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Colin_ORegan

Colin_ORegan

Brooklyn, NY
May 2006

DEC 15, 2006 11:24 AM

A Nevada state senator has figured out how to deal with the alarming number of students bringing guns into the classroom: Fight fire with fire-arms. Senator Bob Beers, R- Las Vegas, has got it all figured out, outfit our teachers with guns.

"I would expect enough teachers would be interested so it would serve as a deterrent," said Sen. Bob Beers, R-Las Vegas. He said he's preparing a bill to introduce when state lawmakers convene in February.

While Beers said teachers would have to undergo firearm safety training, Las Vegas-area school officials said that allowing more weapons on campus would make schools less safe.

Guns are the answer! Why didn't we think of it before? It's like the Cold War, but in the classroom. What a learning experience! Those evil dictating teachers are the Soviet Union and students are the US. Except this time the Soviet Union gets the upper-hand! Maybe we could give them better guns.

Okay, it's not exactly like the Cold War.

While people tried to explain to Beers that he didn't know what he was talking about, Beers tried to explain that, no, you don't know what you're talking about! You gotta love the general progress of debate these days.

Beers cited reports of more than a dozen guns confiscated at Clark County school students so far this year, and several recent instances of gun violence on and off Las Vegas-area campuses.

"We have banned guns in schools in Nevada and most of the rest of the nation for the last 20 years," Beers said. "Part of the problem is a small percentage of the population is brought up without a knowledge of and respect for guns."

Senator Beers, I respect guns, I just like to respect them from a really great, great distance. Like huge. Oh and this is a stupid idea. How stupid? Listen to these people.

"The more people who have guns, the more likely it is that there will be a shootout," said Clark County school Superintendent Walt Rulffes. He told the Las Vegas Review-Journal he was aware of no studies supporting Beers' argument that schools would be safer if teachers carried guns.

School trustee Sheila Moulton said teachers might need more training to identify and deal with potentially violent students. But she rejected the idea of arming teachers.

"That is not the solution," Moulton said. "I'm not for putting guns in the classroom even when teachers are trained on how to use them."

Clark County school police carry weapons, and district high schools typically have two officers on campus during school hours. Some large middle schools also have armed police officers. The district is the fifth-largest in the nation, with more than 300,000 students at 325 campuses.

Did you listen?

Maybe if we removed children's access to guns by taking them out of homes that would be more effective? Uh-oh, here comes the Second Amendment!

Vestril

Vestril

Coronado, CA
February 2003

DEC 15, 2006 06:18 PM

Holy shit what a horrible fucking idea. Maybe he's using it to screen out the dumb teachers. Like if you agree to take a gun into your classrom you get fired and blacklisted.

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

DEC 15, 2006 06:20 PM

What could go wrong?

mamet

mamet

Charleston, SC
March 2005

DEC 15, 2006 06:22 PM

That's the worst fucking idea I've ever heard.

dancekitchen

dancekitchen

Phoenix, AZ
November 2006

DEC 15, 2006 06:32 PM

Suicide has been the number 1 killer of teens for far too long.

MrCrisp

MrCrisp

I'm lost
August 2004

DEC 15, 2006 06:43 PM

fight firearms with firearms.

Vestril

Vestril

Coronado, CA
February 2003

DEC 15, 2006 06:56 PM

Subrosa said:
What could go wrong?



No kidding, I mean even the best case scenario (other than gun is never used) of: "teacher shoots gun toting minor" is still pretty wrong.

NikkiIs

NikkiIs

Drexel, MO
April 2005

DEC 15, 2006 06:59 PM

Arming teachers against students. Can you imagine the embarassing situations in the teachers lounge. "Has anybody seen my Glock?" "Isn't that it next to my Colt Python on the copier?" The level of stupidity in this country has reached new levels.

So why is the answer always making guns illegal? It's not even about the Second Ammendment. That only covers the right to maintain an armed defense force, which at the time was made up of civilian voulenteers, it is as misused as the First. This is about this nations addiction to blaming everyone but themselves. It's already illegal for minors to have guns. Schools are gun free zones.You must go thru a police background check to purchase a firearm. Yet whenever youths are caught with illegal weapons, instead of dealing with the real problem, you decide to punish those of us who obey the law. Social problem ,will never be cured by making laws that only affect honest citizens who obey them. Face it. Guns are tools, jst like hammers and cars. You have to be trained to use them.

