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Louis_XIV

Louis_XIV

France
August 2007

NOV 02, 2009 08:21 PM

This is a continuation of the discussion in the now-obsolete-and-therefor-closed topic Only one set a day this week.

Why this topic? Some hours ago, lil_tuffy closed the topic Only one set a day this week because, as he said,

lil_tuffy said:
This thread has WAAAAY outlived it's usefulness so I am closing it.



I do in no way question his closure, nor do I question his reasons for doing so, nor do I want to reopen this now-obsolete topic: The "one set week" was finished, so discussing this measure was no longer of use, period.

However, by finishing the thread, Tuffy also finished the vivid yet admittedly out-of-topic discussion about the fact that yesterday we had two rather similar sets of the same girl on FP. Some considered this a slap in the face for girls who are hoping their set would go on FP, some found it boring to see two similar sets a day, some disagreed with these points of view, some considered criticicism on staff decisions as "whinefest", and some others proposed to shut up and to watch boobies instead. Although lil_tuffy animadverted this discussion and joined the side of the anti-whinefest and pro-boobies faction, he closed the topic explicitely because it "outlived it's usefulness", not because of the ongoing off-topic discussion on the double-set. The latter would have given the impression that the staff does not want people to question their decisions, which is, of course, nonsense.

In consequence, and in order to avoid the false impression that the staff does not want his decisions to be questioned, I open this new topic in order to create a place to continue the said discussion - now on-topic and no more on a thread which outlived it's usefulness. (@staff : In the highly improbable case that the said "false impression" is, in fact, a correct impression, please feel free to close this topic as well.)

Now can we please stop watching boobs and continue the discussion? What do you think about seeing two sets of the same girl coming up on FP the same day?

CandyCrimson

CandyCrimson

HOPEFUL

USA

NOV 02, 2009 08:28 PM

I think the main question, aside from anyone's personal feeling towards the situation, is simple- why were two sets chosen of the same girl and put up on the same day? I think if we bring it down to the basics we can satisfy everyone's curiosity and maybe calm some of the drama. Thanks!smile

toothpickmoe

toothpickmoe

Los Angeles, CA
May 2004

NOV 02, 2009 08:30 PM

I'm fine with it. Mainly because of boobs, though.

lil_tuffy

lil_tuffy

MODERATOR

San Francisco, CA

NOV 02, 2009 08:33 PM

I will respond momentarily.

Scotty

Scotty

SUICIDEGIRL

Australia

NOV 02, 2009 08:33 PM

I have a feeling this will be closed as well.

lil_tuffy

lil_tuffy

MODERATOR

San Francisco, CA

NOV 02, 2009 08:38 PM

And I will close this thread and any further thread about this matter unless started by staff.

There has been ample feedback on the boards and in groups (Suicide Girls Only and otherwise).

As far as I know, this Sunday's double-shot of the lovely Aleon is a unique deviation from the norm and not a recurring feature for the site. If the staff would like to announce otherwise or solicit feedback it is their prerogative to do so.

As it stands, this has already generated way too much drama for the moderators.

I don't know why it happened but I do know that it isn't out of the ordinary for the staff to experiment with how sets are released (especially on Sundays!) or to focus on various themes.

I reiterate -- I am aware of no plans for "Double Shot Sunday" trend but if the staff wants an open discussion about it, I will leave it to them to initiate and moderate the discussion.

Thank you.

Sean

Sean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

NOV 02, 2009 09:48 PM

I don't see why people can't discuss this. Occasionally we experiment with different ways of choosing sets of the day and how often they go up, and if people want to praise or condemn these experiments, I think there needs to be a place for them to do it. While we make decisions mostly on google analytics and loved it/not for me and set comments, we also try to read board threads and take that feedback into consideration as well.

Also, please consider this thread re-opening me slapping you in the face tuffy.

Tuesdae

Tuesdae

USA
October 2007

NOV 02, 2009 09:52 PM

Sean said:
I don't see why people can't discuss this. Occasionally we experiment with different ways of choosing sets of the day and how often they go up, and if people want to praise or condemn these experiments, I think there needs to be a place for them to do it. While we make decisions mostly on google analytics and loved it/not for me and set comments, we also try to read board threads and take that feedback into consideration as well.

Also, please consider this thread re-opening me slapping you in the face tuffy.



So was it sort of staff picks a model at random and puts up two of her sets back to back just to see how members/models/etc would react towards that idea?

Since we're apparently allowed to talk about it now .. personally, I wouldn't mind so much if the two sets by the same girl were drastically different. Or maybe if one was just her and the other was a multi, I think that might be fun to do every now and then but having the two similar ones go up together just rubs me as kind of boring.

