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mickymcmann

mickymcmann

Saint Clair, MO
July 2008

APR 30, 2010 09:01 AM

I’m starting this thread to continue a conversation that has outgrown where it sprung up in a Hopefuls Group thread.
The thread is in response to this set.
This set features a model with at least one prominent racist tattoo.
(the clearest photos of the offending tattoo have since been removed from the set, but are still visible on the model’s profile)

I would like to know how other members feel about racist tattoos being displayed on this website.

Here is my opinion: I WILL NOT monetarily support a business that in anyway promotes or displays racist ideas or symbolism in a positive manor.

AND!! Being that the Terms and Conditions I read when I fist gave my money to this site CLEARLY state :


User agrees to NOT use the Site to:

a.Transmit any Content that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, pornographic, harassing, tortious, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, libelous, invasive of another's privacy, hateful or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable;


I feel as if the SG staff REALLY dropped the ball on this one by allowing someone with such a clearly offensive tattoo to become a Hopeful.

I, as a paying customer, should not have to see these kinds of offenses when the product I paid for clearly promoted its self as being against said offenses.

My suggestion as a solution: The SG staff should be educated on offensive symbols and tattoos and employ that knowledge when reviewing photos and model applicants.
Here are a couple resources (there are many others available as well)
A Visual Database of Extremist Symbols, Logos and Tattoos
Symbols of Hate

How do you feel about racist tattoos being displayed on SG?
Have you seen other offensive tattoos published on this site?

Setsuka

Setsuka

SUICIDEGIRL

USA

APR 30, 2010 09:13 AM

I agree that racist tattoos should not be allowed on the site, especially given the above quote from the Terms and Conditions. SG is about being tasteful. However, the girl is a hopeful. So unless she covers them up or alters the tattoo in some way, it will probably hold her back from becoming an actual Suicide Girl. I can understand her being allowed to become a hopeful because they don't screen all of your body mods, just send in a few pictures of your choice and they will decide whether or not they want you to become a hopeful. Not every hopeful will become a suicide girl. If it were a SG with the tattoo, I'd be more upset because then staff would be saying it is OK.

SnakePlissken

SnakePlissken

Corvallis, OR
December 2002

APR 30, 2010 09:16 AM

I hate the racist shit as much as anyone with a soul, but it's unfair to pin it on staff. With all the submissions to the site I just don't see it being possible to weed through every single image for signs of that which is offensive. Things will invariably slip through the cracks, but when they do it's good to know that the members here are diligent enough to alert those that be to their presence.

Rigel

Rigel

ASSPARTY

California, USA

APR 30, 2010 09:18 AM

Letting a girl with questionable tattoos submit a set to member review is not "promoting or displaying racist ideas or symbolism in a positive manor." No matter who's job it is to go through the hundreds of sets submitted every week, NO ONE is going to look at every single tattoo on every single person and then research it to make sure it won't offend one of the hundreds of thousands of anonymous subscribers to this website. Do you really need mommy and daddy to protect you from the harsh realities of the world and make sure that you only see flowers and sausages?

Sorry, I don't feel as if anyone "dropped the ball" as you suggested. If you don't like it you should email the model coordinator and let them know why such tattoos are offensive, and they will take a look and decide what to do from there, not start a witch hunt.

mickymcmann

mickymcmann

Saint Clair, MO
July 2008

APR 30, 2010 09:23 AM

the staff has a hand in publishing the hopeful's sets to the site.
its not like hopfuls post it directly. plenty of sets are rejeted for other reasons.
thats why i feel the responsibility lies with the staff.
if its too much work to weed through all of the submitions then they need to hire more staff.
its part of being a responsible growing company.

Celta

Celta

Germany
July 2006

APR 30, 2010 09:23 AM

I'm definitely not interested in seeing here girls with racist tattoos. I'm really tired of people who are trying to explain that "white pride" isn't a racist statement!
And I'm really irritated by the fact that those pics where you could see the tattoo were removed from the set! Why? It doesn't change the fact that this girl has such a tattoo.

And because I don't wanna see any racists as SGs doesn't mean that I wanna see only sausages and flowers. Why shouldn't people here express their dislike about such tattoos?

