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PopMonger

PopMonger

Los Angeles, CA
June 2006

SEP 27, 2006 06:20 PM

It’s sweet to know that bartenders look out for the ladies by making sure we don’t get too sloshed. Why else would women’s drinks routinely be weaker than the same drinks served to men? Could it be that they think we won’t notice the difference?

That’s the question that drove a New York Times reporter with an appreciation for hard liquor to visit several bars and restaurants in the city, sampling cocktails along the way. Aside from people being surprised that women enjoy things other than a wine spritzer, she came to another conclusion: Women are being shafted.

A few weeks ago I settled down at the bar at Lombardi’s for the inevitable table wait for one of those sublime pizzas and ordered my drink. My husband ordered the same thing.

I watched as the bartender filled two tall glasses with ice. He poured bourbon into the first glass, a healthy amount, then squirted some soda on top. In the second glass he poured the bourbon and soda simultaneously, rendering it the color of a weak ginger ale. Guess which one was mine?


According to the reporter, the problem extends to restaurants too, where conscientious waiters make sure women aren’t exposed to insufficiently diluted booze.

Seated at a table, I was a gender-blind customer as far as the bartender was concerned. But when the tray of drinks arrived, I realized that two men at the table had ordered the same as I had, Maker’s Mark in a tall glass with soda. The waiter was male, and sure enough, the drink lightest in color was served to me.


Discrimination! Yet there is hope for those of who want a stiff one without having to dangle sex in front of a male bartender - seek out our sisters. According to the unscientific study, female bartenders always pour a more generous drink.

teamsteele

teamsteele

I'm lost
November 2005

SEP 30, 2006 10:10 AM

Yeah, but do you know how hard it is to get a strong glass of Strawberry Boon's Farm as a guy?

twiglet

twiglet

United Kingdom
December 2005

SEP 30, 2006 10:14 AM

i am both shocked and appaled!

as a bartender here in the uk (with our good old weights and measures act) i can say this would piss me right off if i happened to be fenale and living in the us of a...

Pechorin

Pechorin

Norway
February 2005

SEP 30, 2006 10:32 AM

This is an outrage!

Women have the same right to get pissed and throw up in the street as the rest of us.
tongue

MrStitches

MrStitches

Brooklyn, NY
November 2003

SEP 30, 2006 10:49 AM

Simple solution: drink the bourbon straight instead of ruining it with soda.

I wonder how widespread this sort of thing is. It's extraordinarily silly.

Krass_of_nod

Krass_of_nod

Bend, OR
April 2005

SEP 30, 2006 10:53 AM

Well, there is an observation from the sociological perspective. Women tend to complain about drinks being to strong. Men on the other hand are often trying to get the drinks stiffer especially if out with friends and trying to impress them. So I am stating as theory that perhaps this is because of this "gender based preference" recieved by bartenders as to how men and women like thier drinks. I have worked in bars, and I can say they are the busiest places i have ever worked. In that situation day after day things can become routine very easily. Of course not all women like diluted drinks, but if the majority of them are complaining that it is to strong then the response as outlined in this topic would logically follow.

I also see no evidence of drinks made in places where women are tending the bar. it would be interesting to compare the data sets. If it turns out that the women bartenders serve similar amounts of alcohol per drink working on both obvously having it for a woman and another having it less obvious that the other drink is for a woman study then it would follow that my theory is wrong and some men bartenders do need some bitch slappins.

_DictionaryGirl_

_DictionaryGirl_

NEWSWIRE

San Diego, CA

SEP 30, 2006 10:58 AM

Yet another obstacle toward my goal of drinking my boyfriend under the table?! blackeyed

(Seriously though: not surprising at all, but insulting nonetheless.)