Scotty

Scotty

SUICIDEGIRL

Australia

NOV 02, 2009 09:57 PM

Tuesdae said:

Sean said:
I don't see why people can't discuss this. Occasionally we experiment with different ways of choosing sets of the day and how often they go up, and if people want to praise or condemn these experiments, I think there needs to be a place for them to do it. While we make decisions mostly on google analytics and loved it/not for me and set comments, we also try to read board threads and take that feedback into consideration as well.

Also, please consider this thread re-opening me slapping you in the face tuffy.





.. personally, I wouldn't mind so much if the two sets by the same girl were drastically different..



Yeah, kinda what I thought. I think if the two sets from the model have been considerably different from each other, there would have bees less of an uproar.

Rigel

Rigel

ASSPARTY

California, USA

NOV 02, 2009 09:59 PM

i wouldn't necessarily say she was picked at random... i mean, she did have two of the most commented on AND most loved sets in member review for 2 months.

Scotty

Scotty

SUICIDEGIRL

Australia

NOV 02, 2009 10:03 PM

I think what Tuesdae is trying to ask is, was it an... experiment of sorts?

pawko4b

pawko4b

Mechanicsburg, PA
May 2008

NOV 02, 2009 10:09 PM

This makes me happy now (not that my opinion really matters). So I say thank you for shedding some light and answers as to what was up with this biggrin.
And true, trying new things never hurts. Just unexpected ones just get the weirdest reactions at times.
This concludes my PawkCast day....*beep* and snowie screen.

Cockzombie

Cockzombie

San Diego, CA
July 2006

NOV 02, 2009 10:15 PM

Scotty said:
I think what Tuesdae is trying to ask is, was it an... experiment of sorts?



Sean said:
Occasionally we experiment with different ways of choosing sets of the day and how often they go up



I said my piece in the other thread, but find it absurd how quickly others jump to defend the company and disregard other models' on the site opinions. There is no reason to be so nasty, and when things like this do get brought up and generate discussion on a board titled "everything SG" it's dismissed as a whinefest and closed. You may not agree with how they feel, but don't belittle them for feeling it.

ETA: thank you, as always sean- for both listening to members and allowing the discussion to take place.

cognitive

cognitive

USA
October 2009

NOV 02, 2009 10:24 PM

Considering how often the site updates i hardly think 2 sets in a row is any sort of issue. God forbid someone has to wait another half a day for a new girl's set. tongue

Accuser

Accuser

Scottsdale, AZ
October 2006

NOV 02, 2009 10:34 PM

I wouldn't be against staff encouraging girls to have several sets "in the pipe," as it were. I could see that being the case were there some understood "double shot" day. Perhaps one a month would be better than one a week, though, given how much of an issue it's apparently been. But seeing a favorite, or a really hot new girl upload a few sets into member review at once would be pretty cool in my book.

But, on the other hand, I'm a "community" member, not so much an "omg boobz!" member*. It'd probably take me a while to notice if SG was just doing one set every other day, so my opinion on the rotation should probably be regarded with little or no weight.

*That's not to say I deride the "omg boobz!" members. After all, these are boobs we're talking about. I can understand that emotions run high.

Ridley

Ridley

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

NOV 02, 2009 11:53 PM

cognitive said:
Considering how often the site updates i hardly think 2 sets in a row is any sort of issue. God forbid someone has to wait another half a day for a new girl's set. tongue



The problem with your statement is that the usual standard now is only 1 set a day. 2 sets a day is a bonus, only for this random week.

Ridley

Ridley

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

NOV 02, 2009 11:54 PM

I don't mind a "two for" day of the same girl, but I agree that it should be two very very different sets. Different looks, or strongly themed, or one no theme and one themed. Something to make it more interesting.

pawko4b

pawko4b

Mechanicsburg, PA
May 2008

NOV 02, 2009 11:58 PM

Who ever said we were talking about boobs? shocked
I thought the discussion was about giving front page status to the sets created by the work of a model(s) and photographer and any other parties involved in the process. I could've sworn it was about the art being created.
Actually the emotions run high because of the many people who feel they have put in the time and work and feel they deserve the chance for their work to be bought and shown on the front page.
And some of the members who respect the work done by these parties feel their pain because they want them to succeed and feel the work they have done is good enough.
I do love the community but I do also support the hard work done by the gals and supporting cast.
I'm not arguing with the staff choosing to experiment with how the sets go up or their reasons. I'm sure they are valid and reasonable.
Long story short it was a test after all and we all learned from this. Any damage done I'm sure can be fixed and they can now apply what they learned from the mass opinions and ideas brought up by this.
I'm not going to get upset about who they chose because I personally did not follow her sets status and who this particular SG is in general as to whether or not she actually deserved this based on criteria aside from mere numbers.
I'm simply saying I can understand why people would feel the way they do and for what reasons.
All I was truelly curious about as a member in this fun filled and interesting community was WHY. I'm not saying I deserved an actual answer but for the many people who have clearly gotten upset or anger or interested in this incident. I feel a simple answer would've been nice and calmed some people down.

