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motorfirebox

motorfirebox

Pittsburgh, PA
March 2004

JAN 03, 2007 03:45 PM

TheGringo said:
To me, anyone who is in support of "curing" homosexual tendencies in humans is homophobic....whether they wish to realize that or not.



i agree. however, it has to be noted that the scientists involved are not looking for a cure for homosexuality. yes, they are turning gay sheep straight, but the reason they're doing that isn't so that they can turn all gay humans straight. it's so that they can find out more about how sexual orientation works. the goal is knowledge--knowledge that can be put to any number of beneficial uses. with this technology, people who don't want to be gay don't have to be. people who do want to be gay can be. moreover, there are lots of other orientations whose neurochemical/hormonal basis might very well be discovered in the course of this research.

like i keep saying, the only one talking about "curing" homosexuality is the article's author and the gay/liberal personalities commenting on it. the guys actually doing the research have clearly and explicitly stated that they're not trying to "cure" homosexuality in humans.

Gringo

Gringo

Spokane, WA
May 2006

JAN 03, 2007 04:23 PM

malkav11 said:
....Okay, I think you need to replace one of two words there - Caucasian, or white. 'cause as it is now you're not making sense.


My mistake. I should have used "white" in both instances. I tend to make absent-minded mistakes in forum posts. It's....uh...all a test to see if you're paying attention. Uh huh.

motorfirebox said:
i agree. however, it has to be noted that the scientists involved are not looking for a cure for homosexuality. yes, they are turning gay sheep straight, but the reason they're doing that isn't so that they can turn all gay humans straight. it's so that they can find out more about how sexual orientation works.


I assume the same. It's not always what science is doing or exploring - it's what people can do with that information once they find other ways of exploiting it or using it against others.

The scientists involved in the Manhattan Project had no intention of killing innocent civilians by dropping two bombs on Japan. They were simply trying to understand, develop, and harness power. What could go wrong? They decided to show the public the danger of what was done with that technology via the Doomsday Clock for decades.

malkav11

malkav11

Saint Paul, MN
July 2003

JAN 03, 2007 04:34 PM

TheGringo said:

malkav11 said:
....Okay, I think you need to replace one of two words there - Caucasian, or white. 'cause as it is now you're not making sense.


My mistake. I should have used "white" in both instances. I tend to make absent-minded mistakes in forum posts. It's....uh...all a test to see if you're paying attention. Uh huh.



Okay, that still doesn't make any sense. How exactly would ensuring women only had white babies wipe out the white race?

Gringo

Gringo

Spokane, WA
May 2006

JAN 03, 2007 04:49 PM

Because I was retarded and missed another word "only." It should have read:

If this were a science experiment to wipe out whites and ensure that all couples would never have white babies.....what would your position be? Wouldn't you feel that was racist?


Sometimes when I read over my own post, I know what I meant or intended to say, so I don't always realize how it reads.

motorfirebox

motorfirebox

Pittsburgh, PA
March 2004

JAN 03, 2007 05:46 PM

TheGringo said:
I assume the same. It's not always what science is doing or exploring - it's what people can do with that information once they find other ways of exploiting it or using it against others.

The scientists involved in the Manhattan Project had no intention of killing innocent civilians by dropping two bombs on Japan. They were simply trying to understand, develop, and harness power. What could go wrong? They decided to show the public the danger of what was done with that technology via the Doomsday Clock for decades.



sure, but does that mean they shouldn't have performed the research? someone, somewhere, was going to figure out how to make atomic bombs--the Manhattan Project just got there first. it's not even fair to call Hiroshima and Nagasaki the "price" of learning the secrets of atomic power--if it hadn't been them, it'd have been some other city or cities. humanity's too stupid and evil to have that kind of weapon and not use it on someone at least once.

so, yeah, i don't think it's impossible that someone will attempt to use this hormone stuff to wipe out gays, at some point. they'll fail, eventually, and people a century later will enjoy the advantages of being able to choose their own sexuality. moreover, i think now is probably the best time to perform such research because of the momentum homosexuality is gaining in the area of acceptance. tolerance, in the US at least, is on the rise. there are a lot of people opposed to it, granted, but it's still gaining strength.

