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Margot_Dent

Margot_Dent

Los Angeles, CA
February 2004

OCT 25, 2006 02:15 PM

SirPsychoSexy said:
Maybe he just cashing out to use the money to fund more art terrorism.biggrin biggrin



yeah. right.

NinjaTech

NinjaTech

Minneapolis, MN
November 2003

OCT 25, 2006 04:15 PM

courtneyriot said:
I'm with lil_tuffy on this.
You can't tell me what he did is ground breaking or even subversive! I like Banksy. But there is nothing impressive about what he did with the Moss prints.



Their is one thing that is impressive/noteworthy. The amount of money the prints sold for and how quickly they sold.

The Yes Men (of which I am a huge fan) are anti-corporate and anti-globalization. Banksy is more anti-pop culture. I find it a thin straw to grab at to label Bichlbaum, Bonanno, and the like avant garde. An even weaker straw to claim the Banksy's "work" is a modernized (?) version of what the Yes Men were/are doing.

StarBelliedBoy

StarBelliedBoy

Philadelphia, PA
December 2003

OCT 25, 2006 04:24 PM

NinjaTech said:

courtneyriot said:
I'm with lil_tuffy on this.
You can't tell me what he did is ground breaking or even subversive! I like Banksy. But there is nothing impressive about what he did with the Moss prints.



Their is one thing that is impressive/noteworthy. The amount of money the prints sold for and how quickly they sold.

The Yes Men (of which I am a huge fan) are anti-corporate and anti-globalization. Banksy is more anti-pop culture. I find it a thin straw to grab at to label Bichlbaum, Bonanno, and the like avant garde. An even weaker straw to claim the Banksy's "work" is a modernized (?) version of what the Yes Men were/are doing.



At this point, I'd say Banksy is just straight-up pop culture.

NinjaTech

NinjaTech

Minneapolis, MN
November 2003

OCT 25, 2006 04:50 PM

StarBelliedBoy said:

NinjaTech said:

courtneyriot said:
I'm with lil_tuffy on this.
You can't tell me what he did is ground breaking or even subversive! I like Banksy. But there is nothing impressive about what he did with the Moss prints.



Their is one thing that is impressive/noteworthy. The amount of money the prints sold for and how quickly they sold.

The Yes Men (of which I am a huge fan) are anti-corporate and anti-globalization. Banksy is more anti-pop culture. I find it a thin straw to grab at to label Bichlbaum, Bonanno, and the like avant garde. An even weaker straw to claim the Banksy's "work" is a modernized (?) version of what the Yes Men were/are doing.



At this point, I'd say Banksy is just straight-up pop culture.



You may be right, but that doesn't change the intonation of his previous "works." Or even this current one.

Hell, Che Guevara is practically pop culture now. That doesn't negate his status as a revolutionary. (This is a poor example, I know. Just go with me on it.)

courtneyriot

courtneyriot

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

OCT 25, 2006 04:54 PM

StarBelliedBoy said:
At this point, I'd say Banksy is just straight-up pop culture.



agreed times 10.

Cassiel

Cassiel

Aurora, CO
September 2004

OCT 25, 2006 05:02 PM

I do so adore Kate Moss.

Phantasy

Phantasy

Australia
October 2005

OCT 25, 2006 05:19 PM

toothpickmoe said:

lil_tuffy said:
banksy might as well shit on a plate at this point.

Lil_Tuffy



I bid $100!



$150!

freelithiumpicni

freelithiumpicni

Antigua And Barbuda
November 2005

OCT 25, 2006 08:39 PM

lil_tuffy said:
banksy might as well shit on a plate at this point.

Lil_Tuffy



Or tin his shit....

turin

turin

Denver, CO
October 2003

OCT 25, 2006 08:45 PM

considering he's an "art terrorist" or whatever, I'd guess that getting paid 50k was the entire artistic point, rather than the painting itself.

StarBelliedBoy

StarBelliedBoy

Philadelphia, PA
December 2003

OCT 25, 2006 08:47 PM

turin said:
considering he's an "art terrorist" or whatever, I'd guess that getting paid 50k was the entire artistic point, rather than the painting itself.


Yeah, the "artistic" point...

turin

turin

Denver, CO
October 2003

OCT 25, 2006 08:50 PM

StarBelliedBoy said:

turin said:
considering he's an "art terrorist" or whatever, I'd guess that getting paid 50k was the entire artistic point, rather than the painting itself.


