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PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

NOV 29, 2006 09:53 AM

saeval said:

PointBlank said:

Melrose said:
I have no sympathy for criminals.



Me either. These cops should lose their jobs (hey,if they did nothing wrong--why did their own administration take them off the street?).

If he is a wanted suspect for robbery and gang affiliation, then sure, put your knee in his throat. Get him off the street. He had it coming.

Good to know that according to your own dopey logic, suspicion=guilt and that some people "have it coming".

The sad thing is, this guy will probably get off on a technicality for "improper restraint" from a police officer and be back on the streets where he will probably end up falling back into the circle of a crime.


You know why it's sad? It could have been prevented. Doesn't the fact that the TWO cops, who have the guy on his back, still need to punch him repeatedly in the face? Even if you don't think it's a crime, at the very least, this officer is shitty at his job, and he shouldn't be a fucking cop if he can't restrain a guy who is clearly outnumbered and on his back. If the suspect is guilty (still not proven) and gets out due to the excessive force the cops used--it's the fucking cop's fault! Why is that so hard to understand?



that actually wasn't excessive at all. if you actually watch the video, the Entire time he is resisting. he was trying to get his arms free. I believe the reason these cops are off the street is because of this negative publicity, not because they are bad cops. it sometimes takes more than two officers to take someone down and if as this video shows it did, there was probably a struggle right before this video was taken. on his back is still rather dangerous, this video would have been excessive if he was on his stomach with his arms pinned


Then, um, shouldn't they be flipping him over onto his stomach and pinning his arms, instead of wasting time punching him in the face? These guys, at the very least, suck at being cops on the beat.

sketchless

sketchless

Windsor, ON
April 2006

NOV 29, 2006 09:54 AM

PointBlank said:

Melrose said:
The guy is in a gang. I think its safe to say that he is guilty of some sort of crime.


I'm glad that your opinion of who is and isn't guilty of "some sort of crime" counts for shit.

I love cops. I love that they beat the shit out of people who have committed crimes that affect someone else. They deserve it. I have no sympathy for him. I have sympathy for the cops who have been taken off the streets and desk. Those cops make me feel safe.


I'm glad that the LAPD makes people in Windsor, ON feel safe. Otherwise the big bad gang members might grab you!



Do you even know where Windsor is? Check on a map. Perhaps living next to the 2nd most dangerous city in america instills fear in me.

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

NOV 29, 2006 09:57 AM

Melrose said:

PointBlank said:

Melrose said:
The guy is in a gang. I think its safe to say that he is guilty of some sort of crime.


I'm glad that your opinion of who is and isn't guilty of "some sort of crime" counts for shit.

I love cops. I love that they beat the shit out of people who have committed crimes that affect someone else. They deserve it. I have no sympathy for him. I have sympathy for the cops who have been taken off the streets and desk. Those cops make me feel safe.


I'm glad that the LAPD makes people in Windsor, ON feel safe. Otherwise the big bad gang members might grab you!



Do you even know where Windsor is? Check on a map. I have a reason to be afraid in my city.



Err...yes, I do. And it's not anywhere near LA. So I'm not really sure how a couple of shit police in LA "make you feel safer". Maybe do a little research on the history of excessive force and the LAPD before you post anymore half-thought-out shit.

camalot

camalot

Kitchener, ON
April 2006

NOV 29, 2006 09:58 AM

I'm reading a lot of posts talking about how the videos don't show what happened before. Was the suspect being uncooperative? Combative? We don't know, and we'll never know. And it shouldn't matter.

Power corrupts.

As officers of the law, it is their job to ENFORCE the law, protect citizens from those who break the law and ARREST the law breakers. Their job is not to dole out punishment for being resistant or beligerant or combative. The COURTS dole out the punishments. If a person does not have the capacity to accept their role and excercise restraint by doing their job exactly as they are supposed to then they have not one ounce of business wearing the uniform.

See, what happened before this clip, doesn't matter because clearly the two "officers" had the abillity to subdue the suspect, imobilize him and ARREST him. Pin the guy down and slap on the cuffs. But no, they exceeded their authority by taking it upon themselves to hand down a punishment. Was the suspect fighting the cops or struggling agains two attackers? I'm thinking the latter. If you were being held down by a knee on your throat while being repeatedly punched in the face would you go limp? No you would not. Why? Because we have a basic Flight or Fight instinct. Why would the fact that the attackers are cops make the situation any different? Guilty or not, the guy surely tried to run before he was pinned down. Once immobilized, his last resort was to fight back. What happens when an animal if cornered? It tries to run away. Failing that, it preperes to do battle. People are no different.

Was it necessary to kneel on the guys throat? No. Was it necessary to punch the guy in the face? Not a chance. At this point, they become no better than a common street thug and deserve no more consideration that that thug would get. If they want to crack skulls, go find a job as an asshole bouncer at some dive bar and crack all the skulls they want.

It amazes me what kind of people are handed a badge and a gun and sent out to enforce the law. It's fucking horseshit. Anyone who condones this sort of behavior from an authority figure needs to have their fucking head examined.

If someone is innocent and has nothing to hide, what reason is there to run? it's the guilty man that tries to flee, but boy, if you're a cop and you pin a guy down and basically attack him, DO NOT BE SURPRISED when the guy fights back.

sketchless

sketchless

Windsor, ON
April 2006

NOV 29, 2006 10:02 AM

PointBlank said:

Melrose said:

PointBlank said:

Melrose said:
The guy is in a gang. I think its safe to say that he is guilty of some sort of crime.


I'm glad that your opinion of who is and isn't guilty of "some sort of crime" counts for shit.

I love cops. I love that they beat the shit out of people who have committed crimes that affect someone else. They deserve it. I have no sympathy for him. I have sympathy for the cops who have been taken off the streets and desk. Those cops make me feel safe.