Next you will be calling for the end of violent movies and vidoe games. I'll have to hide my copy of "Scarface" in fear that the police will come and take it away.

StarBelliedBoy

StarBelliedBoy

Philadelphia, PA
December 2003

DEC 15, 2006 07:03 PM

Eh, I'm open to trying it.

dholokov

dholokov

Toronto, ON
April 2003

DEC 15, 2006 07:33 PM

Makes me glad I went to a school where all staff were confined to a strict "no shooting students" policy. Absolutely no exceptions.

illstabyou

illstabyou

Brooklyn, NY
March 2004

DEC 15, 2006 08:00 PM

five dollars says the students will still be able to out-gun the teachers.

StarBelliedBoy

StarBelliedBoy

Philadelphia, PA
December 2003

DEC 15, 2006 08:01 PM

NikkiIs said:
Face it. Guns are tools, jst like hammers and cars. You have to be trained to use them.



Guns are tools only under a very loose interpretation of the word. A tool is something that can be used for constructive and destructive purposes. All a gun knows how to do is kill shit. Not that I'm not saying that's not useful, but let's not get confused here and say a gun has any innocence to it.

NikkiIs said:
Next you will be calling for the end of violent movies and vidoe games. I'll have to hide my copy of "Scarface" in fear that the police will come and take it away.



Where have you been? This has been going on for years.

thrash242

thrash242

Pearland, TX
September 2004

DEC 15, 2006 08:21 PM

I think it's a good idea to let teachers carry guns if they are fully licensed to do so legally. I don't think teachers should be carrying them unless they are fully trained with them, just like anywhere else. I, having a concealed carry permit, can carry anywhere except certain places, like schools. I think teachers should be exempted from that, but should still need a permit/license and should obviously have to have them locked up or otherwise secured.

Of course on this site the knee-jerk "ZOMG GUNS BAD MMKAY???" reaction is expected, but I'd rather teachers be able to defend their classrooms if armed attackers threaten them.

mamet

mamet

Charleston, SC
March 2005

DEC 15, 2006 08:30 PM

thrash242 said:
I think it's a good idea to let teachers carry guns if they are fully licensed to do so legally/. I don't think teachers should be carrying them unless they are fully trained with them, just like anywhere else. I, having a concealed carry permit, can carry anywhere except certain places, like schools. I think teachers should be exempted from that, but should still need a permit/license and should obviously have to have them locked up or otherwise secured.

Of course on this site the knee-jerk "ZOMG GUNS BAD MMKAY???" reaction is expected, but I'd rather teachers be able to defend their classrooms if armed attackers threaten them.



They absolutely should be able to carry guns if they have the proper permits. But not at fucking school. Jesus fucking Christ, can we stop demonizing kids. Yes, a few of them occasionally bring guns to school. In the grand scheme of things, however, it is a very small percentage. It does not necessitate some ridiculous overreaction like this. Fuck all. Let's stop perpetuating this false Us vs. Them dichotomy. Kids should not have to feel threatened at school. This can only help deteriorate teacher/student relationships. Having a teacher/student shootout is going to do any fucking good in these rare cases of extreme school violence.

Of course, this is all probably moot as I can't foresee any way this happens.

PaulNikon

PaulNikon

Palm Bay, FL
February 2003

DEC 15, 2006 08:44 PM


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Vestril

Vestril

Coronado, CA
February 2003

DEC 15, 2006 08:52 PM

thrash242 said:
I think it's a good idea to let teachers carry guns if they are fully licensed to do so legally. I don't think teachers should be carrying them unless they are fully trained with them, just like anywhere else. I, having a concealed carry permit, can carry anywhere except certain places, like schools. I think teachers should be exempted from that, but should still need a permit/license and should obviously have to have them locked up or otherwise secured.

Of course on this site the knee-jerk "ZOMG GUNS BAD MMKAY???" reaction is expected, but I'd rather teachers be able to defend their classrooms if armed attackers threaten them.



You've completely changed my mind, teachers carrying weapons in classrooms make perfect sense. After all, some percentage of them must be ex-cops who need to fend of terrorist attacks ala Die Hard. whatever

Knee jerk reaction is what you call it when someone thinks placing weapons designed to kill into a classroom where we educate children. If some kid is shooting up the school the LAST THING we need is a some fucking teacher trying to take him out. The teacher's job should be to try to evacuate and protect his students, not kill them. If a school is in an area prone to violence and they're desperate to have armed people on site, those people should be trained security guards, not professional educators.

