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Lips_wawa

Lips_wawa

I'm lost
December 2006

DEC 12, 2006 08:12 AM

I live in PA and it has been pushing 60 degrees, and will be all week. It's December and it feels and looks like spring! Ignorant people here here are like "Yeah, isn't it great?" Global warming coupled with a lack of awareness is terrifying to me

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

DEC 12, 2006 08:14 AM

Indian summers aren't due to Global Warming.

Lips_wawa

Lips_wawa

I'm lost
December 2006

DEC 12, 2006 08:16 AM

Indian Summer occurs for about 2 weeks in November

PatrickY

PatrickY

Vancouver, WA
December 2003

DEC 12, 2006 08:19 AM

PointBlank said:
Indian summers aren't due to Global Warming.



Sure, buddy. And I bet you don't think they're caused by indians, either.

PatrickY

PatrickY

Vancouver, WA
December 2003

DEC 12, 2006 08:20 AM

Lips_wawa said:
Indian Summer occurs for about 2 weeks in November



So does the second week of December. It's a Gregorian calendar thing.

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

DEC 12, 2006 08:21 AM

Lips_wawa said:
Indian Summer occurs for about 2 weeks in November



You're right. I still don't think that a few days of warm weather in December is attributable to global warming. Global Warming's effects are a lot more gradual (and more frightening).

Lips_wawa

Lips_wawa

I'm lost
December 2006

DEC 12, 2006 08:27 AM

PointBlank said:

Lips_wawa said:
Indian Summer occurs for about 2 weeks in November



You're right. I still don't think that a few days of warm weather in December is attributable to global warming. Global Warming's effects are a lot more gradual (and more frightening).



Isn't global warming a bit less gradual the longer it happens? The change from reflecting 90% of the sun's rays and absorbing 10%, to the exact opposite is quite a bit frightening-- like NOW kind of frightening. Maybe I'm paranoid, but this weather is insane

Tallboy66

Tallboy66

Chicago, IL
January 2005

DEC 12, 2006 08:41 AM

I'll admit the weather is funky but I'll take 51 instead of the wind chill warnings we had the last week. surreal

Like when the high temp. is 11 farenheit. frown

Roaring_Tulips

roaring_tulips

Jacksonville, FL
April 2006

DEC 12, 2006 08:48 AM

It's either in the 30's of the 70's here these days. I don't care if it's hot or cold. I just want the weather to make up it's mind, so that I can stop playing guessing games in my closet.

Lips_wawa

Lips_wawa

I'm lost
December 2006

DEC 12, 2006 09:00 AM

I decided I was not going to be a member of the nay-sayers on this one. There is too much talk on the subject these days to ignore it. I mean, the PENGUINS are dying for christs sake! Really though- with a problem this magnificent, why not just take it seriously? Ignoring it does no one any good. I'm buying a hybrid car next year. Or something

jerawyn

jerawyn

USA
December 2003

DEC 12, 2006 09:50 AM

I got 30 degrees, and it's beginning to convince me that global warming may be a complete lie wink
Although in July, i had a 117 degrees telling me something else smile

FreakPirate

FreakPirate

Canada
November 2002

DEC 12, 2006 09:55 AM

As a Canadian I'd implore you to quit your god damned whining and enjoy it. *puts on heavier jacket*

FridgeMagnet

FridgeMagnet

Chicago, IL
November 2004

DEC 12, 2006 09:57 AM

OMG GLOBAL WARMING!!! O NOEZ!!

Global warmings influence is felt in like fractions of a degree. Get a grip.

FridgeMagnet

FridgeMagnet

Chicago, IL
November 2004

DEC 12, 2006 09:58 AM

And as someone who lives in Chicago I can tell you that I've been standing on the corner of State Street spraying a case of Aqua Net into the sky for a week now and it's still freezing my tits off.

PatrickY

PatrickY

Vancouver, WA
December 2003

DEC 12, 2006 10:09 AM

FridgeMagnet said:
And as someone who lives in Chicago I can tell you that I've been standing on the corner of State Street spraying a case of Aqua Net into the sky for a week now and it's still freezing my tits off.