FreakPirate

FreakPirate

Canada
November 2002

APR 30, 2010 09:25 AM

mickymcmann said:
the staff has a hand in publishing the hopeful's sets to the site.
its not like hopfuls post it directly. plenty of sets are rejeted for other reasons.
thats why i feel the responsibility lies with the staff.
if its too much work to weed through all of the submitions then they need to hire more staff.
its part of being a responsible growing company.



Your expectations are completely unreasonable. Alert the staff and move on. It's not on the front page. No one got money for it. Racists suck and they aren't tolerated around here.

ARRR!!!

DilatedPeople

DilatedPeople

I'm lost
April 2010

APR 30, 2010 09:28 AM

Rigel said:
Letting a girl with questionable tattoos submit a set to member review is not "promoting or displaying racist ideas or symbolism in a positive manor." No matter who's job it is to go through the hundreds of sets submitted every week, NO ONE is going to look at every single tattoo on every single person and then research it to make sure it won't offend one of the hundreds of thousands of anonymous subscribers to this website. Do you really need mommy and daddy to protect you from the harsh realities of the world and make sure that you only see flowers and sausages?

Sorry, I don't feel as if anyone "dropped the ball" as you suggested. If you don't like it you should email the model coordinator and let them know why such tattoos are offensive, and they will take a look and decide what to do from there, not start a witch hunt.



1. I <3 you.
2. I agree, it's not something that really is that huge of a deal in that it needs the kind of attention the OP is asking for. I mean scouring the thousands of photos submitted for every tattoo would require a lot of time and a lot of hours and in turn a lot of money and in turn a higher monthly payment - to me I'd rather see the money I pay go towards other things with the product.
3. It's much more efficient and effective in my opinion to continue how it is being done, if someone sees something that offends them for whatever reason submit the complaint once you see it, and I'm sure at that point the SG administators will look into removing if necessary. Seems like that would make everyone happy right? And my understanding is that's already in place? So it's all good.
4. I <3 you again Rigel, you're amazing. love

mickymcmann

mickymcmann

Saint Clair, MO
July 2008

APR 30, 2010 09:29 AM

Rigel said:
Letting a girl with questionable tattoos submit a set to member review is not "promoting or displaying racist ideas or symbolism in a positive manor." .



the way the hopeful sets are presented as content of the website, and not just as user submitted content puts the website in a legally responsible position whether or not its considered "promoting"

i work in digital publication & im not just pulling that out of my ass.

Rigel

Rigel

ASSPARTY

California, USA

APR 30, 2010 09:31 AM

FreakPirate said:

mickymcmann said:
the staff has a hand in publishing the hopeful's sets to the site.
its not like hopfuls post it directly. plenty of sets are rejeted for other reasons.
thats why i feel the responsibility lies with the staff.
if its too much work to weed through all of the submitions then they need to hire more staff.
its part of being a responsible growing company.



Your expectations are completely unreasonable. Alert the staff and move on. It's not on the front page. No one got money for it. Racists suck and they aren't tolerated around here.

ARRR!!!



Um, yeah. I don't want to see racist tattoos or behavior here either but alert the staff and move on. Like it's been mentioned before, she's a hopeful, not an SG, it's one of hundreds of thousands of sets in member review, no one is "promoting it," it just happened to slip through.

mickymcmann

mickymcmann

Saint Clair, MO
July 2008

APR 30, 2010 09:31 AM

DilatedPeople said:

2. I agree, it's not something that really is that huge of a deal in that it needs the kind of attention the OP is asking for. I mean scouring the thousands of photos submitted for every tattoo would require a lot of time and a lot of hours and in turn a lot of money and in turn a higher monthly payment - to me I'd rather see the money I pay go towards other things with the product.




i dont mean to start a hunt for it. i was just told that where i had been talking about this (the hopefuls group) was not the appropriate place, so i wanted to create a thread that could be used should this issue come up again.
sorry for not being clear!

mickymcmann

mickymcmann

Saint Clair, MO
July 2008

APR 30, 2010 09:35 AM

as far as just notifying the staff and moving on, im not satisfied by the staff response of removing a couple photos, the whole set should be taken down, and the user informed she has violated the terms she agreed to.

atomicant

atomicant

Portland, OR
June 2003

APR 30, 2010 09:40 AM

mickymcmann said:
as far as just notifying the staff and moving on, im not satisfied by the staff response of removing a couple photos, the whole set should be taken down, and the user informed she has violated the terms she agreed to.



