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PopMonger

PopMonger

Los Angeles, CA
June 2006

AUG 18, 2006 05:45 PM

A new study has found that women with breast implants are 73 percent more likely to commit suicide than other women.

The data was meant to track correlations between implants and increased risk of cancer. The good news: Implants aren’t linked to a higher cancer rate. The bad news: Women with breast implants aren't happy campers compared to other women.

Though this study could not dig for the reasons, Morrison noted that other studies have found poorer self-esteem and elevated rates of depression and other psychiatric disorders among women who opt for breast augmentation.


It's not just implants, though. Face lifts, tummy tucks, butt lifts... other forms of plastic surgery are also linked to elevated suicide rates among women.

The study followed approximately 40,000 women who had plastic surgery over a 15-year period.


Does she look happy?

zoton

zoton

Kuwait
November 2005

AUG 19, 2006 12:08 PM

where was the study published ?

It would be interesting if we could find out what other factors were/are involved ?? ?

Crivelli

Crivelli

United Kingdom
January 2005

AUG 19, 2006 12:14 PM

Isn't it just saying that people are projecting their problems onto their appearance and then trying to use the "easy" fix of surgery? Plastic surgery has become the new xanax.

Madeleine

Madeleine

SUICIDEGIRL

Canada

AUG 19, 2006 12:18 PM

Uh, doesn't it make more sense that low self-esteem can lead to both breast implants and suicide?

Unless the back pain from implants becomes completely unbearable...

FilthPig

FilthPig

Portland, OR
December 2005

AUG 19, 2006 12:20 PM

there ya go

you can look at it online or download a .pdf doc

Eternalxile

Eternalxile

Irving, TX
March 2003

AUG 19, 2006 12:26 PM

im going with the low self esteem theory on this.

TheNastyNazi

TheNastyNazi

I'm lost
July 2006

AUG 19, 2006 12:35 PM

puke skull YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!!

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

AUG 19, 2006 12:36 PM

Madeleine said:
Uh, doesn't it make more sense that low self-esteem can lead to both breast implants and suicide?

Unless the back pain from implants becomes completely unbearable...



I'd be interested to see if there was a similar correlation between tattoos and suicide.

Necia

Necia

San Francisco, CA
August 2005

AUG 19, 2006 12:46 PM

Madeleine said:
Uh, doesn't it make more sense that low self-esteem can lead to both breast implants and suicide?

Unless the back pain from implants becomes completely unbearable...



Yes. That makes a lot more sense to me. I haven't read the study obviously, but it doesn't seem like they were saying that all of these women were perfectly happy before they got implants and then got suicidal afterward.


Subrosa said:
I'd be interested to see if there was a similar correlation between tattoos and suicide.



I personally would be really surprised. It's always dangerous to make generalizations and I feel like I may have gotten bitched at for saying this on SG before . . . but the motivations to get tattoos, generally speaking, seem to tend to be different from those to get plastic surgery, and the reaction of society overall, generally speaking, to people with visible tattoos is different from its reaction to women who have gotten surgery to fit a societal standard of beauty (and that reaction also affects people's motivations for doing each one of those things).

So I'd be surprised. The two forms of body modification don't seem to have a hell of a lot in common to me, personally. I'm sure that tons of people could contradict me with their own experiences, but.

ObservingOne

ObservingOne

Monroe, LA
April 2006

AUG 19, 2006 12:53 PM

Perhaps they already planned on suicide, but wanted to be pretty for it.

Also, it could have something to do with getting the bill afterwards.

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

AUG 19, 2006 01:03 PM

Necia said:

Subrosa said:
I'd be interested to see if there was a similar correlation between tattoos and suicide.



I personally would be really surprised. It's always dangerous to make generalizations and I feel like I may have gotten bitched at for saying this on SG before . . . but the motivations to get tattoos, generally speaking, seem to tend to be different from those to get plastic surgery, and the reaction of society overall, generally speaking, to people with visible tattoos is different from its reaction to women who have gotten surgery to fit a societal standard of beauty (and that reaction also affects people's motivations for doing each one of those things).

So I'd be surprised. The two forms of body modification don't seem to have a hell of a lot in common to me, personally. I'm sure that tons of people could contradict me with their own experiences, but.


