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Lelaina

Lelaina

SUICIDEGIRL

Australia

MAR 17, 2009 05:46 AM

Cherry said:
I think an extra criteria of creativity and effort could be added. For example, say a set didn't get a huge number of comments, but did hit a couple of the other marks AND is hugely creative or a lot of effort is clear then that would be good to have.

Also, perhaps a criteria of an existing SG hasn't had a purchased set in over a year can add weight to otherwise average comment count, but good loved percentage and feedback? I don't know if I explain that well though.



Cherry said:
Basically, I think some sets get overlooked by members for many reasons but maybe one of them is that the girl isn't the absolute HOTTEST OF THE HOT but is still super cute* and does a great set and if a) her new set is super creative or has a lot of clear effort made or b) she hasn't had a set in a long long time, then maybe that can go towards getting it accepted.



well said, i agree with this.

it seems unless you are extremely well known or are a huge spammer, you may tend to get over looked....

its nice to read that some other factors are taken into consideration

Exning

Exning

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

APR 25, 2009 01:28 PM

Fatality said:
It also pisses me off when girls aren't even active or concerned enough to give themselves a cover or put their sets in the right order, but that's neither here nor there...



i think it pisses me off more when girls who are extremely active on the site, seem to get the front page rarely..hah

Prussia

Prussia

SUICIDEGIRL

I'm lost

APR 25, 2009 01:46 PM

I still don't know how many sets that fits all the above are still in MR (like ny set)

Wit

Wit

SUICIDEGIRL

Louisiana, USA

APR 25, 2009 02:06 PM

Lelaina said:

Cherry said:
I think an extra criteria of creativity and effort could be added. For example, say a set didn't get a huge number of comments, but did hit a couple of the other marks AND is hugely creative or a lot of effort is clear then that would be good to have.

Also, perhaps a criteria of an existing SG hasn't had a purchased set in over a year can add weight to otherwise average comment count, but good loved percentage and feedback? I don't know if I explain that well though.



Cherry said:
Basically, I think some sets get overlooked by members for many reasons but maybe one of them is that the girl isn't the absolute HOTTEST OF THE HOT but is still super cute* and does a great set and if a) her new set is super creative or has a lot of clear effort made or b) she hasn't had a set in a long long time, then maybe that can go towards getting it accepted.



well said, i agree with this.

it seems unless you are extremely well known or are a huge spammer, you may tend to get over looked....

its nice to read that some other factors are taken into consideration


I like these suggestions as well

Jacksons

Jacksons

SUICIDEGIRL

British Columbia, Canada

APR 25, 2009 02:32 PM

Wit said:

Lelaina said:

Cherry said:
I think an extra criteria of creativity and effort could be added. For example, say a set didn't get a huge number of comments, but did hit a couple of the other marks AND is hugely creative or a lot of effort is clear then that would be good to have.

Also, perhaps a criteria of an existing SG hasn't had a purchased set in over a year can add weight to otherwise average comment count, but good loved percentage and feedback? I don't know if I explain that well though.



Cherry said:
Basically, I think some sets get overlooked by members for many reasons but maybe one of them is that the girl isn't the absolute HOTTEST OF THE HOT but is still super cute* and does a great set and if a) her new set is super creative or has a lot of clear effort made or b) she hasn't had a set in a long long time, then maybe that can go towards getting it accepted.



well said, i agree with this.

it seems unless you are extremely well known or are a huge spammer, you may tend to get over looked....

its nice to read that some other factors are taken into consideration


I like these suggestions as well



I agree! I love seeing really creative sets, and I'd love to see more hit the front page! It often seems that if the girl isn't 'sexy' and isn't showing enough 'vag' they can get over looked in the comment count because they get burried under the sets that are more explicit, because a lot of members only comment then. I'd love to see more props to the girls we don't see as often, and the ones who put a lot of effort and love into creating their sets!

finlay

finlay

United Kingdom
February 2009

APR 26, 2009 06:49 AM

Some of the discussion at the head of this thread was really helpful from a member's point of view - I'm assuming the criteria Sean posted remain the same following recent changes?

