This guy can go to hell

ugh. some people just don't get it.

"i'm a man, and i'm going to tell you women how you're being exploited and alienated. trust me, i know what's best for you." nevermind that none of us FEEL exploited... or alienated...

[Edited on Nov 21, 2004 by Thistle]

I could honestly care less if people don't like SG or if they do, but some people go a little out of the way to over-analyze things that don't need to be analyzed at all. SG is a porn site, of course SG wants to make money. If any of the girls feel objectified, they can quit. No one is being forced to get naked for this site. Lastly, I hate most feminists. At least the ones that claim to speak on behalf of every woman everywhere. I can speak for myself, thank you very much.

I'm so exploited My pimp put a gun to my head and forced me to do this against my will.

Woes me

And all of the nice tings members say and the wonderful flowers and goodies I get sent, those realy just ruin my day too. No really

God, this guy needs his head out of his ass.

that's exactly it. i told a coworker about it, and he acted like he felt bad for my poor exploited self, and he actually said 'what guy tricked you into that.'

it's fucking insane. it's like, we just don't know that we're being exploited! it's a trick that it makes us feel empowered! fuck that. people are stupid.

yeah.. like there's no chance that I might WANT to pose nude. Also that whole schpiel about it being for men only... um 50% of the members are women, the site is part-owned by women, most of the staff is women, almost none of the photos are typical porn-style masculine fantasies, and anyway maybe it's ok for men and women to interract in a way that arouses one another. The whole statement just assumes that only men view porn and women are only involved with porn because they're brainless sheep. That's sexist in and of itself.
What alienates me more in the punk scene is when there are no women at all- just white boys talking about racism, sexism, and capitalism.

What a douche.

I love how people who claim that this site is objectifying women always talk about us like we couldn't possibly have any of our own opinions or reasons for being here... they always seem to be the quickest to "objectify".

It's so ridiculous-- to this guy there are two parties involved here, the "capitalist organization trying to sell sex" and you, the exploitative photographer. To him the girls are irrelevent, just pawns being used for someone elses benefit. Personally I find that outlook to be offensively sexist. I just love being told by some guy how I'm being victimized by choosing to take my clothes off. "Oh thank you, Mr. PC Punk Avenger, for showing me how foolish I was! I had no idea that people were making money off my body! I was so naiive! I guess I can't trust my own judgement-- I'm just a girl-- I don't know how this big world of capitalism and men and money works! It's all so confusing. Thank you for rescuing me from my ignorance you big strong man-- how can I ever repay you?"

Seriously, though, this guy is a douche-- and sadly, his misogynist-in-disguise pseudo-feminist attitude is all too common.

I never said he wasn't entitled to his opinion. But I'm entitled to my own opinions as well, and my opinion is that most feminists annoy the shit out of me. It's unfortunate, because I think a lot of the things they believe in/say/do are fantastic, but the ones that are self-important and assume they know what's right for everyone ruin it for me. And those are the ones I most often come across.

1. I said that because one of the points of the letter is that all porn is just for men's pleasure, which is clearly not the case especially for SG

2. I like that SG has a lot of female members because it makes it feel more like a real-life group of people that's mixed in every way- our own little country perhaps. However, I would still have posed for the site even if it was 90-10 or 100-0 because I wanted to pose nude regardless of the audience. I'm not perfectly certain that the membership is exactly 50-50, but the staff has mentioned that it's about even.

I know that the question wasn't directed at me, but I'm going to answer anyway. I think the percentage of women members is irrelevant. I've heard the 50% statistic, and I've heard some disagreement about it. But the point is that there is a strong female presence on this site and it isn't just some boys-club where guys make dirty comments about the girls and the girls don't say anything. There are a lot of strong female voices on this site, both models and members, and in that way it's different from a lot of other porn sites.