Yeah, I dunno. I think at root (with many people) there's a feeling of not being entirely happy with the way you are in your own "natural" skin and that's why you go ahead with the change. They're both body modifications designed to change the way one views oneself (in some way). And while I agree that people's motivations for getting tattoos probably tend to be more varied, I still think they're more similar than they are different.

I would bet that the correllation would be similar, but weaker.

Eternalxile

Eternalxile

Irving, TX
March 2003

AUG 19, 2006 01:19 PM

Subrosa said:

Necia said:

Subrosa said:
I'd be interested to see if there was a similar correlation between tattoos and suicide.



I personally would be really surprised. It's always dangerous to make generalizations and I feel like I may have gotten bitched at for saying this on SG before . . . but the motivations to get tattoos, generally speaking, seem to tend to be different from those to get plastic surgery, and the reaction of society overall, generally speaking, to people with visible tattoos is different from its reaction to women who have gotten surgery to fit a societal standard of beauty (and that reaction also affects people's motivations for doing each one of those things).

So I'd be surprised. The two forms of body modification don't seem to have a hell of a lot in common to me, personally. I'm sure that tons of people could contradict me with their own experiences, but.


Yeah, I dunno. I think at root (with many people) there's a feeling of not being entirely happy with the way you are in your own "natural" skin and that's why you go ahead with the change. They're both body modifications designed to change the way one views oneself (in some way). And while I agree that people's motivations for getting tattoos probably tend to be more varied, I still think they're more similar than they are different.

I would bet that the correllation would be similar, but weaker.




I dont think so. Tattoos are a means of self expression where as cosmetic surgery is more of a means of social acceptance. How many people get tattoos thinking "This will make people like me and think im pretty!"

desidia

desidia

Reunion
September 2002

AUG 19, 2006 01:21 PM

I guess that makes sence.

desidia

desidia

Reunion
September 2002

AUG 19, 2006 01:22 PM

Eternalxile said:

Subrosa said:

Necia said:

Subrosa said:
I'd be interested to see if there was a similar correlation between tattoos and suicide.



I personally would be really surprised. It's always dangerous to make generalizations and I feel like I may have gotten bitched at for saying this on SG before . . . but the motivations to get tattoos, generally speaking, seem to tend to be different from those to get plastic surgery, and the reaction of society overall, generally speaking, to people with visible tattoos is different from its reaction to women who have gotten surgery to fit a societal standard of beauty (and that reaction also affects people's motivations for doing each one of those things).

So I'd be surprised. The two forms of body modification don't seem to have a hell of a lot in common to me, personally. I'm sure that tons of people could contradict me with their own experiences, but.


Yeah, I dunno. I think at root (with many people) there's a feeling of not being entirely happy with the way you are in your own "natural" skin and that's why you go ahead with the change. They're both body modifications designed to change the way one views oneself (in some way). And while I agree that people's motivations for getting tattoos probably tend to be more varied, I still think they're more similar than they are different.

I would bet that the correllation would be similar, but weaker.




I dont think so. Tattoos are a means of self expression where as cosmetic surgery is more of a means of social acceptance. How many people get tattoos thinking "This will make people like me and think im pretty!"



*cough* sparrows, stars, pistols...

anyone remember makeoutclub?

ObservingOne

ObservingOne

Monroe, LA
April 2006

AUG 19, 2006 01:32 PM

Eternalxile said:

Subrosa said:

Necia said:

Subrosa said:
I'd be interested to see if there was a similar correlation between tattoos and suicide.



I personally would be really surprised. It's always dangerous to make generalizations and I feel like I may have gotten bitched at for saying this on SG before . . . but the motivations to get tattoos, generally speaking, seem to tend to be different from those to get plastic surgery, and the reaction of society overall, generally speaking, to people with visible tattoos is different from its reaction to women who have gotten surgery to fit a societal standard of beauty (and that reaction also affects people's motivations for doing each one of those things).

So I'd be surprised. The two forms of body modification don't seem to have a hell of a lot in common to me, personally. I'm sure that tons of people could contradict me with their own experiences, but.


Yeah, I dunno. I think at root (with many people) there's a feeling of not being entirely happy with the way you are in your own "natural" skin and that's why you go ahead with the change. They're both body modifications designed to change the way one views oneself (in some way). And while I agree that people's motivations for getting tattoos probably tend to be more varied, I still think they're more similar than they are different.

I would bet that the correllation would be similar, but weaker.




I dont think so. Tattoos are a means of self expression where as cosmetic surgery is more of a means of social acceptance. How many people get tattoos thinking "This will make people like me and think im pretty!"