Also, I'm not entirely sure there are that many people on this site who are way anti-guns. Certainly not amongst the American or Canadian members, and some others. I don't have a problem with people carrying guns in their homes, though I don't think it's generally a smart thing. Not even my own dad, who not only was trained in the use of a variety of weapons (guns, explosives and apparently some biological weapons included) but ran an armory on a base carries a gun in the house. A trained guard dog offers much better protection.

This is the wrong "solution" to this "problem."

MrCrisp

MrCrisp

I'm lost
August 2004

DEC 15, 2006 08:59 PM

PaulNikon said:

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i think i've got the hots for teacher.

IgnorantProdigy

IgnorantProdigy

Naples, FL
June 2006

DEC 15, 2006 09:17 PM



Yeah guns are bad! People totally wouldn't try to kill one another anymore if there weren't any guns.

I sort of like that idea to be honest. Instead of guns children might bring a katana to school and think of how cool a playground katana fight would be.

el_duderino2

el_duderino2

Kyrgyzstan
April 2006

DEC 15, 2006 09:45 PM

I am a teacher and I would refuse to do touch a gun let alone carry one onto campus.
It is my responsibility to educate students and maintain their safety and by having guns in a classroom we are effectively putting that safety at risk. The stats are pretty clear - those that carry guns are the most likely to get shot.
I wouldn't want to be put in that position.
I thank God that in Australia we have no need for such things.

SouthernDJ

SouthernDJ

Duluth, GA
September 2006

DEC 15, 2006 10:52 PM

I hope this guy ^^^ is NOT an English/Grammar teacher..lol.

That comment about Australia is also very misleading. They outlawed guns completely, by wittling away at their right to carry.

Yes, it's a stupid idea to have teachers carry guns. There's just too many things that can go wrong with that. However, more does need to be done. Even metal detectors aren't always enough.

One helpful solution might be to do more to keep guns out of the hands of minors. That doesn't mean taking guns from adults who have them legally.

DCruz

DCruz

Montreal-nord, QC
November 2006

DEC 15, 2006 10:53 PM

yeah... not the brightest idea... but who needs bright ideas these days anyway... not sure people would agree to a teacher shooting a student even if this one had a gun...

Signon

Signon

Austin, TX
June 2005

DEC 15, 2006 11:42 PM

Stop and think about this, folks. How many of you had idiot teachers who overreacted whenever a student so much as implied disobedience? I had one who hauled me out of a classroom by my ear for not having one of my textbooks with me (some prick had kicked them all around the halls between periods, and I couldn't find it), and another one claimed that she feared for her life when I yelled at her over an assignment she'd badly misgraded but wouldn't correct (I was proven right, but suspended anyway - hate to admit it, but I did have a history of violence, if not with weapons or against teachers). Hell, I had one teacher try to get me kicked out of school when I privately pointed out to her that she'd left her gradebook open and on her desk when she'd left the room "briefly" for fifteen minutes. The principal got me suspended again when I tried warning my teacher that the new metal detectors were too sensitive, and that my keyring set them off at 15 feet.

I wouldn't want any of these jackasses with a gun.

I don't know what there is to be done, really. In my personal experience, I know of two "educators" whom I feel grossly misjudged my intent as hostile when I was trying to help them, and two more who overreacted to comparatively common problems. All that arming the teachers would do is change the scenario from being worried that there's a gun in the room, to being certain of it. I know I'm not the only one on these boards who figured out how to pick those cheapass locks on the teachers' desks.

abracadabra

abracadabra

Seattle, WA
April 2004

DEC 16, 2006 12:00 AM

Battle Royale Nevada ?..Sounds like a great reality show in the works..with REAL violence!..

Dark_Templar

Dark_Templar

Auburn, CA
June 2004

DEC 16, 2006 01:26 AM

While I find the idea of an ARMED faculty alarming, I think there should be a person on campus, WHO IS QUALIFIED.......... ie.....'Law Enforcement'.... to have access to a firearm in case of a 'Columbine type' emergency..........

........If this doesnt happen I think the number of people who brings guns to school will begin to dramatically escalate, especially if such incidents of violence continue to occur..... wink

Dark_Templar

Dark_Templar

Auburn, CA
June 2004

DEC 16, 2006 01:27 AM

abracadabra said:
Battle Royale Nevada ?..Sounds like a great reality show in the works..with REAL violence!..



hahahahahahahahahah

I have the unrated version of BattleRoyale LOL

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