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punk

punk

Phoenix, AZ
January 2004

FEB 11, 2007 01:28 AM

Saraphine said:
I'm never having kids. Passing along a dick trait is unfair



Unless it's a big dick.

HEY-O!

tutunaku

tutunaku

Worland, WY
August 2006

FEB 11, 2007 02:33 AM

I guess I'm adopted then. surreal

DannyDMc

DannyDMc

Fargo, ND
July 2003

FEB 11, 2007 02:48 AM


Well, its always been my belief that most of a person's temperment is inherited anyway (although the way in which that temperment is expressed is based a lot on environment), so I wouldn't be suprised if the findings are mostly correct. Even so; one can still have the 'anti-social" temperment and still function all right in society. Its really more of a matter of learning to control such things (of course, if your primary role models can't; well, there you go)

As for the comment on; if being anti-social is genetic, why hasn't it been bred out? Well, I personally wonder why the bad eye sight in my family hasn't been bred out; there is something which is certainly genetic, yet it keeps showing up in every generation. Or, for that matter, what about families with bad hearts? Those keep sticking around as well. Hell, for a more extreme example; I knew one family with a strong tendency towards mental illness, each generation has SEVERAL examples of it. Yet, that same family keeps managing to reproduce.

Sunshine

Sunshine

SUICIDEGIRL

USA

FEB 11, 2007 07:46 AM

I'm gonna argue that environment has a lot more to do with being a dick than the dick gene! If your dad treats you like ass and bullies you, then chances are you will do the same.

_DictionaryGirl_

_DictionaryGirl_

NEWSWIRE

San Diego, CA

FEB 11, 2007 08:33 AM

Sunshine said:
I'm gonna argue that environment has a lot more to do with being a dick than the dick gene! If your dad treats you like ass and bullies you, then chances are you will do the same.



No way, look at Oliver Twist! Years of unspeakable hardship, but good as gold to the end. Dickens knew what was up. It's SCIENCE. ooo aaa

LostLucy

LostLucy

USA
December 2006

FEB 11, 2007 09:00 AM

FireBrand said:
It couldn't possibly be the result of being raised by people who are dicks or fight right? cause children cant possibly learn how to act in public based on their parental archtypes, so instead of trying to better ourselves and right anti social behavior lets all give up and just veg out on medication, cause its not our fault, its our genes!

fucking science.




i hear that! looks like they swung too far to the nature side of the debate, and they forgot abt the nurture. should we just execute all kid's if they, for instance, have a parent in prison (a broad indicator and i am not saying it is MY CRITERIA but one characteristic of being 'anitsocial' is having been arrested...)

ridiculous!

RileyStClair

RileyStClair

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

FEB 11, 2007 09:24 AM

TedKoppel said:
They need to establish a scientific correllation between people who are total dicks and people who think Atlas Shrugged is a great book.



i just spit out my drink laughing. that was genius.

Syrrys

Syrrys

Chicago, IL
October 2004

FEB 11, 2007 09:33 AM

HeyZeus said:
Not to be a dick, but that's a pretty lame article; no sources, no discussion of the actual findings. Usually the answer to "is it nature or nurture?" is "both."



yeah.... I would have thought that they'd look at the adopted case first to try to establish a genetic basis.... to take the case where the kid is raised by their genetic parents isn't isolating the variables at all well...

SocietysPliers

SocietysPliers

Ocala, FL
October 2004

FEB 11, 2007 11:02 AM

There has to be so many factors at play here, and studies are so subjective - one of the freelance things I do for a University hospital is to research the research studies, and it's pretty outrageous at times.

This, having no real sources for the sources listed, likely is not worth my time looking into, but I tend to agree that Nature and nurture are intertwined inextricably; i.e. gentetics may very well play a part, and I believe they do, but that's just a part of it.

Of course, I may just be wanting to take more credit for my own dickliness than is due.ARRR!!!

BruisedPassion

BruisedPassion

Tucson, AZ
September 2006

FEB 11, 2007 05:07 PM

After all these years I can let it out and be proud of who I am. Now I can let my dickiness show through.