Same reason, different group of people that they want to be accepted by. (of course there are exceptions)

While there are many that use tats, piercings, etc. as forms of self expression, there are just as many if not more that use them as a way of fitting in with their circle of friends or the people they want to be friends with/idolize.

noirkiss3

noirkiss3

Minneapolis, MN
April 2006

AUG 19, 2006 01:34 PM

Interesting, I get the urge to slit my wrists when I see a beautiful woman defile herself with such disturbing accoutrements......

.....only half kidding.....

....no I wasn't talking about yours.....

you are the exception to my rule....
....really...
k....thnx

Vestril

Vestril

Coronado, CA
February 2003

AUG 19, 2006 01:35 PM

Eternalxile said:

I dont think so. Tattoos are a means of self expression where as cosmetic surgery is more of a means of social acceptance. How many people get tattoos thinking "This will make people like me and think im pretty!"



Maybe it's bias from living all-but-on a college campus, but I'm going to go with "a lot." I think there might also be a fair few who get them to fit in better or, better yet, to stand out because they feel lost in the crowd. I am by no means though saying that everyone who gets tattoos gets them for those reasons, maybe not even the majority. It just seems like a study would yield interesting results.

catatac

catatac

San Diego, CA
June 2005

AUG 19, 2006 01:36 PM

I agree with Subrosa, tattoos can be just as much of a means to try and fit in as a boob job. Just in different circles.

Necia

Necia

San Francisco, CA
August 2005

AUG 19, 2006 01:44 PM

Eternalxile said:

I dont think so. Tattoos are a means of self expression where as cosmetic surgery is more of a means of social acceptance. How many people get tattoos thinking "This will make people like me and think im pretty!"



That's sort of what I was thinking. I mean, not that I think that people don't get tattoos because they think it'll make them look cool; of course people get tattoos for that reason. And of course there's a desire to change your appearance at the heart of both tattooing and plastic surgery.

But the difference is in what's fueling that desire. And for a lot of people with low self-esteem/depression/poor body image (and really, all of them are related, so . . .), stuff like plastic surgery (or constant dieting or disordered eating or overexercising) isn't something that is done with the idea that it'll make them better; it's done with the idea that it'll make them just basically acceptable, if that makes sense. It's not about improvement; it's a necessity. You're not even basically "okay" or acceptable as a person until whatever problem you're fixating on is taken care of. I don't think most people get tattoos thinking, "Once I get this tattoo, then I'll be normal, and acceptable, and okay. I'll be pretty enough and people will like me and I'll be worthy of people liking me." But watch one of those reality shows like Extreme Makeover or The Swan and tell me if that's not exactly what the women on those shows are saying when they talk about the surgery they're going to have done. Of course I know that people get tattoos to feel cool and to fit in with their group and all that. But do a lot of people tend to get tattoos so that they'll feel okay about just existing in their body at all?

And again, I'm not saying that that's the thought process of anyone who gets plastic surgery ever. There are tons of people who are psychologically healthy and get plastic surgery for all kinds of reasons, and I wouldn't apply any of the stuff I'm saying to those people. However, those psychologically healthy people getting plastic surgery also aren't the people this study is talking about, clearly; psychologically healthy people don't kill themselves. If you're someone suffering from depression and poor body image and feelings of inadequacy--which is what this study is talking about--then what you're looking to do is just to make yourself adequate, because you don't believe that you are adequate otherwise. And if you're so unhappy with yourself that you don't believe that you're adequate unless you get surgery (or weigh a certain amount/look a certain way/have a certain BMI or body fat ratio/etc.), surgery isn't going to fix that in the slightest. Your problems are still there, and what's causing you to dislike yourself that much is still there, and you're not any happier after the surgery than you were before. Hence the suicide.

As a side note, the chronically eating disordered also have higher suicide rates than the general population; in fact, I've read that the leading cause of death for anoretics who don't recover from anorexia is suicide. I personally see a parallel between that and this study about plastic surgery, but that's just me.

In short, though, that's the difference I see between tattooing and plastic surgery. I don't think that either the fundamental nature or the degree/strength/severity of the motivations to get tattooed versus those to get plastic surgery tend to be the same; for some people I'm sure they could be, but when we're discussing those motivations in terms of less-than-entirely psychologically healthy people, I don't see them as the same, generally speaking.

noirkiss3

noirkiss3

Minneapolis, MN
April 2006

AUG 19, 2006 01:45 PM

bloomews said:
I agree with Subrosa, tattoos can be just as much of a means to try and fit in as a boob job. Just in different circles.


