NEWS: 'To Catch a Predator' Sting Results in a Suicide

Suicide is natural under no circumstances trust me I learned that the hard way. There are people who clear their names of these such things and yes their is a stigma to it but that is because it is a sick fantasy. It's close in my mind to necrophilia (I most likely spelt that wrong). I'm not saying that justice is perfect its not but you have to have some pretty damning evidence to be falsely convicted for molestation. Do I believe that there are people who have been falsely convicted? Yes Do I believe that they would have falsely convicted this man if he was alive? No Do I believe false convictions are common in this kind of case? No and yes there is big differences between my experience and this but this is for one clear reason I wouldn't be caught in this predicament if a person messaged me and she was 13 the conversation would close if she brought up sexual topics and if not I would have a nice nonsexual conversation with a child. Part of being an adult is making choices and he made very bad choices and put himself in that position. The friend I brought up earlier got jailed for being careless he is a good guy and probably one of my better friends but he made poor choices on multiple fronts the difference between him and them is that if he knew the girl was a minor he wouldn't have continued the conversation. Do I think this guy got framed or otherwise put in a position due to other people? No I think it's an excuse and I do think the NBC report was needed to put a face to a rampant problem. This particular individuals problems was caused by his bad choices if he was innocent and has no one to blame but himself.

Dear Abangyarudo,

I was trying to read your post but had to stop when you asked yourself a plethora of questions and answered each one. It's difficult to take anyone seriously when they do that.

Love,
John aka "TheGringo"

Abangyarudo: I never said anything about convictions, false or otherwise. I was talking about the mere accusation being more than enough to taint someone's life forever. And accusations don't require any evidence at all, as we've also seen in this thread.

Its meant to prove a point like any of us this man had choices I wouldn't have chose what he did and he should be equally accountable. The questions themselves anyone could answer but its a matter of your own choices noone has dissagreed with me except for my feeling that he has done things in the past I don't expect any disagreements but of course its up to people if you would like to answer them feel free. As far as taking me seriously I said my opinion on the matter and could really care less how serious you find me

abangyarudo, I dub you an ineffective communicator. And kind of a jerk for bringing this ugly little thread back up.

The accusation only holds weight if you put yourself in a bad position which he did. If he was innocent and didn't chose something to make people think that he could be capable of it . In all honesty I would rather him find a reporter then find a 13 year old child which was obviously what he wanted to begin with. Heres how you know your making a wrong decision someone says their 13 and you still come on to them thats why he would have had problems and again he has noone to blame but himself in that regard.
The evidence is that he was caught having a sexual conversation with a minor which anyone would agree is sexually deviant behavior. Noone forced him to talk about sex with a minor he did it and obviously had a urge that could not be satisfied by older conversation partner. If he didn't put himself in that position there would be no evidence henceforth any accusation would be disregarded.

I haven't been around for a week and just saw the comments and discussing these news articles are a part of the news section if you don't like it why are you reading the comments anyway. I don't care what you think of my communication skills I also detest when someone chooses to put me down based on opinions and nonoffensive conversation. Honestly I don't care in the end but I believe it shows your mentality when you need to call someone a jerk over a opinion but thats just how I look at it and the great thing about discussions is we're free to dissagree.
I don't apperciate ruining a rather intelligent conversation with name calling everyone who has responded to my threads have made intelligent responses and put their opinions in so if you wish to put in a opinion feel free otherwise you can view the new stories without seeing the comments and you need to click to the last page of comments to even view them. I honestly don't see your point but like all have done on this thread so far, I respect your opinion but don't agree with your tactics. I would hope people will keep this thread away from calling anyone a jerk or any other name over differences in opinion.

Look, all it requires for an accusation of child molestation to be believable is for a given individual to spend any time at all around children and for them to have time they didn't spend with anyone who knows them. These apply to just about everyone. Would close friends and family believe their loved one is guilty? Quite possibly not (which, incidentally, is a problem in cases of incest, because it makes it that much harder to identify and stop things). But nobody gets through life dealing only with close friends and family. And the less well people know the person, the easier it is to believe heinous things of them regardless of the evidence. Especially when it's an emotionally laden crime like child molestation. Again, look at how rapidly people in this thread have jumped to unfounded conclusions (yourself included), and how violent the opinions that they formed about this man were.

It's not about guilt or innocence, it's about perception.

I don't care for TV, especially reality TV, but this is one show that I like, even though I don't watch it.

My opinion was based on the fact that he chooses to commit suicide instead of fighting the crime. This was due to all the evidence I had at hand. Whether its true or not he is not a victim of accusation what he would have been tried for would have been a charge of not molesting a minor but general deviancy because of the sexual conversation he had with the child. No one forced him to talk to the child none forced him to make sexual comments to the child and seemingly he was somewhat comfortable talking to the child.
I'm sorry but I also don't agree with the assumption that just because it has so much emotional bearing that people look over evidence quite frankly I think its pretty hard to get an accusation to stick. Its like say you were a friend of mine and I had a evil agenda and for some reason wanted to make such an accusation no one is going to believe it if I just say oh well he touched my child and I teach the child to say that because of lack of evidence. I would need to prove you had a sexual interest in the child and that you had the opportunity to make good on it. I personally don't know any stories where there hasn't been a "curious obsession" with young boys, an accurate scheduling where there was time to commit such an act. Besides for that evidence there has been a lot of cases involving sexual deviancy whether committed by or to them and some form of psychological problems or very weird behavior. If you have a case which doesn't have any of those including the two aforementioned main evidence then I'd like to see it but I believe if he is not guilty he made seriously bad choices but I do not see how it relived him of such problems cause now he knows any family he has could be disgraced by it cause he chose not to defeat the accusations and that he will be linked due to him choosing not to fight said accusations.
What I do believe is that if I am too look at all the evidence in the case it seems he has a problem with it seeing as he was comfortable talking sexually with young children. This is only a opinion which could be right could be wrong but in the end he helped promote this image by committing suicide and not giving us the chance to decide for ourselves if he really committed such actions. I know that some people won't let go but in the end that's because of the psychological compulsion to look at others problems before your own and those people will always believe anything they hear because its easier then analyzing the situation they have but in the end I do believe there has to be some evidence to support an accusation or it just doesn't stick.
On another note I wanted to say that you have been a real civil and intelligent person to have this discussion with and though I may not agree with your opinions you have kept this conversation respectful and intelligent. I respect your opinions as I hope you respect mine and regardless I like conversations in this fashion no one is right or wrong its all just opinions.

+1

Extremely well said.

I hate this thread.

This may just be the biggest +1 I've ever wanted to give.

What she said.

Don't like it don't read it

If only all your replies could be so short and pithy.

Sorry, every time I see the word pithy, I have an overwhelming urge to post that photo.

Please, everyone, carry on around my strange urges.

Honestly, your reply is more worthwhile than many in this thread.