Great. Then you can cancel your subscription.

Is it in poor taste? Yeah. Offensive? Not really. It's not like you have to look at it or like it. It's just a really stupid tattoo. Now you've made it into this whole 'SG staff is promoting racial intolerance and I won't stand for it!' crusade.

Abrupt

Abrupt

HOPEFUL

Plymouth, WI

APR 30, 2010 09:41 AM

I'm not convinced SG is cool with anything racist. I haven't seen any sets bought in my time here yet and I'm not sure they would be. SG really seems much higher class and too picky to purchase such offensive sets or promote these type of individuals. Maybe I am wrong, however I don't think I am. I wouldn't object to allowing these members to give their stuff away for free though, just as I would not object to doing the offensive tattoos myself. I am solid on my beliefs in God and my HATING any and all BREED SPECIFIC LEGISLATION or hoopla whether human or animal and if someone wanted a tattoo of Jesus being devoured/ripped and torn up with Anti-Christ crap..... or any racist slurs I certainly would oblige as it shows those who are in contact with that individual exactly what they are about. TAKE THAT $ ! Business is business and if someone is giving something away for free OKAY!! I say let her pay the membership fees when it comes around, let her have her parts all over the site and net as an extension of coarse....free. If SG isn't purchasing it who cares. I get your point and agree only to a point. If she is not "wearing that white hood" she should of refrained from exposing that back side AND or had it tended to by a professional to be gone. Prejudice is ridiculous jive and for any who dislike me for speaking so piss off, I'll ALWAYS stand my ground even when or if it means alone. I'm a weeble wobble (remember those? ) I'll take that hit and pop back up lol. Whether or not people believe in any "higher power," God, whatever you chose to call it, It created all of us period.....who are we to say any "breed" is bad....
I'm guessing if SG would chose to drop her IF she had any $ or wits she could turn it into a media or courtroom brawl for discrimination. It is best to avoid dramas in certain situations. IDK, I'm also guessing if they had seen that from the get go they may of declined her. I hear some being turned away. I don't "know" staff *YET* personally to speak on their behalf however I don't think they dig it. It's NOT some trashy porn jive that anything goes here. I say what I always have said all my life on this topic; too....

LIVE AND LET LIVE......

unfortunately we can't weed out the ignorance in this site, our communities nor the world. (God...however much I would love that job......not possible. Besides if we could, the world would be very hallow and desolate wouldn't it? )

Click the not for me button....it's unlikely SG really digs racism. If one discontinues their participation in the site due to some ignorance, they will lose out on the hottest women in the world anyhow. There's some real shit here, but it is everywhere. Can't escape ignorance........ not ever. Ignore what you may think is trash and move on to what you may think is not biggrin

That's my 2cents. EDIT...I see a few beat me here in my took too long typing ha! Go you(s)!! biggrin

DilatedPeople

DilatedPeople

I'm lost
April 2010

APR 30, 2010 09:42 AM

mickymcmann said:
as far as just notifying the staff and moving on, im not satisfied by the staff response of removing a couple photos, the whole set should be taken down, and the user informed she has violated the terms she agreed to.




why? so I'm new here, but say someone say something racist in a thread, do the admins remove all the other posts, blogs, pictures, or anything else associated with this person down? i mean the other content is not offensive why should it be taken down? and how do you know the user wasn't "informed" of her violation?

Kiley

Kiley

SUICIDEGIRL

Connecticut, USA

APR 30, 2010 09:47 AM

mickymcmann said:
as far as just notifying the staff and moving on, im not satisfied by the staff response of removing a couple photos, the whole set should be taken down, and the user informed she has violated the terms she agreed to.



well i'm not satisfied with everything on this site but i'm not fucking whining about it. cancel your subscription, or better yet, close the fucking window and walk away. it's a few god damn pictures on the internet and you're ridiculous.

mickymcmann

mickymcmann

Saint Clair, MO
July 2008

APR 30, 2010 09:52 AM

i only think the staff has a responsibility when it comes to what THEY post.
the format of the PICS section is a published work of this website. its the staffs responsibility.

and you're all right. im making too big a fuss over something i am involved voluntarily.
i will be canceling my subscription, and thats ok, and really the only way i should be expressing my dissatisfaction, but i still think its a good idea to have a thread around that is the appropriate place to discuss these problems.