Now that's just silly, man.

There's no need to freeze on the corner. Just let your car idle on high, turn the heater up full blast, and spray the aqua net out the window. That way, you stay warm, and put EVEN MORE earth destroying toxicity into the atmosphere.

Efficiency and comfort, all in one.

Also, you might consider lighting a giant pile of tires on fire, using whale blubber and baby seals for kindling. The seals and blubber won't wreck the ozone layer, but in for a penny, in for a pound.*


*A pound, in this case, referring to a pound of burning coal, rather than money.

Lips_wawa

Lips_wawa

I'm lost
December 2006

DEC 12, 2006 10:13 AM

FridgeMagnet said:
And as someone who lives in Chicago I can tell you that I've been standing on the corner of State Street spraying a case of Aqua Net into the sky for a week now and it's still freezing my tits off.



Well it would have to be a really old can since CFCs are no longer in cans of Aqua Net. Anyway, how is it only felt in fractions of a degree? Do you have a theory with which to enlighten me? I'd LOVE to think this was all a bunch of pish-posh and go back to my guilt-free, self-absorbed lifestyle

bean

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

DEC 12, 2006 10:30 AM

Lips_wawa said:

FridgeMagnet said:
And as someone who lives in Chicago I can tell you that I've been standing on the corner of State Street spraying a case of Aqua Net into the sky for a week now and it's still freezing my tits off.



Well it would have to be a really old can since CFCs are no longer in cans of Aqua Net. Anyway, how is it only felt in fractions of a degree? Do you have a theory with which to enlighten me? I'd LOVE to think this was all a bunch of pish-posh and go back to my guilt-free, self-absorbed lifestyle



I believe the point he's trying to make is that the air temperature a specific given location has such a wildly varying "normal" temperature range that "global warming" doesn't have an effect you can "feel" on a daily basis.

This article at realclimate.org is a discussion about hurricanes and global climate change, but the point they make in the following excerpt is applicable to your situation as well.

The correct answer--the one we have indeed provided in previous posts (Storms & Global Warming II, Some recent updates and Storms and Climate Change) --is that there is no way to prove that Katrina either was, or was not, affected by global warming. For a single event, regardless of how extreme, such attribution is fundamentally impossible. We only have one Earth, and it will follow only one of an infinite number of possible weather sequences. It is impossible to know whether or not this event would have taken place if we had not increased the concentration of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere as much as we have. Weather events will always result from a combination of deterministic factors (including greenhouse gas forcing or slow natural climate cycles) and stochastic factors (pure chance).

Due to this semi-random nature of weather, it is wrong to blame any one event such as Katrina specifically on global warming - and of course it is just as indefensible to blame Katrina on a long-term natural cycle in the climate.



Lips_wawa

Lips_wawa

I'm lost
December 2006

DEC 12, 2006 10:39 AM

Hmmmm.... maybe I'm missing something, but nowhere in that article does it say that a week and a half of hot weather in December in the state of Pennsylvania is ok. Regardless of peoples' beliefs and non beliefs on the subject, things are changing. I think that if the product wasn't pleasant as hell for most people, there would be more of us working to remedy the problem. Weather like this isn't upsetting anyone around here because it's enjoyable. Just so I get it right, are you all saying global warming is no big deal and that the effects of it are minute and not worthy of being taken seriously? I would LIKE to go skiing at the many slopes we have nearby and last year was shit due to lack of snow and abundance of rain. This year is looking worse and worse

Lips_wawa

Lips_wawa

I'm lost
December 2006

DEC 12, 2006 10:41 AM

dkmfc said:

Lips_wawa said:
Global warming coupled with a lack of awareness is terrifying to me



you actually believe that global warming is causing this?

wow.

and you're bothered by everyone else's seeming lack of awareness?

wow.



