dholokov said:
and going by my girlfriend's experience, the best way to combat depression is neither pillls nor exercise but chocolate fudge sundays and long distance phone calls to mother.
I completely agree with her. Also, all people who use absolutes are stupid.
jake_lex said:
The problem with Cruise's anti-psychiatry comments is his motives. If he were saying it to get people to seriously question the use of so many psychiatric drugs, that's fine, and fair. But he's doing it with the intent of replacing that with going to some storefront "center" in a strip mall to let members of his wackjob UFO cult have you hold on to two tin cans to tell you that alien ghosts are causing all your problems.
He's being glib.
The problem with Cruise's anti-psychiatry statements, is that they are an integral part of the cult programming. I.E. the very typical and well documented brainwashing techniques used by organizations such as Scientology generally MUST include some mechanism to separate the cultists from the influences of outside corrective measures.
Some use isolationism, some use "overseer" techniques, some...as in the case of Scientology...use the technique of discrediting the primary influence that might break the brainwashing so as to prevent cultists contact with it.
It's pretty brilliant, actually, and is one of the reasons the cult has been able to grow so large. Isolative techniques give you a maximum group size, whereas if you can get your cultists to actively avoid psychiatry of their own volition, you don't have to isolate them and they can be left free to roam society...allowing for unlimited growth.
jake_lex said:
The problem with Cruise's anti-psychiatry comments is his motives. If he were saying it to get people to seriously question the use of so many psychiatric drugs, that's fine, and fair. But he's doing it with the intent of replacing that with going to some storefront "center" in a strip mall to let members of his wackjob UFO cult have you hold on to two tin cans to tell you that alien ghosts are causing all your problems.
He's being glib.
The problem with Cruise's anti-psychiatry statements, is that they are an integral part of the cult programming. I.E. the very typical and well documented brainwashing techniques used by organizations such as Scientology generally MUST include some mechanism to separate the cultists from the influences of outside corrective measures.
Some use isolationism, some use "overseer" techniques, some...as in the case of Scientology...use the technique of discrediting the primary influence that might break the brainwashing so as to prevent cultists contact with it.
It's pretty brilliant, actually, and is one of the reasons the cult has been able to grow so large. Isolative techniques give you a maximum group size, whereas if you can get your cultists to actively avoid psychiatry of their own volition, you don't have to isolate them and they can be left free to roam society...allowing for unlimited growth.
Yeah, very definitely. In either case, I don't consider what Cruise is doing to be a legitimate critique of psychiatry that's worth taking seriously.
I wonder if, in the end, Cruise's public espousal of his Scientologist beliefs will start to be the undoing of this group. I mean, a lot more people have heard the name Xenu than did before, right?
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Skribbo
United Kingdom
April 2006
SEP 03, 2006 04:20 PM
In all seriousness, who's your favorite scientologist? I'm a Travolta man myself.
How could somebody with even the most basic of logic skills not see the hypocrisy in calling psychiatry a "pseudo science" whilst simultaneously believing in an alien called Xenu, that humans came to be on Earth via "space planes" and adhering to a religion written by a science fiction writer who was drinking lots of rum at the time he wrote it?
CaptainHook said:
Personally, I think the real Tom Cruise is chained to a wall in the basement of the Scientology Celebrity Center like the Man in the Iron Mask. The Tom Cruise that's been making an ass out of himself the past few years is a robot whose program has gone bad, kinda like Yul Brynner in Westworld.
On Thursday, Cruise "came over to my house and he gave me a heartfelt apology," Shields, 41, told Leno. "And he apologized for bringing me into the whole thing and for everything that happened.
"And through it all, I was so impressed with how heartfelt it was. And I didn't feel at any time that I had to defend myself, nor did I feel that he was trying to convince me of anything other than the fact that he was deeply sorry. And I accepted it."
Um... he's an ACTOR. He's paid to come across as heartfelt and sincere. Personally, I would have squirted him with some water, told him that being in the closet is so '89, and slammed the door in his face.
CaptainHook said:
Personally, I think the real Tom Cruise is chained to a wall in the basement of the Scientology Celebrity Center like the Man in the Iron Mask. The Tom Cruise that's been making an ass out of himself the past few years is a robot whose program has gone bad, kinda like Yul Brynner in Westworld.
CaptainHook said:
Personally, I think the real Tom Cruise is chained to a wall in the basement of the Scientology Celebrity Center like the Man in the Iron Mask. The Tom Cruise that's been making an ass out of himself the past few years is a robot whose program has gone bad, kinda like Yul Brynner in Westworld.
This actually sound believable to me.
O.K. We need to put together a rescue team.
Ving Rhames should be on that team.
As long as we send in the Ving from Dawn of the Dead.
jake_lex said:
I wonder if, in the end, Cruise's public espousal of his Scientologist beliefs will start to be the undoing of this group. I mean, a lot more people have heard the name Xenu than did before, right?
Seriously. He doesn't seem like a very effective representitive considering how many jokes he's become the punch-line to and how many people have been appalled by his behavior. "Any press is good press" certainly doesn't apply to a group that wants you to think they'll save your life/soul.
jake_lex said:
I wonder if, in the end, Cruise's public espousal of his Scientologist beliefs will start to be the undoing of this group. I mean, a lot more people have heard the name Xenu than did before, right?
Seriously. He doesn't seem like a very effective representitive considering how many jokes he's become the punch-line to and how many people have been appalled by his behavior. "Any press is good press" certainly doesn't apply to a group that wants you to think they'll save your life/soul.
Scientology doesn't really worry about having a ton of converts. They'd rather have ten crazy millionaires than a million sane poor people.
"And through it all, I was so impressed with how heartfelt it was. And I didn't feel at any time that I had to defend myself, nor did I feel that he was trying to convince me of anything other than the fact that he was deeply sorry. And I accepted it."
Vestril
Coronado, CA
February 2003
SEP 03, 2006 01:32 PM