Training collars

There is nothing wrong with these collars, They are very humane, and do not hurt the dog in any way as long as they are used properly. They are for trainuing and walking only, and are not just for big dogs, but for any dog really as they do come in much smaller sizes. They are much better that the traditional chock collars, which can definately hurt a dog's neck. I have used them before, and I highly reccomend them for training purposes.

Surely that's just a dog torture device?

I have always used a standard choke chain on all of our large dogs no matter where we have lived. I do not ever want to own a dog that must be controlled with that type of collar. If a dog needs that kind of collar, it is the owners fault for not training the dog correctly.

My husband bought one for our dog, and I refused to let him put it on him. To prove to me that it wouldn't hurt him, he put it around my bare leg and pulled on it. No, it doesn't hurt. I am guessing that the reasoning behind using one of those rather than a standard choke chain is that when you snap it up, it makes a 'biting' sensation on the dog's neck. It is a pack dominance thing, not a pain thing. When used correctly (stressing correctly) it does not in any way hurt the dog. I would rather use that for a few months to teach my dog how to walk on a leash than have him constantly choking himself straining against a collar.

You dont need one if you train your dog.

Many people use them as an alternative to training, because that takes effort.

Although the collars are not nessecerily cruel, they can be misused and are unneccesary.

Especially as there are alternatives such as harness' that lift a dog up, etc.

These collars actually work for the better in training your dog, you just give a quick tug as you are giving a command, and they learn....it is not a torture device...and to say that its the owners fault for not training their dog correctly thus having to use that collar is just wrong!!!!

Everyone has their opinions on what is the best way to train a dog. Not every dog is the same, and you can't train them all in the same way. My dog didn't just need to be taught how to walk on a leash, he was also a hunting dog, and I promise you, training a hunting dog isn't 'taking the easy way out' for anything.

Big dogs are pretty immune to the pain of those, but I see no reason to use them. My bud has topped out at around 90 lbs and the main control device is verbal. He feels worse displeasing me than he ever would from some physical response. Contact was needed to get him that way but it wasn't abusive.
His parents were very dominant and so is he, and it took me showing him that I was the alpha to get him in line. I literally would pin him down when he did something wrong. He would try to wiggle free, but I would just pin him in place and firmly tell him what was what. Between that and working on commands and play, a dog learns respect and love. I don't even need to tie him up as he responds to verbal commands so well.
I think those are for people that are not willing to spend the very real amount of time it takes to properly train a dog.

BTW my friends parents had a shock collar for their dog when we were in highschool, no game of truth or dare should be without one!

All of this "not taking the right amount of time to train a dog" is bullshit.

We spent hours every day training our dog. Made special trips to lakes and ponds to teach him water training. He isn't abused in any way, and if you could see him laying on our couch eating popcorn with me, or sitting there in a Texans jersey with my husband during football games, even the most tenderhearted PETA advocate would melt. If I thought that that collar hurt him in any way, I would never have allowed my husband to put it on him. There is a mistake in assuming that the only training method used on the dog is that collar. It is coupled with strenous verbal, regular leash, and hand signals.

Might be kind of fun to use in BDSM use. Not that I know firsthand... *ahem*

Though the barbs look unpointed, they're obviously angled to "dig in" to whatever is wearing them. In the case of a dog, there's going to be unavoidable tugging/straining at the collar, even if the dog is behaving 100%; seems somewhat unfair to punish the dog with some stabs in the neck for doing natural movements during a walk. If it's used for special purposes-- like the above-mentioned training-- it's probably not so bad, but everyday use? Bleah.

We had a regular collar/leash on him, and then this seperate but worn at the same time. When he was acting up, a quick snap on the biting choker was all that was needed. For the majority of the walk, he was just being walked with a regular collar.

and happy birthday

Sounds like a good compromise-- slack can be kept on the biting collar until needed, with tension in the normal collar. I guess my concern is with people using the barbed thing as an everyday collar rather than a special training device.

And thanks! Forgot it was my birthday (3rd shift worker, difficult to remember which day is which)!

Actually, these are just as dangerous as a choke collar. Instead of crushing the wind pipe with a choker, these can pierce the skin and the wind pipe.

There are only two collars that constrict around thee neck that are safe and approved by most training and animal rights organizations.

I guarantee that with a Gentle Leader and a chest harness, I can control 90% of dogs BETTER than those using a choker.

P.S. Carmen, let me know what neighborhood it is... I'll Bridge & Tunnel from NJ to kick those people in the balls!

IMPROPER use of those collars can cause damage. Don't assume that everyone who uses one uses it to torture their fucking dogs with. I could choke a dog to death with a regular collar if I was so inclined.

Where the fuck did I assume anything? I simply stated the dangers of these collars. ANY collar can choke a dog to death, I'm not a moron and yes - most of the fucking assholes using these collars ARE torturing their dogs. How many of them actually are trained in using this type of collar?

I understand that in the assbackwards land of Bush they call Texas, things are different - but reality is what it is and these are methods of torture.

Not that I know anything about the subject personally, but I did see an interesting TV program once

It was about a guy who took care of dogs which were dangerously out of control. He very much agreed with noirkiss3, that dogs are pack animals, they're happier knowing their place in a pack. Walking them didn't need collars and leads, for one thing there were just too many, because they were acting like a pack with him as the alpha.

i have a standard choke chain for my dog, but thats because every other type of collar ive bought her, she's chewed right through.

Oh, look, a jab about me being from Texas. How very...brilliant of you. Such an original thought you have there. We ain't nothin but a bunch of dumb rednecks because Bush can't say 'nuclear'

Those collars themselves are not torture devices, like I said I put the collar on my bare leg and jerked on it to guage how badly it hurt. And it didn't. At all. I jerked harder on my own leg than I ever did my dog. I am quite sure that some people using those collars do misuse them, but I have also seen dogs straining at regular collars until they are wheezing because their OWNERS are idiots. It isn't because the collar itself is a torture device. Anyone who MISUSES this collar are more than likely the same kind of fucks that would MISUSE any type of training device in order to use pain to train their animal.

I use a pincher collar just like the one pictures. I have a Pointer mix who is very loving and full of energy.
I HAVE trained her since she was a pup and she knows that mama's word is LAW.
But I still can't take her out with out one of those collars.
She is very strong and could drag me down the street with out one of those things.
Does she drag me down the street because I didn't train her?
Nope
She drags me around because she is excited.once she has calmed down from the excitement of going for a walk the pincher chain will hang loosely off her neck for the remainder of the walk. She knows not to pull me, but if she starts to, a simple tug will remind her that I am in control. Its just like when someone comes over to visit, she gets excited and wants to jump up and lick their face and I may need to apply some pressure to the collar area (area i.e. she doesn't wear all the time) to get her to sit down. Thats how dogs know whos boss.
When i used a choke chain she just didn't get it. and she would make awful noises. this collar is the best trainer I've ever used.
I'm glad when I see people using them, it ussually means they have a well behaved dog.

I use this type of collar with my chow. She's got a massive amount of hair, and the pinch tends to get tangled less than an normal "choke" chain.
I use it only when out walking around with her, and due to wonderful training on both my part and hers, I hardly, if ever, have to pull it taught against her neck.


As long as the owner knows how to properly use a collar like this, I see no problem with it.

But you are from Texas and therefore don't know anything.

Let's have stupid backwards Texas sex!

*humps silly*

I want to know where this came from.

*humps dreamer*