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SEP 10, 2008 02:13 PM
I feel like we were a little misled into thinking the quality of hopefulls sets would be better.
I would like to add that I like that sets submitted recently are going up faster.
I remember reading a comment that "only staff reveiw" sets were not even being looked at which causes a lot of pressure to give free content to girls who may not be interested in doing that.
weither that was true i cant remember where i read it or who said it. (can anyone clarify?)
I think that its a great way for popular girls to have sets baught. and much much harder for girls who dont have a huge fan base. I have also noticed... that some sets by incredibly popular lady's are less creative... (but big props to some of the girls .. amina and sunshine just on the top of my head for continuing to be creative) I assume becuase they are knowing they will get the set baught through MR regardless of the creativity tho im doubtfull they had many recently regected before member reveiw.
I love that girls are now able to do more risky themed sets.
I agree with Elea on its a really big bummer to have to keep sets up for 3 months in MR within a month you know if your set is going to be up (for the most part)
I also agree that we should have a 3 month waiting period between sets.
3 months is not long and gives girls some forced time to be creative.
SEP 10, 2008 02:19 PM
Pip said:
I also don't like reading journals of SG's I am friends with and friendly with and having them as me to vote on their sets. I'm not opposed to self-promotion, but I don't like that SG's I know and like and respect are reverted back to being hopefuls. It makes being an SG have less impact and less meaning. It transforms being an SG into being the popular hopeful.
This is so very true.
SEP 10, 2008 02:25 PM
Shalome said:
Member Review creates more problems than it solves, in my opinion, and brings a lot of negative aspects to SG that didn't exist before.
I feel like the poor quality (whether it be the photography, the Photoshopping, or the girl herself) of many of the MR sets waters down the SG brand.
MR also contributes to sets that appeal to the broadest possible audience or the lowest common denominator (where you get awesome comments like "OMG HUGE TITS, LOVED IT!" or "THANKS FOR SHOWING SO MUCH VAG!!!!! HOPE U GO PINK SOON SO I CAN SEE MORE OF UR PINK LOL").
Hopefuls can post on Myspace "Check out my Suicidegirls set" when they've only got a set in MR, but since their sets appear to be official on SG (and are next to known SGs' MR sets), it lowers the public perception of what SG is.
The "getting to know a girl's personality, not just her pictures" element that made SG special has been blown away by the new necessity of spamming for comment count.
The old "SG is not a popularity contest" line is no longer true. Forcing the girls (Suicidegirls and Hopefuls alike) to compete for attention leads to some really awful behavior, and it's just sad. It's not fun, it's not interesting, and it sucks to watch people you used to like interacting with have to push their personality aside and forget about having fun on SG in order to focus on pushing their own sets.
Yeah, the fast track for sets that deserve it is nice, but why can't that happen behind the scenes anyway? If a set is so amazing that it deserves to be on the front page tomorrow, put it on the front page tomorrow! Missy and Sean should have final say as to what goes up when.. not the girls themselves, not the photographers, not the members.
I'm in the camp that cares more about quality and less about quantity or some weird concept of "fairness" (as in "it's not faaaaaair I haven't had a set go up in a year!" or "it's not faaaaaaaaaaair I have put like 10 sets in member review and I'm still a Hopeful"). I'm afraid I might be in the minority, though.
You have hit the nail on the head.
But my only problem with this statement is that staff, seemingly to me, doesn't pick the sets I want to see the most. That may be ok, or not, because I probably am a minority in my tastes. I'll just have to deal with it.
SEP 10, 2008 02:27 PM
Shalome said:
Member Review creates more problems than it solves, in my opinion, and brings a lot of negative aspects to SG that didn't exist before.
I feel like the poor quality (whether it be the photography, the Photoshopping, or the girl herself) of many of the MR sets waters down the SG brand.
MR also contributes to sets that appeal to the broadest possible audience or the lowest common denominator (where you get awesome comments like "OMG HUGE TITS, LOVED IT!" or "THANKS FOR SHOWING SO MUCH VAG!!!!! HOPE U GO PINK SOON SO I CAN SEE MORE OF UR PINK LOL").
Hopefuls can post on Myspace "Check out my Suicidegirls set" when they've only got a set in MR, but since their sets appear to be official on SG (and are next to known SGs' MR sets), it lowers the public perception of what SG is.