I'd just like to clarify - the length and quality of comments does count, but further comments from the same member won't, even if some time has elapsed? How does the process work once a set has gone up?

A couple of personal observations:

I tend to notice sets with strong imagery and/or ideas, and definitely agree that creativity should count, but not necessarily novelty for the sake of it - sometimes the simplest sets work beautifully

I like sets that evoke personalities and stories beyond the frame and sets that make me think again - I often go back to a set more than once before I comment, for what it's worth

I'm grateful for the opportunity to be involved, but glad MR is not just a numbers game. I hope staff and council can stay focused on redefining beauty without getting jaded - it's a tough job.

Fabrizia

Fabrizia

SUICIDEGIRL

New York, USA

APR 26, 2009 01:10 PM

Well said. ^
I was under the impression that comment count has no real bearing on whether or not a set gets chosen, and that it is more important to have a good "loved it" to "not for me" ratio. I have seen sub-par sets get over 400 comments in a short amount of time, and I've seen fantastic sets get less than that over a longer time period. Doesn't seem to affect pink-worthiness. Is this correct?

sugarnips

sugarnips

HOPEFUL

I'm lost

APR 26, 2009 02:44 PM

MissySue said:
Well said. ^
I was under the impression that comment count has no real bearing on whether or not a set gets chosen, and that it is more important to have a good "loved it" to "not for me" ratio. I have seen sub-par sets get over 400 comments in a short amount of time, and I've seen fantastic sets get less than that over a longer time period. Doesn't seem to affect pink-worthiness. Is this correct?



i think you're right. theres a few sets in MR with high comment counts that havnt been bought which leads me to think the quality/theme etc isnt up to the standard, some have been there for years - and on the other hand theres some sets that get alot less comments and are still bought so quality/theme must be the deciding factor with these. correct me if im wrong

Exning

Exning

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

APR 26, 2009 03:00 PM

maybe it's just magic....?

Ashbury

Ashbury

Tampa, FL
April 2009

MAY 01, 2009 09:05 PM

Pumpkin said:
I know this has been refered to once or twice, but the explicitness of the set must have some indirect effect too. There's a fair share of people who comment a lot more if there's a lot of meat, and also put some mean and tasteless comments if there isn't enough.

Then again, that's why it's very important and good that member comment count isn't the only factor to determine if it's bought or not. I hope it partly keeps comments such as 'you're cute, now show me some vag' in compromising the process of having a set selected. I know it has a bit to do with the different styles and personnalities we were talking about earlier, but still, the level of nudity is mostly a question of choice, and I think, as we said, girls who are more shy then others shouldn't be disadvantaged bc of that.





I agree with this. When I submitted my application to SG and uploaded my set yadda yadda yadda I knew what I was getting myself into. So after I made staff pick and am awaiting MR I started to browse the site and the girls and saw some of their pics, and I'm a little worried because my pics arent as explicit as some of theirs and I thought maybe I did something wrong...
But I'm just not comfortable with that (not just yet anyway) and I don't want that to affect my chances of people liking me. I think that quality should matter rather than how much is shown.

I didn't think this was suppose to be straight out porn I thought SG's were suppose to be pin-up girls doing tasteful art and some of these comments and some of the ideas as to what should be shown or how somethings should be shot doesn't seem very fair to people like me arent ready or arent into that kind of thing. *shrugs I think it should be considered...

Shal

Shal

Los Angeles, CA
October 2002

MAY 01, 2009 09:31 PM

Ashbury said:

Pumpkin said:
I know this has been refered to once or twice, but the explicitness of the set must have some indirect effect too. There's a fair share of people who comment a lot more if there's a lot of meat, and also put some mean and tasteless comments if there isn't enough.

Then again, that's why it's very important and good that member comment count isn't the only factor to determine if it's bought or not. I hope it partly keeps comments such as 'you're cute, now show me some vag' in compromising the process of having a set selected. I know it has a bit to do with the different styles and personnalities we were talking about earlier, but still, the level of nudity is mostly a question of choice, and I think, as we said, girls who are more shy then others shouldn't be disadvantaged bc of that.