Well there I said it. Should I feel bad about this..no. I'm not trying to hurt anyone with my opinion. I'm just letting it be known after looking over what everyone has said and how people clearly feel or don't really care about this situation in it's out of the blue what the hell just happened kind of ways.

One last thing in regards to people saying yes we have had this happen in the past. Think of the ratio of SGs and hopefuls then in comparison to now. Those numbers do mean something as far as the odds of being selected are concerned.

Ok now I'm done.

Esmerine

Esmerine

France
January 2007

NOV 03, 2009 01:29 AM

pawko4b said:

All I was truelly curious about as a member in this fun filled and interesting community was WHY. I'm not saying I deserved an actual answer but for the many people who have clearly gotten upset or anger or interested in this incident. I feel a simple answer would've been nice and calmed some people down.

.



Thanks for making that point.Because right now it just feels like argueing or just ask for an answer is inapropriate.

Pseekaal

Pseekaal

SUICIDEGIRL

France

NOV 03, 2009 02:10 AM

Thank you to let the community express themself and to read the feedback. I think it isn't just free drama, but a way to say what we like and how the site could be great for all of us: members, models, staff,...

Jezel

Jezel

SUICIDEGIRL

I'm lost

NOV 03, 2009 03:29 AM

Ridley said:
I don't mind a "two for" day of the same girl, but I agree that it should be two very very different sets. Different looks, or strongly themed, or one no theme and one themed. Something to make it more interesting.



Definitely.

lil_tuffy

lil_tuffy

MODERATOR

San Francisco, CA

NOV 03, 2009 03:46 AM

Cockzombie said:

I said my piece in the other thread, but find it absurd how quickly others jump to defend the company and disregard other models' on the site opinions. There is no reason to be so nasty, and when things like this do get brought up and generate discussion on a board titled "everything SG" it's dismissed as a whinefest and closed. You may not agree with how they feel, but don't belittle them for feeling it.

ETA: thank you, as always sean- for both listening to members and allowing the discussion to take place.



The models have their own private forum to discuss model matters and that discussion has remained open the entire time without any interference from me.

Anthea

Anthea

SUICIDEGIRL

Norway

NOV 03, 2009 04:05 AM

Jezel said:

Ridley said:
I don't mind a "two for" day of the same girl, but I agree that it should be two very very different sets. Different looks, or strongly themed, or one no theme and one themed. Something to make it more interesting.



Definitely.



My thoughts exactly.

sldnhffg

sldnhffg

HOPEFUL

United Kingdom

NOV 03, 2009 04:16 AM

back to one set a day now!?

Sharyn

Sharyn

SUICIDEGIRL

United Kingdom

NOV 03, 2009 04:21 AM

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

pawko4b said:
Who ever said we were talking about boobs? shocked
I thought the discussion was about giving front page status to the sets created by the work of a model(s) and photographer and any other parties involved in the process. I could've sworn it was about the art being created.
Actually the emotions run high because of the many people who feel they have put in the time and work and feel they deserve the chance for their work to be bought and shown on the front page.
And some of the members who respect the work done by these parties feel their pain because they want them to succeed and feel the work they have done is good enough.
I do love the community but I do also support the hard work done by the gals and supporting cast.
I'm not arguing with the staff choosing to experiment with how the sets go up or their reasons. I'm sure they are valid and reasonable.
Long story short it was a test after all and we all learned from this. Any damage done I'm sure can be fixed and they can now apply what they learned from the mass opinions and ideas brought up by this.
I'm not going to get upset about who they chose because I personally did not follow her sets status and who this particular SG is in general as to whether or not she actually deserved this based on criteria aside from mere numbers.
I'm simply saying I can understand why people would feel the way they do and for what reasons.
All I was truelly curious about as a member in this fun filled and interesting community was WHY. I'm not saying I deserved an actual answer but for the many people who have clearly gotten upset or anger or interested in this incident. I feel a simple answer would've been nice and calmed some people down.

Well there I said it. Should I feel bad about this..no. I'm not trying to hurt anyone with my opinion. I'm just letting it be known after looking over what everyone has said and how people clearly feel or don't really care about this situation in it's out of the blue what the hell just happened kind of ways.

One last thing in regards to people saying yes we have had this happen in the past. Think of the ratio of SGs and hopefuls then in comparison to now. Those numbers do mean something as far as the odds of being selected are concerned.

Ok now I'm done.



Most of what you said here does it for me. I haven't looked at the sets myself and I am sure they are both worthy of the FP, but I did feel a bit of a slap in the old face.


SPOILERS! (Click to view)

i wouldn't necessarily say she was picked at random... i mean, she did have two of the most commented on AND most loved sets in member review for 2 months.



But there are other most commented on and loved sets that could have been chosen too, why were her sets not more spread out?

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