The "getting to know a girl's personality, not just her pictures" element that made SG special has been blown away by the new necessity of spamming for comment count.
The old "SG is not a popularity contest" line is no longer true. Forcing the girls (Suicidegirls and Hopefuls alike) to compete for attention leads to some really awful behavior, and it's just sad. It's not fun, it's not interesting, and it sucks to watch people you used to like interacting with have to push their personality aside and forget about having fun on SG in order to focus on pushing their own sets.
Yeah, the fast track for sets that deserve it is nice, but why can't that happen behind the scenes anyway? If a set is so amazing that it deserves to be on the front page tomorrow, put it on the front page tomorrow! Missy and Sean should have final say as to what goes up when.. not the girls themselves, not the photographers, not the members.
I'm in the camp that cares more about quality and less about quantity or some weird concept of "fairness" (as in "it's not faaaaaair I haven't had a set go up in a year!" or "it's not faaaaaaaaaaair I have put like 10 sets in member review and I'm still a Hopeful"). I'm afraid I might be in the minority, though.
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SEP 10, 2008 02:36 PM
Shalome said:
Member Review creates more problems than it solves, in my opinion, and brings a lot of negative aspects to SG that didn't exist before.
I feel like the poor quality (whether it be the photography, the Photoshopping, or the girl herself) of many of the MR sets waters down the SG brand.
MR also contributes to sets that appeal to the broadest possible audience or the lowest common denominator (where you get awesome comments like "OMG HUGE TITS, LOVED IT!" or "THANKS FOR SHOWING SO MUCH VAG!!!!! HOPE U GO PINK SOON SO I CAN SEE MORE OF UR PINK LOL").
Hopefuls can post on Myspace "Check out my Suicidegirls set" when they've only got a set in MR, but since their sets appear to be official on SG (and are next to known SGs' MR sets), it lowers the public perception of what SG is.
The "getting to know a girl's personality, not just her pictures" element that made SG special has been blown away by the new necessity of spamming for comment count.
The old "SG is not a popularity contest" line is no longer true. Forcing the girls (Suicidegirls and Hopefuls alike) to compete for attention leads to some really awful behavior, and it's just sad. It's not fun, it's not interesting, and it sucks to watch people you used to like interacting with have to push their personality aside and forget about having fun on SG in order to focus on pushing their own sets.
Yeah, the fast track for sets that deserve it is nice, but why can't that happen behind the scenes anyway? If a set is so amazing that it deserves to be on the front page tomorrow, put it on the front page tomorrow! Missy and Sean should have final say as to what goes up when.. not the girls themselves, not the photographers, not the members.
I'm in the camp that cares more about quality and less about quantity or some weird concept of "fairness" (as in "it's not faaaaaair I haven't had a set go up in a year!" or "it's not faaaaaaaaaaair I have put like 10 sets in member review and I'm still a Hopeful"). I'm afraid I might be in the minority, though.
Very well said, and I completely agree.

ZetaMale
Tallahassee, FL
April 2006
SEP 10, 2008 02:37 PM
Morgan said:
Shalome said:
I feel like the poor quality (whether it be the photography, the Photoshopping, or the girl herself) of many of the MR sets waters down the SG brand.
MR also contributes to sets that appeal to the broadest possible audience or the lowest common denominator (where you get awesome comments like "OMG HUGE TITS, LOVED IT!" or "THANKS FOR SHOWING SO MUCH VAG!!!!! HOPE U GO PINK SOON SO I CAN SEE MORE OF UR PINK LOL").
Hopefuls can post on Myspace "Check out my Suicidegirls set" when they've only got a set in MR, but since their sets appear to be official on SG (and are next to known SGs' MR sets), it lowers the public perception of what SG is.
The "getting to know a girl's personality, not just her pictures" element that made SG special has been blown away by the new necessity of spamming for comment count.
The old "SG is not a popularity contest" line is no longer true. Forcing the girls (Suicidegirls and Hopefuls alike) to compete for attention leads to some really awful behavior, and it's just sad. It's not fun, it's not interesting, and it sucks to watch people you used to like interacting with have to push their personality aside and forget about having fun on SG in order to focus on pushing their own sets.