I agree with this. When I submitted my application to SG and uploaded my set yadda yadda yadda I knew what I was getting myself into. So after I made staff pick and am awaiting MR I started to browse the site and the girls and saw some of their pics, and I'm a little worried because my pics arent as explicit as some of theirs and I thought maybe I did something wrong...
But I'm just not comfortable with that (not just yet anyway) and I don't want that to affect my chances of people liking me. I think that quality should matter rather than how much is shown.

I didn't think this was suppose to be straight out porn I thought SG's were suppose to be pin-up girls doing tasteful art and some of these comments and some of the ideas as to what should be shown or how somethings should be shot doesn't seem very fair to people like me arent ready or arent into that kind of thing. *shrugs I think it should be considered...



Please look at the sets that have gone up in the past year and let me know when you figure out the percentage of "explicit" pics to "non-explicit" pics and see what your opinion of this idea is afterwards.

I'm also curious what your definition of "explicit" is. I just checked a few of the most recent sets and I didn't see any masturbation, or any of pelvic-exam or anal-exam shots you see on porn sites.

I specifically want to address this:

I don't want that to affect my chances of people liking me. I think that quality should matter rather than how much is shown.



If you base your idea of whether or not people "like you" on how many comments your Hopeful sets get or whether or not you become an SG (or if you actually think that people leaving nice comments on your nudie pics means they "like you" or even think about you in any way other than to think you're hot and that they might want to jerk off to your pictures)... well... you might wanna think about that for a couple years before you get naked on the internet, on any site.

Cherry

Cherry

SUICIDEGIRL

British Columbia, Canada

MAY 01, 2009 09:48 PM

Ashbury said:

Pumpkin said:
I know this has been refered to once or twice, but the explicitness of the set must have some indirect effect too. There's a fair share of people who comment a lot more if there's a lot of meat, and also put some mean and tasteless comments if there isn't enough.

Then again, that's why it's very important and good that member comment count isn't the only factor to determine if it's bought or not. I hope it partly keeps comments such as 'you're cute, now show me some vag' in compromising the process of having a set selected. I know it has a bit to do with the different styles and personnalities we were talking about earlier, but still, the level of nudity is mostly a question of choice, and I think, as we said, girls who are more shy then others shouldn't be disadvantaged bc of that.



I agree with this. When I submitted my application to SG and uploaded my set yadda yadda yadda I knew what I was getting myself into. So after I made staff pick and am awaiting MR I started to browse the site and the girls and saw some of their pics, and I'm a little worried because my pics arent as explicit as some of theirs and I thought maybe I did something wrong...
But I'm just not comfortable with that (not just yet anyway) and I don't want that to affect my chances of people liking me. I think that quality should matter rather than how much is shown.

I didn't think this was suppose to be straight out porn I thought SG's were suppose to be pin-up girls doing tasteful art and some of these comments and some of the ideas as to what should be shown or how somethings should be shot doesn't seem very fair to people like me arent ready or arent into that kind of thing. *shrugs I think it should be considered...




all of these recently accepted sets are not explicit in any sense of the word:

http://suicidegirls.com/girls/Quinne/photos/god+save+the/
http://suicidegirls.com/girls/Jacksons/photos/May+the+fourth+be+with+you/
http://suicidegirls.com/girls/SophieB/photos/Cest+si+bon/
http://suicidegirls.com/girls/Sofia/photos/Little+Shadows/
http://suicidegirls.com/girls/Miatch/photos/reserviert+/
http://suicidegirls.com/girls/Paula/photos/and+the+birds/
http://suicidegirls.com/girls/Ciria/photos/+Distortion+/
http://suicidegirls.com/girls/Teslaa/photos/Treehugger/
http://suicidegirls.com/girls/Opale/photos/L%27atelier/

and that's just the first page of most recent front page sets. i'm not pointing this out to be mean, but really as a photographer i hear this kind of thing WAY too much. "oh i have to show tons of spread shots to get my set accepted". this is so far beyond true i can't even begin to tell you.