I quite agree, I think the boob job however is a way to fit into society at large whereas ink is for a more varied and specific subculture(depending on what you get)

Every time the boob job comes up on this site I can't help but get into it.

I agree that it prolly isn't the boob job that causes the suicide but a preexisting condition of low self esteem that led them to the boob job in the first place.

Yes plastic surgery can be good. People with deformities from birth,accident or disease can greatly improve there life with some of these options. But a perfectly healthy person doing such exaggerated things to their body is a definite output of a society with misplaced values

CharlieLove

CharlieLove

Fiji
March 2006

AUG 19, 2006 01:51 PM

has anyone noticed her lack of pupils?

noirkiss3

noirkiss3

Minneapolis, MN
April 2006

AUG 19, 2006 01:53 PM

SUICIDE GIRLS v v v v v

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

AUG 19, 2006 02:01 PM

Necia said:

Eternalxile said:

I dont think so. Tattoos are a means of self expression where as cosmetic surgery is more of a means of social acceptance. How many people get tattoos thinking "This will make people like me and think im pretty!"



That's sort of what I was thinking. I mean, not that I think that people don't get tattoos because they think it'll make them look cool; of course people get tattoos for that reason. And of course there's a desire to change your appearance at the heart of both tattooing and plastic surgery.

But the difference is in what's fueling that desire. And for a lot of people with low self-esteem/depression/poor body image (and really, all of them are related, so . . .), stuff like plastic surgery (or constant dieting or disordered eating or overexercising) isn't something that is done with the idea that it'll make them better; it's done with the idea that it'll make them just basically acceptable, if that makes sense. It's not about improvement; it's a necessity. You're not even basically "okay" or acceptable as a person until whatever problem you're fixating on is taken care of. I don't think most people get tattoos thinking, "Once I get this tattoo, then I'll be normal, and acceptable, and okay. I'll be pretty enough and people will like me and I'll be worthy of people liking me." But watch one of those reality shows like Extreme Makeover or The Swan and tell me if that's not exactly what the women on those shows are saying when they talk about the surgery they're going to have done. Of course I know that people get tattoos to feel cool and to fit in with their group and all that. But do a lot of people tend to get tattoos so that they'll feel okay about just existing in their body at all?

And again, I'm not saying that that's the thought process of anyone who gets plastic surgery ever. There are tons of people who are psychologically healthy and get plastic surgery for all kinds of reasons, and I wouldn't apply any of the stuff I'm saying to those people. However, those psychologically healthy people getting plastic surgery also aren't the people this study is talking about, clearly; psychologically healthy people don't kill themselves. If you're someone suffering from depression and poor body image and feelings of inadequacy--which is what this study is talking about--then what you're looking to do is just to make yourself adequate, because you don't believe that you are adequate otherwise. And if you're so unhappy with yourself that you don't believe that you're adequate unless you get surgery (or weigh a certain amount/look a certain way/have a certain BMI or body fat ratio/etc.), surgery isn't going to fix that in the slightest. Your problems are still there, and what's causing you to dislike yourself that much is still there, and you're not any happier after the surgery than you were before. Hence the suicide.

As a side note, the chronically eating disordered also have higher suicide rates than the general population; in fact, I've read that the leading cause of death for anoretics who don't recover from anorexia is suicide. I personally see a parallel between that and this study about plastic surgery, but that's just me.

In short, though, that's the difference I see between tattooing and plastic surgery. I don't think that either the fundamental nature or the degree/strength/severity of the motivations to get tattooed versus those to get plastic surgery tend to be the same; for some people I'm sure they could be, but when we're discussing those motivations in terms of less-than-entirely psychologically healthy people, I don't see them as the same, generally speaking.