THESATCHMO2000

THESATCHMO2000

USA
November 2005

JAN 03, 2007 07:43 PM

my only fear of this research is where it will end. i mean, why stop at altering sexuality. what are the others things we're not being told. a new race of super robot humans could be bred just like the clones in star wars or the pod people. all of them manufactured to think and act the same way by a private organization bent on world domination. we'd be in deep shit man. an army of straight human zombies riding in on their straight sheep. i bet the scientologists and behind this.

malkav11

malkav11

Saint Paul, MN
July 2003

JAN 03, 2007 08:33 PM

THESATCHMO2000 said:
my only fear of this research is where it will end. i mean, why stop at altering sexuality. what are the others things we're not being told. a new race of super robot humans could be bred just like the clones in star wars or the pod people. all of them manufactured to think and act the same way by a private organization bent on world domination. we'd be in deep shit man. an army of straight human zombies riding in on their straight sheep. i bet the scientologists and behind this.



That isn't really the logical end result of the research going on here.

Although I want an enhanced army of killer clones. Or clowns, either way.

Maddigan

Maddigan

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

JAN 03, 2007 08:51 PM

apesamongus said:

Maddigan said:

apesamongus said:

Maddigan said:
Should we really be searching for a "cure" for homosexuality? That's up to the individual.


Good thing no one is trying to do that.



Oh, yeah. We're just seeing if we can make sheep hump pretty girl sheep for the fun of it. There are no implications whatsoever.


No, theyr'e doing it because if they succeed they will understand more about how that part of the brain functions and and more about how the development of the fetus works. Science learns by doing, not by navel gazing.



Where does it say that they're doing this to understand the development of the fetus?

I'm also curious as to who's funding this. No pharmaceutical companies had their hand in Mendel's. He was a bored monk.

Gringo

Gringo

Spokane, WA
May 2006

JAN 03, 2007 08:56 PM

Maddigan said:
I'm also curious as to who's funding this.


"The Endocrinology study is part of a five-year, OHSU-led effort funded through 2008 by the National Center for Research Resources, a component of the National Institutes of Health."

Source

OHSU = Oregon Health & Science University

apesamongus

apesamongus

Atlanta, GA
July 2002

JAN 03, 2007 09:07 PM

TheGringo said:
If this were a science experiment to wipe out whites and ensure that all couples would never have white babies.....what would your position be? Wouldn't you feel that was racist?


Yea, but then that's not a comperable thing to what they are doing. I certainly wouldn't object to research into finding ways to increase the melanin level in people or other animals. This is like that stupid argument that if you allow cloning someone will make an army of Hitlers or some rich old fart will live forever by cloning himself. What you describe isn't the intent or likely result of the research.

Gringo

Gringo

Spokane, WA
May 2006

JAN 03, 2007 10:11 PM

Well, no, not when it's just in hopes of farmers having sheep that are "functional" in the way that they are using them for. If they were raised as food....I really don't think the agriculture industry would give a shit whether or not the cows they are milking care to lick on nutsack or vagina.

It's the notion of taking it to the human stage that concerns me. Maybe you think it's a stupid concern...but it's just my position. I think we're a load of hypocrites if we claim that race, ethnicity, religion, and sexual orientation is protected when it comes to rights....yet we will then choose to give a mother the right to change that so-called protected right if it's done at the fetal level. Not that it matters, but I'm just as pissed at the notion that we deny gays the right to marry in this country.....oddly enough, for many of the same reasons I'm against the sexual orientation reassignment on humans.

Vestril

Vestril

Coronado, CA
February 2003

JAN 03, 2007 10:26 PM

apesamongus said:

TheGringo said:
If this were a science experiment to wipe out whites and ensure that all couples would never have white babies.....what would your position be? Wouldn't you feel that was racist?


Yea, but then that's not a comperable thing to what they are doing. I certainly wouldn't object to research into finding ways to increase the melanin level in people or other animals. This is like that stupid argument that if you allow cloning someone will make an army of Hitlers or some rich old fart will live forever by cloning himself. What you describe isn't the intent or likely result of the research.