it's sad but i think this is just a false kind of expectation people have come to believe because of certain tags or comments, but it's not true.

maybe some of those explicit sets get a few more comments (sometimes) - and this is really only true when it's the type of set that is 1. average to well shot. 2. a really hot girl. 3. well lit and 4. a theme that appeals to many people. really it's just the way numbers work - you satisfy more tastes (or requirements) and you'll get more comments.

conversely i also see super explicit sets get hardly any comments and that's usually because the set sucks.

Ashbury

Ashbury

Tampa, FL
April 2009

MAY 01, 2009 09:56 PM

Shalome said:

Ashbury said:

Pumpkin said:
I know this has been refered to once or twice, but the explicitness of the set must have some indirect effect too. There's a fair share of people who comment a lot more if there's a lot of meat, and also put some mean and tasteless comments if there isn't enough.

Then again, that's why it's very important and good that member comment count isn't the only factor to determine if it's bought or not. I hope it partly keeps comments such as 'you're cute, now show me some vag' in compromising the process of having a set selected. I know it has a bit to do with the different styles and personnalities we were talking about earlier, but still, the level of nudity is mostly a question of choice, and I think, as we said, girls who are more shy then others shouldn't be disadvantaged bc of that.





I agree with this. When I submitted my application to SG and uploaded my set yadda yadda yadda I knew what I was getting myself into. So after I made staff pick and am awaiting MR I started to browse the site and the girls and saw some of their pics, and I'm a little worried because my pics arent as explicit as some of theirs and I thought maybe I did something wrong...
But I'm just not comfortable with that (not just yet anyway) and I don't want that to affect my chances of people liking me. I think that quality should matter rather than how much is shown.

I didn't think this was suppose to be straight out porn I thought SG's were suppose to be pin-up girls doing tasteful art and some of these comments and some of the ideas as to what should be shown or how somethings should be shot doesn't seem very fair to people like me arent ready or arent into that kind of thing. *shrugs I think it should be considered...



Please look at the sets that have gone up in the past year and let me know when you figure out the percentage of "explicit" pics to "non-explicit" pics and see what your opinion of this idea is afterwards.

I'm also curious what your definition of "explicit" is. I just checked a few of the most recent sets and I didn't see any masturbation, or any of pelvic-exam or anal-exam shots you see on porn sites.

I specifically want to address this:

I don't want that to affect my chances of people liking me. I think that quality should matter rather than how much is shown.



If you base your idea of whether or not people "like you" on how many comments your Hopeful sets get or whether or not you become an SG (or if you actually think that people leaving nice comments on your nudie pics means they "like you" or even think about you in any way other than to think you're hot and that they might want to jerk off to your pictures)... well... you might wanna think about that for a couple years before you get naked on the internet, on any site.




I'm sorry I didn't mean solely the pics when I was saying that. I meant in the ideas of what some of the pics should have been. In another board I was reading about comments and tags that SG's had received that they deemed ridiculous and there seemed to be a majority when it came to tags and comments stating that they needed to show more vag or something along those lines and I wasn't expecting that to be something you would comment on to complain about.

And I didn't think that would be a problem since in the criteria for sets it says that breasts and ass are a must and I didn't really think much more on it. But after I saw the other sets... I suppose what I meant was that I wasn't expecting it.

But I still think that for hopefuls that type of thing should be taken into consideration for their sets getting chosen.

Otter

Otter

SUICIDEGIRL

I'm lost

MAY 01, 2009 10:01 PM

Ashbury said:

Pumpkin said:
I know this has been refered to once or twice, but the explicitness of the set must have some indirect effect too. There's a fair share of people who comment a lot more if there's a lot of meat, and also put some mean and tasteless comments if there isn't enough.