AnalogPussy

AnalogPussy

Burnaby, BC
August 2004

SEP 30, 2006 11:02 AM

Heh, were I worked we had a new pouring system installed, automatic button system so that it came out to the exact ammount of alchol ordered, the only thing that wasnt like that was barstock and even then since it was a night club we way overpoured because we are in a hurry and pour it right over the glass so any run-off extra fell into the glass, always got a good strong drink there... well that and nightclubs want you drunk so you buy more biggrin

turin

turin

Denver, CO
October 2003

SEP 30, 2006 11:02 AM

_DictionaryGirl_ said:
Yet another obstacle toward my goal of drinking my boyfriend under the table?! blackeyed

(Seriously though: not surprising at all, but insulting nonetheless.)



obstacle? if you're going drink by drink, it's an advantage!

d_day

d_day

San Bernardino, CA
July 2002

SEP 30, 2006 11:03 AM

_DictionaryGirl_ said:
Yet another obstacle toward my goal of drinking my boyfriend under the table?! blackeyed

(Seriously though: not surprising at all, but insulting nonetheless.)



How is it an obstacle if you're getting less booze? Your 8 drinks are weaker than his 8 drinks. He doesn't need to know that! tongue

AlistairMather

AlistairMather

Tonawanda, NY
August 2002

SEP 30, 2006 11:07 AM

Its about profit. As a bartender, you get almost no single women in a bar. Women tend to enter with a male escort, or with a group of their friends. In either case, it is almost certain, that the female will be paying for fewer drinks, especially if you have at least two or three single males already at the bar. Knowing this, I water the drinks down so that the women can drink longer. Most guys tip better when they're with a woman, or when they are buying for one. Therefore, the longer the female can drink, the more I sell, the better my tips.

And as a sociological note: most guys I have observed in bars are deeply impressed by a woman who can hold her liquor. (Not entirely sure why, as most of my female friends drink like sailors on shore leave. Every day. I probably just hang out with a strange breed of women. Which is lovely, as I tend to get bored with routine circumstances...) If a guy thinks a girl can drink, he will inevitably try to drink her under the table. By watering down her drinks in that scenario, not only do I get to throw some drunk asshole out, I also score a lot more sales, and get to make guys stand in awe of women everywhere.

But mostly its about money.

Andvari

Andvari

Calgary, AB
April 2005

SEP 30, 2006 11:15 AM

Whoohoo, I was just in Lombardi's.

Not germanine, I know.

SirPsychoSexy

SirPsychoSexy

Ridgewood, NJ
January 2004

SEP 30, 2006 11:24 AM

Krass_of_nod said:
Well, there is an observation from the sociological perspective. Women tend to complain about drinks being to strong. Men on the other hand are often trying to get the drinks stiffer especially if out with friends and trying to impress them.



Bingo.

It's not that we serve women less, we serve women the generally accepted correct amount. When theres a macho asshole, they usually complain that the correct amount of liquor is "weak ass" or some such other colorful comment. When you have 10 of them in a row, you really don't need 10 dumb comments. If its a normal person, they are served normally.

I pour heavy handed anyway, because I work in a restaurant with large meals. It makes people tip better when the check comes wink

There is alot of assumption behind the bar, is it always right? No. Does it make most of the customers happy? Pretty much.
Its not like we're running an all white country club whatever

Reaver

Reaver

I'm lost
August 2003

SEP 30, 2006 11:25 AM

What is wrong with these people, women should be served stronger drinks so they get all crazy!

Damned idiots.

oink

StarBelliedBoy

StarBelliedBoy

Philadelphia, PA
December 2003

SEP 30, 2006 11:26 AM

I have no problem with this.

bendingunit23

bendingunit23

Canada
April 2005

SEP 30, 2006 11:30 AM

MrStitches said:
Simple solution: drink the bourbon straight instead of ruining it with soda.

I wonder how widespread this sort of thing is. It's extraordinarily silly.



damn straight makers mark is nice stuff stop poluting it with your soda, ice, water fruit juice and little unbrellas

StarBelliedBoy

StarBelliedBoy

Philadelphia, PA
December 2003

SEP 30, 2006 11:37 AM

bendingunit23 said:

MrStitches said:
Simple solution: drink the bourbon straight instead of ruining it with soda.

I wonder how widespread this sort of thing is. It's extraordinarily silly.



damn straight makers mark is nice stuff stop poluting it with your soda, ice, water fruit juice and little unbrellas


You should probably try polluting this post with a little more punctuation.

RefuseMattM

RefuseMattM

United Kingdom
December 2004

SEP 30, 2006 11:41 AM

Very odd. Especially considering that men are much more likely to get punchy and aggressive when drunk.