Yeah, the "artistic" point...



I'm pretty sure thousands of starving artists around the world have been racking their brains trying to think of a way to make a respectable artistic statement out of cynically cashing in. fucking brilliant, if you ask me!

moMNtum

moMNtum

Saint Paul, MN
March 2006

OCT 25, 2006 10:44 PM

lil_tuffy, I wish more people would tell you to just shut up.

StarBelliedBoy

StarBelliedBoy

Philadelphia, PA
December 2003

OCT 25, 2006 10:52 PM

moMNtum said:
lil_tuffy, I wish more people would tell you to just shut up.


Maybe instead of indirectly telling one of the mods to shut up, you should try and back up what you say in the slightest bit.

turin

turin

Denver, CO
October 2003

OCT 25, 2006 10:58 PM

moMNtum said:
lil_tuffy, I wish more people would tell you to just shut up.



so what are you waiting for?

moMNtum

moMNtum

Saint Paul, MN
March 2006

OCT 25, 2006 11:28 PM

Andy Warhol addressed the way people become numb to a specific trope when pounded over the head with it in a repetitive manner. Marilyn wasn't his first such piece. He compiled hundreds of serigraphs of appropriated imagery to further drive home the fact that the more a person sees of one thing, the less it means to them (I don't know about you, but if I were to type or read a word thirty times on end, it would pretty much lose all meaning to me.), and the less it works as a signifier of its original meaning. This is kind of ironic when you take into account the fact that Marilyn's is among the most appropriated styles in all of modern art/pop culture.

Kate Moss was recently hailed most influential celebrity in the world. By using her face repetitively, Banksy seeks to undermine her celebrity, turning her into a mere image. One without connotation.

When I saw what Banksy had done, my initial reaction was "Whatever. I've seen that before." Then, I thought about it for a second and it clicked: Banksy appropriated Warhol not to deaden our reaction to Kate Moss' image—though he succeeds there—but to intensify Warhol's message at a point where it had almost fallen into itself.

Dunno if that means everything I intended. Ask for clarification if you want. I'm bad at making other people understand the way I think... which is poorly.

Also, sorry for being an untethered dick.

Margot_Dent

Margot_Dent

Los Angeles, CA
February 2004

OCT 26, 2006 02:50 AM

moMNtum said:
Andy Warhol addressed the way people become numb to a specific trope when pounded over the head with it in a repetitive manner. Marilyn wasn't his first such piece. He compiled hundreds of serigraphs of appropriated imagery to further drive home the fact that the more a person sees of one thing, the less it means to them (I don't know about you, but if I were to type or read a word thirty times on end, it would pretty much lose all meaning to me.), and the less it works as a signifier of its original meaning. This is kind of ironic when you take into account the fact that Marilyn's is among the most appropriated styles in all of modern art/pop culture.

Kate Moss was recently hailed most influential celebrity in the world. By using her face repetitively, Banksy seeks to undermine her celebrity, turning her into a mere image. One without connotation.

When I saw what Banksy had done, my initial reaction was "Whatever. I've seen that before." Then, I thought about it for a second and it clicked: Banksy appropriated Warhol not to deaden our reaction to Kate Moss' image—though he succeeds there—but to intensify Warhol's message at a point where it had almost fallen into itself.

Dunno if that means everything I intended. Ask for clarification if you want. I'm bad at making other people understand the way I think... which is poorly.

Also, sorry for being an untethered dick.




and to me it just looks like he totally "phoned it in" with some hackneyed parody just to make a few grand. whatevs.

moMNtum

moMNtum

Saint Paul, MN
March 2006

OCT 26, 2006 12:07 PM

Margot_Dent said:
and to me it just looks like he totally "phoned it in" with some hackneyed parody just to make a few grand. whatevs.


Um... 'kay. That's fine.

Another thing I thought was funny was that Varnavides said "Moss was happy about Banksy using her image in an iconic way," when I view it as 100% iconoclastic. Not just a picture.

Seriously. I think a lot (though not all) of Banksy's work is set up this way, so that most viewers miss the point completely.

He is an "art terrorist."

Lily

Lily

SUICIDEGIRL

Quebec, Canada

OCT 28, 2006 09:21 AM

This is unimpressive

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