Well, I'd like to think that some rich old fart would live forever, and I hope that one day I can become that rich old fart. Not because "I" would like to live forever, but because I would love to endow a being with the same basic building blocks as myself to exist in a new and exciting world. The idea tickles me; I'd get to rest but some other me would continue on, looking at all the new pretty girls out there.

motorfirebox

motorfirebox

Pittsburgh, PA
March 2004

JAN 04, 2007 11:13 AM

Maddigan said:
Where does it say that they're doing this to understand the development of the fetus?


it doesn't. it doesn't even say they're working with fetuses--even sheep fetuses--at all. that's part of why this article irks me so badly--if you read what the scientists involved are actually doing, it has nothing to do with determining sexuality in fetuses. zip, zero, zilch, nada. and yet that's what all but about three paragraphs of that two-page article focus on.

darknoire

darknoire

Sunnyvale, CA
March 2004

JAN 04, 2007 12:45 PM

Actually it sounds a lot like these activists are very afraid their whole war against the straights is based on a simple chemical imbalance. Wouldn't that be something if all that it took to make a gay person was mom having one too many twinkies during pregnancy? (Ok I'm being sarcastic but still…) Sexual orientation studies have been around a LONG ass time. Besides, this same chemical cocktail can also be what produces anything, good or bad. Sociopaths, Psychopaths, my bi polar ex-girlfriend, or empaths or, sticking with sexual orientation, what if there is a connection to pedophilia, sex addiction and so on? (Maybe even run on sentences tongue ) What if? Burying any research or to deny research on ANYTHING does nothing but hide the facts or possibilities' . Personally, I don't give a rats ass why anyone's gay. I have many friends that are gay and I don't ever think about why. They are who they are and I love them. This research could very well lead to many promising things. Could also lead to many ugly things, as with ANY research of this type. Not long ago someone tried to make us all blonde and blue eyed as I recall. Research, facts, truth , the pen sitting on my desk here, have no power by themselves. What they can be used to accomplish is entirely up to the person wielding them.

As others have already pointed out, this research just modifies the animals tendency, doesn't make it gay or straight. But still, do you think that maybe the hetero's may be as afraid of this research as the homo's ? Imagine , homo's being able to create homo legions at will. In a few generations hetero's could be the minority! What if the next 'hitler' is a homo-hitler !? 8O It's not like you have to have hetero sex to breed. We could be on the verge of homotopia! (Homo Utopia) . Eeeeep!

I really need to go back to work tongue

Maddigan

Maddigan

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

JAN 04, 2007 01:09 PM

motorfirebox said:

Maddigan said:
Where does it say that they're doing this to understand the development of the fetus?


it doesn't. it doesn't even say they're working with fetuses--even sheep fetuses--at all. that's part of why this article irks me so badly--if you read what the scientists involved are actually doing, it has nothing to do with determining sexuality in fetuses. zip, zero, zilch, nada. and yet that's what all but about three paragraphs of that two-page article focus on.



Oh, good. That means that apesamongus was quite mistaken (and possibly talking out of his ... well, you know) when he told me that "No, theyr'e doing it because if they succeed they will understand ... more about how the development of the fetus works."

Thanks, motorfirebox kiss

Oh, and thanks TheGringo. I didn't remember seeing that referenc ein the article. smile

ricosuave

ricosuave

I'm lost
September 2005

JAN 04, 2007 01:26 PM

You people are looking at this all wrong: The world needs MORE gay men, and this technology will be used to combat exploding populations in thrid world countries.

Instead of images from Africa of emaciated children sitting there with flies crawling on their faces, the whole fuckin' continent could be one big South Beach. True it would only last for one generation, but imagine the possibilities!

Conservatives, if they were smart, would also allow all the Blue states to non-breed themselves out of existence.

Finally, this technology could be used to assure a safe supply of Lesbians. And as everyone knows, it takes lesbians to make lesbian porn. The government's secret Strategic Lesbian Porn Reserves are almost full, and the country needs to secure DOMESTIC supplies of lesbian porn to support the internet. After all, it is just a bunch of tubes that could deflate if not enough lesbo porn is pumped through it.

So fuck cancer research. Let's devote more resources to gay genetic engineering. Our world depends on it.

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