I see what you're saying and I'm not necessarily disagreeing with most of your general conclusions, but I can only speak to my own experience. I got my tattoo for a NUMBER of reasons. But I'd be lying if I said it wasn't, on some level a desire to be more accepted/attractive and also to feel more comfortable in my own skin. I've also considered (not especially seriously, but still enough to warrant mentioning) at times getting certain elective plastic surgeries to attempt to achieve the same ends. Again, at root, the motivations are the same: i.e. I want to improve my own self-image.

catdad

catdad

Portland, OR
August 2002

AUG 19, 2006 02:07 PM

It's also quite possible that suicide might happen sooner for many of these women if they were unable to get the boob jobs. The temporary, superficial boost in self-esteem might postpone it. And if I remember correctly from reading or TV in the 80's, depression related to the loss of a boob or boobs due to a mastectomy was very strongly driven by the perceived sense of being less than a complete woman because of it. If your boobs define (or contribute to) your perception of your self, you're going to have some challenges in life. Then again, self-esteem issues are going to continue to manifest themselves until the underlying psychological problems are addressed. Boobs this month, butt next month, skin the month after that, etc.

noirkiss3

noirkiss3

Minneapolis, MN
April 2006

AUG 19, 2006 02:10 PM

Subrosa said:

Necia said:

Eternalxile said:

I dont think so. Tattoos are a means of self expression where as cosmetic surgery is more of a means of social acceptance. How many people get tattoos thinking "This will make people like me and think im pretty!"



That's sort of what I was thinking. I mean, not that I think that people don't get tattoos because they think it'll make them look cool; of course people get tattoos for that reason. And of course there's a desire to change your appearance at the heart of both tattooing and plastic surgery.

But the difference is in what's fueling that desire. And for a lot of people with low self-esteem/depression/poor body image (and really, all of them are related, so . . .), stuff like plastic surgery (or constant dieting or disordered eating or overexercising) isn't something that is done with the idea that it'll make them better; it's done with the idea that it'll make them just basically acceptable, if that makes sense. It's not about improvement; it's a necessity. You're not even basically "okay" or acceptable as a person until whatever problem you're fixating on is taken care of. I don't think most people get tattoos thinking, "Once I get this tattoo, then I'll be normal, and acceptable, and okay. I'll be pretty enough and people will like me and I'll be worthy of people liking me." But watch one of those reality shows like Extreme Makeover or The Swan and tell me if that's not exactly what the women on those shows are saying when they talk about the surgery they're going to have done. Of course I know that people get tattoos to feel cool and to fit in with their group and all that. But do a lot of people tend to get tattoos so that they'll feel okay about just existing in their body at all?

And again, I'm not saying that that's the thought process of anyone who gets plastic surgery ever. There are tons of people who are psychologically healthy and get plastic surgery for all kinds of reasons, and I wouldn't apply any of the stuff I'm saying to those people. However, those psychologically healthy people getting plastic surgery also aren't the people this study is talking about, clearly; psychologically healthy people don't kill themselves. If you're someone suffering from depression and poor body image and feelings of inadequacy--which is what this study is talking about--then what you're looking to do is just to make yourself adequate, because you don't believe that you are adequate otherwise. And if you're so unhappy with yourself that you don't believe that you're adequate unless you get surgery (or weigh a certain amount/look a certain way/have a certain BMI or body fat ratio/etc.), surgery isn't going to fix that in the slightest. Your problems are still there, and what's causing you to dislike yourself that much is still there, and you're not any happier after the surgery than you were before. Hence the suicide.

As a side note, the chronically eating disordered also have higher suicide rates than the general population; in fact, I've read that the leading cause of death for anoretics who don't recover from anorexia is suicide. I personally see a parallel between that and this study about plastic surgery, but that's just me.

In short, though, that's the difference I see between tattooing and plastic surgery. I don't think that either the fundamental nature or the degree/strength/severity of the motivations to get tattooed versus those to get plastic surgery tend to be the same; for some people I'm sure they could be, but when we're discussing those motivations in terms of less-than-entirely psychologically healthy people, I don't see them as the same, generally speaking.



I see what you're saying and I'm not necessarily disagreeing with most of your general conclusions, but I can only speak to my own experience. I got my tattoo for a NUMBER of reasons. But I'd be lying if I said it wasn't, on some level a desire to be more accepted/attractive and also to feel more comfortable in my own skin. I've also considered (not especially seriously, but still enough to warrant mentioning) at times getting certain elective plastic surgeries to attempt to achieve the same ends. Again, at root, the motivations are the same: i.e. I want to improve my own self-image.



I see what both of you are saying but the tattoo has so many variables that it really is more of a self expression whereas the boob job is really only for one thing (caveat as previously stated: disease,ect,ect) if boob job were a self expression rather than a body image issue people would get them on their foreheads or any other millions of variable other than cup size.

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