying that this specific user is going to have that specific result. The most one can say is that it puts a user at an elevated risk for that result."

You are apparently operating on inappropriate assumptions about science. In very few cases can science say that X will produce Y outcome every time. For instance, being shot in the face with a gun will not always produce death. We would not, however, be justified in claiming that the theory "gunshots to the face cause death" is pattently false.

The study you cite suggests that meth use while pregnant puts the child at risk for a variety of harmful effects. The fact that other factors beyond meth use may be more detrimental than it does not entail that women should then be allowed to use meth while pregnant or that the risk of harm is insignificant.

RileyStClair

RileyStClair

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

FEB 21, 2007 05:22 PM

TheFox said: And I bet Paris Hilton fucked somebody, too.



paris hilton has fucked the equivalent of the population of south dakota since this topic was posted.

PRockGirlScout

PRockGirlScout

Hawaii National Park, HI
October 2005

FEB 21, 2007 05:31 PM

Bitch_PhD said:
Bitch_PhD, being a liberal, is objectively pro-drug use.



What does that link have to do with drug use? confused

TheFox

TheFox

Carrboro, NC
February 2006

FEB 21, 2007 05:31 PM

yourfashionwar said:

TheFox said: And I bet Paris Hilton fucked somebody, too.



paris hilton has fucked the equivalent of the population of south dakota since this topic was posted.



Yeah, but we both know nobody lives in South Dakota. She can do better.

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