Then again, that's why it's very important and good that member comment count isn't the only factor to determine if it's bought or not. I hope it partly keeps comments such as 'you're cute, now show me some vag' in compromising the process of having a set selected. I know it has a bit to do with the different styles and personnalities we were talking about earlier, but still, the level of nudity is mostly a question of choice, and I think, as we said, girls who are more shy then others shouldn't be disadvantaged bc of that.





I agree with this. When I submitted my application to SG and uploaded my set yadda yadda yadda I knew what I was getting myself into. So after I made staff pick and am awaiting MR I started to browse the site and the girls and saw some of their pics, and I'm a little worried because my pics arent as explicit as some of theirs and I thought maybe I did something wrong...
But I'm just not comfortable with that (not just yet anyway) and I don't want that to affect my chances of people liking me. I think that quality should matter rather than how much is shown.

I didn't think this was suppose to be straight out porn I thought SG's were suppose to be pin-up girls doing tasteful art and some of these comments and some of the ideas as to what should be shown or how somethings should be shot doesn't seem very fair to people like me arent ready or arent into that kind of thing. *shrugs I think it should be considered...



I currently have a set posted for member review that has 822 Comments and 95% Loved... Not one vag shot; not even one full-frontal nude! You do not have to have an "explicit" set in order to have a high comment count and/or high percent loved.

Ashbury

Ashbury

Tampa, FL
April 2009

MAY 01, 2009 10:02 PM

Cherry said:

Ashbury said:

Pumpkin said:
I know this has been refered to once or twice, but the explicitness of the set must have some indirect effect too. There's a fair share of people who comment a lot more if there's a lot of meat, and also put some mean and tasteless comments if there isn't enough.

Then again, that's why it's very important and good that member comment count isn't the only factor to determine if it's bought or not. I hope it partly keeps comments such as 'you're cute, now show me some vag' in compromising the process of having a set selected. I know it has a bit to do with the different styles and personnalities we were talking about earlier, but still, the level of nudity is mostly a question of choice, and I think, as we said, girls who are more shy then others shouldn't be disadvantaged bc of that.



I agree with this. When I submitted my application to SG and uploaded my set yadda yadda yadda I knew what I was getting myself into. So after I made staff pick and am awaiting MR I started to browse the site and the girls and saw some of their pics, and I'm a little worried because my pics arent as explicit as some of theirs and I thought maybe I did something wrong...
But I'm just not comfortable with that (not just yet anyway) and I don't want that to affect my chances of people liking me. I think that quality should matter rather than how much is shown.

I didn't think this was suppose to be straight out porn I thought SG's were suppose to be pin-up girls doing tasteful art and some of these comments and some of the ideas as to what should be shown or how somethings should be shot doesn't seem very fair to people like me arent ready or arent into that kind of thing. *shrugs I think it should be considered...




all of these recently accepted sets are not explicit in any sense of the word:

http://suicidegirls.com/girls/Quinne/photos/god+save+the/
http://suicidegirls.com/girls/Jacksons/photos/May+the+fourth+be+with+you/
http://suicidegirls.com/girls/SophieB/photos/Cest+si+bon/
http://suicidegirls.com/girls/Sofia/photos/Little+Shadows/
http://suicidegirls.com/girls/Miatch/photos/reserviert+/
http://suicidegirls.com/girls/Paula/photos/and+the+birds/
http://suicidegirls.com/girls/Ciria/photos/+Distortion+/
http://suicidegirls.com/girls/Teslaa/photos/Treehugger/
http://suicidegirls.com/girls/Opale/photos/L%27atelier/

and that's just the first page of most recent front page sets. i'm not pointing this out to be mean, but really as a photographer i hear this kind of thing WAY too much. "oh i have to show tons of spread shots to get my set accepted". this is so far beyond true i can't even begin to tell you.

it's sad but i think this is just a false kind of expectation people have come to believe because of certain tags or comments, but it's not true.

maybe some of those explicit sets get a few more comments (sometimes) - and this is really only true when it's the type of set that is 1. average to well shot. 2. a really hot girl. 3. well lit and 4. a theme that appeals to many people. really it's just the way numbers work - you satisfy more tastes (or requirements) and you'll get more comments.

conversely i also see super explicit sets get hardly any comments and that's usually because the set sucks.