No longer well I wear my dick on my sleeve, I'll wear it over my cold black heart like a badge of honor.

I'm gonna call my father and thank him and tell him I really was listening but since I'm such a dick I just didn't wanna hear it.

It's amazing how many years it took me to realize no matter how much I tried to be different, in the end I really am my fathers dick.

Morgan

Morgan

SUICIDEGIRL

Georgia, USA

FEB 11, 2007 07:11 PM

bean said:Yep. I had a child development professor who drilled into us that the answer to every single question about why we are the way we are was, "the dynamic interaction between genes and environment." It's kind of a cop-out, since it doesn't explain that interaction but it's ultimately the most accurate reasoning since the point is that our genes set a range of possibilities for us, and our environment determines where we fall within that range.



I want to find some way to be a dick about this story but wow...I friggin love you.

Postblank

Postblank

New Brunswick, NJ
June 2004

FEB 12, 2007 02:36 AM

I sure am glad a case study pointed out my parents are assholes. I couldn't have figured that one out myself.

magpieboy

magpieboy

Seattle, WA
June 2004

FEB 12, 2007 07:51 PM

kaosfactor said:
So exactly how did they isolate the genetics from the environment?



THey laid out the DNA in rows, fool. That's what those gels are. Then they shook the jar to see if they fought. It's THAT EASY.

magpieboy

magpieboy

Seattle, WA
June 2004

FEB 12, 2007 07:53 PM

Sunshine said:
I'm gonna argue that environment has a lot more to do with being a dick than the dick gene!



I'm going to quote you out of context and say...

You mean the Y chromosome???


wink

_Elichrusos

_Elichrusos

Australia
November 2004

FEB 12, 2007 08:39 PM

This seems to me a rather curious argument, right up there with "I'm fat because my mom's fat (not because we eat the same food every day)," and "I've got BPD because my mom has BPD (not because she used to lock me in the celler for asking for seconds)". Children learn from mimicking their adults, and there's a whole mess of evidence for that.

Of course, I haven't actually read the source article.

gdarklighter said:

FireBrand said:
fucking science.



You are treading on very thin ice.


It's science, it's about fucking. What's the problem?

Dose

Dose

I'm lost
January 2007

FEB 18, 2007 12:17 PM

oh yes, of course, leave it to science to just look for another scapegoat. I mean, why would anyone want to focus their efforts on something USEFUL.
I guess it's my extremely sociable parent's fault that I'm such an introvert at times right?
Must be.

I guess no one's ever read Prozac Nation.

wottan

wottan

Richmond, BC
July 2004

FEB 18, 2007 12:57 PM

Colin_ORegan said:
... and there's not much anyone can do about it. It's not your fault. So fuck them. Shit, fuck everybody. Scientists in America have found that antisocial traits such as being



I dunno even if these findings were accurate, that says nothing to those traits being permanent and unchangable. I hate when people blame their negative traits on that being 'just the way they are'.

elkaen

elkaen

Gardnerville, NV
March 2005

FEB 18, 2007 01:56 PM

I taught kids with behavior disorders for a long time. Trust me there is a major interaction between genes and environment. We had a set of brothers that we had to keep a close eye on because they were just hoodlums and guess what, so where their parents. BUT, we had some kids that were all kinds of screwed up that had really awesome parents. I do have to say that the majority of my kids on house arrest had screwed up families and their lives just became a self-fullfilling prophesy of their screwed up parents expectations. I'd like to see sources and stats for this study.

Lemonkid

Lemonkid

Montreal, QC
May 2003

FEB 18, 2007 09:49 PM

_DictionaryGirl_ said:

TedKoppel said:
They need to establish a scientific correllation between people who are total dicks and people who think Atlas Shrugged is a great book.



Positive correlation of +1.



Never hurts to prove the obvious.

Metaverse

Metaverse

Portland, OR
March 2005

FEB 18, 2007 10:27 PM

It's not true unless Bill Nye verifies the validity of this study.

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