I'm glad that the LAPD makes people in Windsor, ON feel safe. Otherwise the big bad gang members might grab you!



Do you even know where Windsor is? Check on a map. I have a reason to be afraid in my city.



Err...yes, I do. And it's not anywhere near LA. So I'm not really sure how a couple of shit police in LA "make you feel safer". Maybe do a little research on the history of excessive force and the LAPD before you post anymore half-thought-out shit.



I never said LAPD cops make me feel safe. I said "these cops make me feel safe." The ones that use excessive force, in general. I hate being surrounded by unintelligent people.

Au revoir!

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

NOV 29, 2006 10:05 AM

Melrose said:

PointBlank said:

Melrose said:

PointBlank said:

Melrose said:
The guy is in a gang. I think its safe to say that he is guilty of some sort of crime.


I'm glad that your opinion of who is and isn't guilty of "some sort of crime" counts for shit.

I love cops. I love that they beat the shit out of people who have committed crimes that affect someone else. They deserve it. I have no sympathy for him. I have sympathy for the cops who have been taken off the streets and desk. Those cops make me feel safe.


I'm glad that the LAPD makes people in Windsor, ON feel safe. Otherwise the big bad gang members might grab you!



Do you even know where Windsor is? Check on a map. I have a reason to be afraid in my city.



Err...yes, I do. And it's not anywhere near LA. So I'm not really sure how a couple of shit police in LA "make you feel safer". Maybe do a little research on the history of excessive force and the LAPD before you post anymore half-thought-out shit.



I never said LAPD cops make me feel safe. I said "these cops make me feel safe." The ones that use excessive force.



Another brilliant post. Glad to see where you stand. Always nice to see people applauding police brutality. Especially those who "hate being surrounded by unintelligent people." Quite a zing. I wonder if I'll ever recover from your butterknife-sharp wit. Declaring victory, running away (and changing your location!) is always a smart move.

saeval

saeval

Redondo Beach, CA
July 2006

NOV 29, 2006 10:07 AM

he needed to stop trying to get his arms free before they could flip him. the video shows that they were in an akward position, it also shows him resisting arrest the entire time. these officers do not deserve the punishment they recieved. meh. I'm done here.

Dark_Templar

Dark_Templar

Auburn, CA
June 2004

NOV 29, 2006 12:44 PM

saeval said:
he needed to stop trying to get his arms free before they could flip him. the video shows that they were in an akward position, it also shows him resisting arrest the entire time. these officers do not deserve the punishment they recieved. meh. I'm done here.




Word!
wink

Dark_Templar

Dark_Templar

Auburn, CA
June 2004

NOV 29, 2006 01:01 PM

This Funny Video shows "real" police brutality

Menelvagor

Menelvagor

I'm lost
March 2004

NOV 29, 2006 02:17 PM

The force used was not excessive. Assuming the details given by the officers in the arrest report are true (and there is no reason besides a sort of free-floating cynicism to think otherwise), that was a pretty much textbook use of empty-hand strikes to subdue an active resister. People seem to think that you can wrestle with the police and not get punched. This is incorrect.

The officers are on administrative leave because the feds are opening an investigation. Whenever an officer is under serious investigation they are almost universally taken off of regular duty.

Flipping him over and cuffing him was doubtless the plan, but they seem to be unable to control his arms. According to the arrest report, they had just ran a distance, fought with him for several minutes and maced him. He is still actively resisting and they cannot get his arms down, probably due to fatigue on their part and his arm strength (he's pulling up while the one cop is pulling down). In other portions of the video (a 4 second segment from an undisclosed time earlier or later in the fight, robably later), we see Cardenas on his stomach, with the same two officers holding his arms back, probably handcuffed.

If you are shouting "I can't breathe", you can breathe. I'd be much more concerned about his airway if he was NOT shouting something.

There is, literally, nothing here to merit the attention this has received, unless there is something in a still-unreleased portion of this video.

Nothing to see here. Move along.

Ridley

Ridley

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

NOV 29, 2006 07:36 PM

Misfit said:
You people are fuckin nuts!
Police Officers are, for the most part, the idiot jocks from high school who couldn't get into college, and got stuck in a uniform. Start off with racist tendencies, given a bit of power, a firearm, and a retracable club and dropped off in the poor part of town. Now they're ready to "clean up the scum".

These new technologies being used to keep track of cops is great. In the past you had to rely on word of mouth testimony, which is worth zero, or the rare occasion someone happened to have a bulky camcorder out and filming.



If you're worried about how some people acted in high school then you haven't grown up either.

The guy stole, then ran from police. He deserves to get his ass beat. He deserves to get his hand cut off really. Why is the country so soft on criminals? I'd be sympathetic if the guy hadn't done anything wrong. But as soon as you break the law, you should be punished, brutally even to deter you from doing it next time. These criminals making a buck because police were harsh and the media covering their lame stories is the real problem. If you break the law that should be the end of it. You get beaten, and you don't get any coverage for police brutality later...

undershaker

undershaker

Milwaukee, WI
November 2004

NOV 29, 2006 08:16 PM

From the city that gave us Daryl Gates, Stacy Coon, Rampart CRASH, & the collusion related to the third that felled Tupac & Biggie, then successfully covered it up, is any of this a surprise?

Now, where the f is Ice Cube when you need him, again?

Oh, that's right, he's filming the Got-damn sequel to Are we there yet?.

Menelvagor

Menelvagor

I'm lost
March 2004

NOV 30, 2006 02:24 AM

Well, that would seem to imply that the officers arresting Cardenas did something wrong. Near as I can see, they didn't. Unless you have seen more of the video? Or have some other info?

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