Anyone who is in a drunken mess should just be kicked out of the bar/club, simple as that. Not serve them weaker drinks!

One of my pet hates is people who can't handle their booze, and yet continue to drink and make a total arse out of themself.

_DictionaryGirl_

_DictionaryGirl_

NEWSWIRE

San Diego, CA

SEP 30, 2006 11:52 AM

turin said:

_DictionaryGirl_ said:
Yet another obstacle toward my goal of drinking my boyfriend under the table?! blackeyed

(Seriously though: not surprising at all, but insulting nonetheless.)



obstacle? if you're going drink by drink, it's an advantage!



Ah, good point. I was thinking matching volume per volume of alcohol. Exxxxcellent. ARRR!!!

imagoldfish

imagoldfish

Chicago, IL
April 2003

SEP 30, 2006 11:54 AM

Why not say something?

"Excuse me. I know that I appear to be a delicate little flower, but even daisies need water. By which I mean whiskey. Ignore my fabulous tits for just one moment, and poor me a real fucking drink. Thanks."

Seems to work for me.

emotedcreations

emotedcreations

Germany
July 2006

SEP 30, 2006 11:54 AM

It's a conspiracy!

Roethke

Roethke

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

SEP 30, 2006 12:23 PM

AlistairMather said:
Its about profit. As a bartender, you get almost no single women in a bar. Women tend to enter with a male escort, or with a group of their friends. In either case, it is almost certain, that the female will be paying for fewer drinks, especially if you have at least two or three single males already at the bar. Knowing this, I water the drinks down so that the women can drink longer. Most guys tip better when they're with a woman, or when they are buying for one. Therefore, the longer the female can drink, the more I sell, the better my tips.

And as a sociological note: most guys I have observed in bars are deeply impressed by a woman who can hold her liquor. (Not entirely sure why, as most of my female friends drink like sailors on shore leave. Every day. I probably just hang out with a strange breed of women. Which is lovely, as I tend to get bored with routine circumstances...) If a guy thinks a girl can drink, he will inevitably try to drink her under the table. By watering down her drinks in that scenario, not only do I get to throw some drunk asshole out, I also score a lot more sales, and get to make guys stand in awe of women everywhere.

But mostly its about money.



Wow, you're a bastard. Where do you work so I can make a note to never patronize it as you intend to basically rob from me?

mrpenbrook

mrpenbrook

Oak Park, IL
February 2004

SEP 30, 2006 12:28 PM

Roethke said:

AlistairMather said:
Its about profit. As a bartender, you get almost no single women in a bar. Women tend to enter with a male escort, or with a group of their friends. In either case, it is almost certain, that the female will be paying for fewer drinks, especially if you have at least two or three single males already at the bar. Knowing this, I water the drinks down so that the women can drink longer. Most guys tip better when they're with a woman, or when they are buying for one. Therefore, the longer the female can drink, the more I sell, the better my tips.

And as a sociological note: most guys I have observed in bars are deeply impressed by a woman who can hold her liquor. (Not entirely sure why, as most of my female friends drink like sailors on shore leave. Every day. I probably just hang out with a strange breed of women. Which is lovely, as I tend to get bored with routine circumstances...) If a guy thinks a girl can drink, he will inevitably try to drink her under the table. By watering down her drinks in that scenario, not only do I get to throw some drunk asshole out, I also score a lot more sales, and get to make guys stand in awe of women everywhere.

But mostly its about money.



Wow, you're a bastard. Where do you work so I can make a note to never patronize it as you intend to basically rob from me?



LOL

Can't you use your fantastic Suicide Girl powers and get him zotted? I mean, sure he wasn't abusive or rude to anyone, but there should be some penalty for threatening to get people less drunk.

FreakPirate

FreakPirate

Canada
November 2002

SEP 30, 2006 12:29 PM

I'm firmly against this practice as it is already damn embarassing watching cirdt drink me under the table without her getting help.

Cigarette

Cigarette

Cleveland, OH
April 2004

SEP 30, 2006 12:33 PM

Isn't it balanced out by getting all your drinks but your first free?

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