catdad said:
It's also quite possible that suicide might happen sooner for many of these women if they were unable to get the boob jobs. The temporary, superficial boost in self-esteem might postpone it. And if I remember correctly from reading or TV in the 80's, depression related to the loss of a boob or boobs due to a mastectomy was very strongly driven by the perceived sense of being less than a complete woman because of it. If your boobs define (or contribute to) your perception of your self, you're going to have some challenges in life. Then again, self-esteem issues are going to continue to manifest themselves until the underlying psychological problems are addressed. Boobs this month, butt next month, skin the month after that, etc.
Mastectomy are a totally different thing, I think it is understood we are talking only of people that do it for vanity.
catdad said:
It's also quite possible that suicide might happen sooner for many of these women if they were unable to get the boob jobs. The temporary, superficial boost in self-esteem might postpone it.
I read a similar thing in a clever philosophy primer. Say a study finds a significant correllation between necatrines and nosebleeds. Does that prove nectarines cause nosebleeds? Actually, it turns out to be the opposite. People with a vitamin X deficiency are more prone to nosebleeds and nectarines have a small amount of X. People with vitamin X deficiency tend to seek out nectarines when their X is low and without nectarines, there would actually be more nosebleeds.
One thing I've noticed on SG (and other message boards) is that stories about scientific studies tend to be greeted smugly if it's what the reader wants to hear and derisively if it's not. The smugs say, "See? Told you so!" and the derisives try to question the science of the study. Not to say that everyone here is doing that, there's actually some good discussion going on in this thread.
That is like the reports were someone says "99% of serial killers use pornography" or "95% of heroin users say they have used marijuana"
How many porn users never kill anyone and how many pot smokers never use hard drugs?
It is a funny game.
BTW I am right 99% of the time
Subrosa said:
I see what you're saying and I'm not necessarily disagreeing with most of your general conclusions, but I can only speak to my own experience. I got my tattoo for a NUMBER of reasons. But I'd be lying if I said it wasn't, on some level a desire to be more accepted/attractive and also to feel more comfortable in my own skin. I've also considered (not especially seriously, but still enough to warrant mentioning) at times getting certain elective plastic surgeries to attempt to achieve the same ends. Again, at root, the motivations are the same: i.e. I want to improve my own self-image.
Okay . . . I'm not going to be able to stay as objective as I'd like to stay if we get into personal experience with what I see this study and its implications as being about, so I'm going to go back and think for awhile and see whether I can articulate what I'm getting at better than I guess I did. I feel like this tattoo-plastic surgery comparison is missing a really fundamental point here, and I need to figure out how to state what I think that is--or hope that someone else can do it in the interim.
noirkiss3
Minneapolis, MN
April 2006
AUG 19, 2006 02:12 PM