MisterSatan

MisterSatan

Portland, OR
August 2002

APR 30, 2010 09:53 AM

I blame member review.

ATG said:
I WANNA TELL YOU A WHOLE LOTTA STUFFIS



I also blame member review.

Brawl

Brawl

United Kingdom
October 2009

APR 30, 2010 09:54 AM

DilatedPeople said:

mickymcmann said:
as far as just notifying the staff and moving on, im not satisfied by the staff response of removing a couple photos, the whole set should be taken down, and the user informed she has violated the terms she agreed to.




why? so I'm new here, but say someone say something racist in a thread, do the admins remove all the other posts, blogs, pictures, or anything else associated with this person down? i mean the other content is not offensive why should it be taken down? and how do you know the user wasn't "informed" of her violation?



in some extreme situations a member may be completely zotted from the site, removing all their post.

The problem is, Staff have removed the pictures from her set, so they are saying it is not acceptable for them to be shown in a set that they have moderated. I don't think there is any need for them to go deleting any other pictures of them in her profile as she should be free to show herself as you are free to express the way you feel about them, thus giving her a chance to explain herself.

The staff have done what is expected of them and removed the photos. I don't see what else they can do? They can't remove her just because of a tattoo that she says she had done when she was much younger and no longer believes in the tattoos meaning.
As Kiley said, SG can't satisfy everyone.

mickymcmann

mickymcmann

Saint Clair, MO
July 2008

APR 30, 2010 09:56 AM

well thats the problem with getting a tattoo like that in the fist place.
this is about accountability, people.

Brawl

Brawl

United Kingdom
October 2009

APR 30, 2010 10:00 AM

mickymcmann said:
well thats the problem with getting a tattoo like that in the fist place.
this is about accountability, people.



She has to live forever with that tattoo and it's meaning, that's her problem. The pictures slipped through member review and have since been removed but I don't think there is any need for you to up and leave the site cos a girl with an offensive tattoo is here too.

DilatedPeople

DilatedPeople

I'm lost
April 2010

APR 30, 2010 10:06 AM

Brawl said:

mickymcmann said:
well thats the problem with getting a tattoo like that in the fist place.
this is about accountability, people.



She has to live forever with that tattoo and it's meaning, that's her problem. The pictures slipped through member review and have since been removed but I don't think there is any need for you to up and leave the site cos a girl with an offensive tattoo is here too.



riiight, i mean theres thousands of people on this site and thousands of pictures, of course somebody is going to say or put something up that's offensive to me... that's kinda life... i've got used to it. if you watch cable television long enough you'll for sure come across something that is said that offends you, and rightfully so, that doesn't mean you cancel your television subscription, just means you stop watching that show. very simple.

lil_tuffy

lil_tuffy

MODERATOR

San Francisco, CA

APR 30, 2010 10:09 AM

Thank you for bringing this to staff's attention. It is currently being addressed.

DucksAreCrazy

DucksAreCrazy

Lexington, KY
December 2006

APR 30, 2010 10:09 AM

That's some quick and massive backlash toward the OP's stated opinion.
I won't presume to suggest what the staff should or shouldn't do. They're in the position to do what they will, and I may disagree with some decisions but (as has been posed) I can take my money elsewhere.

However:

I'm not buying that MR should have any less attention paid to standards than accepted sets. They are posted as updates in the same place as new articles and featured things on the initial page, and they're essentially more new content than the now-singular set of the day.

mickymcmann

mickymcmann

Saint Clair, MO
July 2008

APR 30, 2010 10:23 AM

SG is a product i paid for. i purchased this product based on the information the website provided about its self, which includes a declaration that the site does not allow racist content.

then, when the website indirectly publishes racist content, and there are complaints against it, the staff reaction is to edit it slightly and deny responsibility in the situation.

i simply will not be purchasing this product again because it is not the product i believed i was purchasing.

this thread isnt me slamming the door on my way out (hell, my subscription doesn't run out till the fall), its just a place to discuss racist tattoos on girls modeling for SG.

is it possible to stop discussing my subscription and get to talking about racist tattoos and how we feel about them?

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