Oh thanks I'm just trying to figure out what works and what doesn't, and today I stumbled across this thread talking about "wtf comments" and I got kinda freaked out. I wasn't expecting that. I understand that people will get good and bad comments but some of the comments and tags seem a little ridiculous and if comments are what help decide whether or not a set gets chosen I think it would be unfair if a set didn't get picked because some members think it didn't show enough.

But thanks Cherry and Shalome for replies. It helped. :]

Scotty

Scotty

SUICIDEGIRL

Australia

MAY 02, 2009 12:16 AM

Prussia said:
I still don't know how many sets that fits all the above are still in MR (like ny set)



Yep, agreed.

Dryad

Dryad

HOPEFUL

Asheville, NC

MAY 02, 2009 07:34 AM

I definitely think the level of effort and creativity should be a major factor in choosing sets. I feel like an exceptional set should take work, and that work should show in the final product. Planning all the aspects, such as background, theme, hair, makeup, outfit, props, etc. make a set of much higher quality than those that are seemingly just thrown together or not thought out. Of course there are exceptions, but in general I like when the effort pays off for both the viewer and the model (and photographer).

Fabrizia

Fabrizia

SUICIDEGIRL

New York, USA

MAY 02, 2009 05:09 PM

Yes, me too! ^
To comment on Pumpkin's thoughts, I honestly think that being too "explicit" if you will, actually can hurt your chances of going live. I have not seen a single set of the day where there are pics that bring a colonoscopy to mind, lol, but HAVE seen pics like this in MR that have NOT been bought.
It's about quality. Do whatever you want to but stick to the SG standards, and do it well, and that's what will count. smile

DerieCherie

DerieCherie

HOPEFUL

USA

JUN 27, 2009 10:33 AM

Exning said:
maybe it's just magic....?



Ha it seems that way....

the criteria are vague enough to leave room for the staff to make the final say and not let too much bias or favoritism by certain members take away from good sets goinng live! biggrin

Lenya

Lenya

HOPEFUL

Poland

AUG 16, 2009 01:58 PM

Hm... creativity.. But half of live sets are girls in bed. This same poses, same faces.

Solaray

Solaray

USA
July 2009

AUG 16, 2009 03:40 PM

im a fan of the super creative sets...i wish there were more of them....

Expo

Expo

United Kingdom
July 2008

JUN 27, 2010 11:02 PM

Lenya said:
Hm... creativity.. But half of live sets are girls in bed. This same poses, same faces.



100% agree.

talamia

talamia

South Africa
July 2008

JUN 28, 2010 08:20 AM

Expo said:

Lenya said:
Hm... creativity.. But half of live sets are girls in bed. This same poses, same faces.



100% agree.



Unfortunately if a very creative set does not have good modelling/expressions/photography then of course the more natural bed set with good modelling/expressions/photography is going to trump the former. At the end of the day that first criteria has to be fulfilled first and foremost.

Warning

Warning

SUICIDEGIRL

Florida, USA

JUL 01, 2010 10:46 AM


I didn't think this was suppose to be straight out porn I thought SG's were suppose to be pin-up girls doing tasteful art and some of these comments and some of the ideas as to what should be shown or how somethings should be shot doesn't seem very fair to people like me arent ready or arent into that kind of thing. *shrugs I think it should be considered...



I think now-days.....you have to show your butthole......
whatever

I'm fairly certain. I have researched this topic.

Rigel

Rigel

ASSPARTY

California, USA

JUL 01, 2010 05:05 PM

Warning said:


I didn't think this was suppose to be straight out porn I thought SG's were suppose to be pin-up girls doing tasteful art and some of these comments and some of the ideas as to what should be shown or how somethings should be shot doesn't seem very fair to people like me arent ready or arent into that kind of thing. *shrugs I think it should be considered...



I think now-days.....you have to show your butthole......
whatever

I'm fairly certain. I have researched this topic.



um, i'm pretty sure not.

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