Yeah, the fast track for sets that deserve it is nice, but why can't that happen behind the scenes anyway? If a set is so amazing that it deserves to be on the front page tomorrow, put it on the front page tomorrow! Missy and Sean should have final say as to what goes up when.. not the girls themselves, not the photographers, not the members.
I'm in the camp that cares more about quality and less about quantity or some weird concept of "fairness" (as in "it's not faaaaaair I haven't had a set go up in a year!" or "it's not faaaaaaaaaaair I have put like 10 sets in member review and I'm still a Hopeful"). I'm afraid I might be in the minority, though.
This comment is so awesome that I now owe you a pizza.
And I'll chip in for a 2 liter and breadsticks.

WyldeSage
I'm lost
June 2008
SEP 10, 2008 02:47 PM
SuprePizzaMan wrote:
and create a small preview of the set (3 - 5 pictures). This could create more interest, anticipation, and mystery of what's contained within the whole set. Everyone likes a little mystery. Sell me the set in 3 photos, make me want to see more!
I completely agree with this too, makes much more sense....if I look at the whole thing in member review, I am not going to really bother looking at it again if it does go live.
SEP 10, 2008 02:57 PM
the only thing I'm missing is quality control. there are still a lot of sets in MR that are just there making the queue longer.
SEP 10, 2008 03:21 PM
I feel that Member Review needs to have standards, like the photos going up on the front page. There are so many extremely poor in quality sets which have clearly had little work put into them, mixed in with some fantastic, up to standard sets that don't seem to get enough attention.
There are some great sets that come out of member review, especially now that people are paying more attention to them. However, member review at times does feel like a popularity contest. I can look all the way back to the sets that were submitted in the early days of member review and find some sets that are definitely front page worthy still. But with any of these sets, due to how old they are, or how popular or active the Suicidegirl or hopeful is on the site, they are overlooked (I am a wee bit biased here since I do have a set in member review, and feel like I've been overlooked).
Sets that have clearly had a lot of time, effort, and sometimes money put into them, that clearly don't have anything wrong with them (lack of/over-used theme, bad lighting, bad poses, etc.), and are unique, I want to see on the front page. Any girl that is already a Suicidegirl, and hopefuls that are suitable for the site should all be reviewed equally when they meet these standards.
SEP 10, 2008 03:40 PM
Malice said:
Any girl that is already a Suicidegirl, and hopefuls that are suitable for the site should all be reviewed equally when they meet these standards.
This is where I have to disagree.
I can find well-shot pictures of hot ladies (even hot alt ladies) anywhere on the internet.
It's the personalities and quirks that draw me in, not the lips and tits. The girls used to go through personal interviews with Missy before SGHQ decided whether or not the girls were SG material.
If a girl has no personality or presence (or worse, an awful personality), I couldn't care less whether or not her set goes up.
I wish personality and presence would be factored more heavily into the set selection process again. Yep, it would mean fewer sets from some girls and fewer SGs chosen out of the Hopefuls, more sets from some girls and less from others, but it would raise the caliber of the site overall.
SEP 10, 2008 03:45 PM
Shalome said:
I wish personality and presence would be factored more heavily into the set selection process again.
me too
SEP 10, 2008 03:46 PM
Shalome said:
I wish personality and presence would be factored more heavily into the set selection process again. Yep, it would mean fewer sets from some girls and fewer SGs chosen out of the Hopefuls, more sets from some girls and less from others, but it would raise the caliber of the site overall.
Agreed. When I first started modeling here, personality counted. I think it still should.
SEP 10, 2008 04:04 PM
Oh yes I think personality is a big factor.
I've had hopefuls and sg's add me and only blogged about their sets or their comments were about their sets. Or had no entries at all!
yawnnn.
I don't care, if I think you are hot I will look at your set. I would prefer to get to know you and chat with you. I love talking to people on here!
But if they only comment about their stupid sets I do take them off my list. I love the whole community thing, but spamming your set is spamming. I don't want any of it thanks.
SEP 10, 2008 05:06 PM
Lyric said:
I remember reading a comment that "only staff reveiw" sets were not even being looked at which causes a lot of pressure to give free content to girls who may not be interested in doing that.
weither that was true i cant remember where i read it or who said it. (can anyone clarify?)
It was in the SG Lounge...