Obviously I have no idea what I'm talking about. Thanks for setting me straight everyone! I willl read more internet articles on the subject so I know what the hell is going on

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

DEC 12, 2006 10:45 AM

Lips_wawa said:
Just so I get it right, are you all saying global warming is no big deal and that the effects of it are minute and not worthy of being taken seriously?


No. What we're saying is that what you are perceiving as the effects of global warming are not the effects of global warming.. Global warming's effects (as i said before) are a lot more subtle, and a lot more dangerous than a break in the cold weather. If it were 15 degrees below average (and it will be at some point) you wouldn't say that global warming is a myth, would you? You're using the same logic.

Read Bean's article again.

Lips_wawa

Lips_wawa

I'm lost
December 2006

DEC 12, 2006 10:50 AM

OK so what I'm getting is that a few degrees higher globally within a certain period of time is how it affects us-- not a string of warm weather in December. Then why does it seem so strange to feel like winter is getting warmer and summer is getting longer etc? What IS the reason for this crazines?

SnakePlissken

SnakePlissken

Corvallis, OR
December 2002

DEC 12, 2006 11:00 AM

The reason for this "craziness" is the fact that the planet is an everchanging environment. And as a species we desire control and fear what we cannot. This leads to junk science and wastes of effort to control and contain that which will not be.

Lips_wawa

Lips_wawa

I'm lost
December 2006

DEC 12, 2006 11:05 AM

SnakePlissken said:
The reason for this "craziness" is the fact that the planet is an everchanging environment. And as a species we desire control and fear what we cannot. This leads to junk science and wastes of effort to control and contain that which will not be.



I can respect that. I do get creeped out by weather. I guess it's easy to go overboard on this subject because it seems so different. I lived in southern CA for a good long time so my recollections of PA weather are from practically childhood. I really am glad to know now that this is not a tragedy but a nice happy warm December. Technically winter doesn't start for another week anyway.

Now I feel like chicken little-- shit! Yeah, I watched the Al Gore movie. I'll admit it.

Roaring_Tulips

roaring_tulips

Jacksonville, FL
April 2006

DEC 12, 2006 11:50 AM

SnakePlissken said:
The reason for this "craziness" is the fact that the planet is an everchanging environment. And as a species we desire control and fear what we cannot. This leads to junk science and wastes of effort to control and contain that which will not be.



Which in turn leads to us causing things like a hole in the Ozone Layer and adding to the problem of Global Warming....which should make things even harder to control.

Silly humans.

FridgeMagnet

FridgeMagnet

Chicago, IL
November 2004

DEC 12, 2006 01:25 PM

bean said:

Lips_wawa said:

FridgeMagnet said:
And as someone who lives in Chicago I can tell you that I've been standing on the corner of State Street spraying a case of Aqua Net into the sky for a week now and it's still freezing my tits off.



Well it would have to be a really old can since CFCs are no longer in cans of Aqua Net. Anyway, how is it only felt in fractions of a degree? Do you have a theory with which to enlighten me? I'd LOVE to think this was all a bunch of pish-posh and go back to my guilt-free, self-absorbed lifestyle



I believe the point he's trying to make is that the air temperature a specific given location has such a wildly varying "normal" temperature range that "global warming" doesn't have an effect you can "feel" on a daily basis.

This article at realclimate.org is a discussion about hurricanes and global climate change, but the point they make in the following excerpt is applicable to your situation as well.

The correct answer--the one we have indeed provided in previous posts (Storms & Global Warming II, Some recent updates and Storms and Climate Change) --is that there is no way to prove that Katrina either was, or was not, affected by global warming. For a single event, regardless of how extreme, such attribution is fundamentally impossible. We only have one Earth, and it will follow only one of an infinite number of possible weather sequences. It is impossible to know whether or not this event would have taken place if we had not increased the concentration of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere as much as we have. Weather events will always result from a combination of deterministic factors (including greenhouse gas forcing or slow natural climate cycles) and stochastic factors (pure chance).

Due to this semi-random nature of weather, it is wrong to blame any one event such as Katrina specifically on global warming - and of course it is just as indefensible to blame Katrina on a long-term natural cycle in the climate.





Thanks you.

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