SEP 10, 2008 05:26 PM
Satya said:
Lyric said:
I remember reading a comment that "only staff reveiw" sets were not even being looked at which causes a lot of pressure to give free content to girls who may not be interested in doing that.
weither that was true i cant remember where i read it or who said it. (can anyone clarify?)
It was in the SG Lounge...
^^^ No wait, it was this comment by Sean in the SG group, not the lounge. Just to clarify.
SEP 10, 2008 05:27 PM
SupremePizzaMan said:
It's of no added value to me as a member when a set that was in MR is put to the front page or not.
I've already seen it in MR, there's nothing new added to it, it's redundant to me. I empathize with the girls' excitement of having it featured, but as a member it doesn't really matter to me; I've already seen it.
Perhaps when submitting to MR staff could better scrutinize the quality of what they're putting up, and create a small preview of the set (3 - 5 pictures). This could create more interest, anticipation, and mystery of what's contained within the whole set. Everyone likes a little mystery. Sell me the set in 3 photos, make me want to see more!
I don't even vote on MR sets because as I stated before, there's no added value in it for me. I think this could be a viable way to create that value, and maybe even bring some excitement to the set review/acceptance process for members.
also, if i may say so, its had a terrible impact on your group (it used to be one of the most fun)
SEP 10, 2008 05:34 PM
Shalome said:
Malice said:
Any girl that is already a Suicidegirl, and hopefuls that are suitable for the site should all be reviewed equally when they meet these standards.
This is where I have to disagree.
I can find well-shot pictures of hot ladies (even hot alt ladies) anywhere on the internet.
It's the personalities and quirks that draw me in, not the lips and tits. The girls used to go through personal interviews with Missy before SGHQ decided whether or not the girls were SG material.
If a girl has no personality or presence (or worse, an awful personality), I couldn't care less whether or not her set goes up.
I wish personality and presence would be factored more heavily into the set selection process again. Yep, it would mean fewer sets from some girls and fewer SGs chosen out of the Hopefuls, more sets from some girls and less from others, but it would raise the caliber of the site overall.
That's what I meant by "...Suicidegirl, and hopefuls that are suitable for the site". I suppose that I thought it went without saying. One of the requirements when I was applying to become a Suicidegirl was that my personality was unique and suitable for the site. With that said, the given being that any current Suicidegirls had already gone through that process, and deemed suitable.
I should have added: I feel that a set should personally reflect the girl as well. ![]()
SEP 10, 2008 05:43 PM
Shalome said:
I wish personality and presence would be factored more heavily into the set selection process again. Yep, it would mean fewer sets from some girls and fewer SGs chosen out of the Hopefuls, more sets from some girls and less from others, but it would raise the caliber of the site overall.
This. ^
Also, if you want to raise all these standards to have a set even put into member review, then you're going to need staff strictly policing what gets in. If you're going to have staff stringently policing what gets in, then you essentially have staff review.
Which is fine, really. I'm hearing a lot more positives about staff review, and the more I read this thread the more I'm convinced that member review is really unnecessary, and possibly even harmful to the site.
Maybe staff could be a little more lenient on the fashion reports or whatever, though.
SEP 10, 2008 05:47 PM
Dwam said:
I agree on all Pip, TFOK and Fatality said.
I really like the fact MR allow us not to wait for ages the day staff will decide to put our set live, and permits us to get over the trend report. I've been glad to see very creative and nice sets through MR... but of course they haven't all went live. Anyway, everybody has very different tastes, so will never see everybody 100% content.
The main things I dislike with MR is this kind of popularity contest, and everybody advertising everywhere everytimes. I mean, I do advertise too, I do show some selection of sets I advice people to watch out - because I look at as many sets I can, really, and know lots of people feel overwhelmed. But I also love to read blogs and learn about girls' lifes and thoughts, and now I get tired of reading "look at my set !" "vote for me" "show me love" "help me" over and over.
However, for somebody like me, always craving for images and beauty, MR has a HUGE advantage : I can watch so many sets that should have never seen the light of day with the old system. I'm sad many of them will never hit frontpage and the girls never get paid, but, jesus, for my egoistic pleasure, I'm glad to get the chance to see all these beauties and all these ideas !
I apologize for my crappy english but my brain is melting, I'm far too tired to be able to write and think correctly in foreign language.....sorry
I'm with Dwam in this. I'm glad to have the chance of seeing different sets again. Last year almost all of the sets were bed sets, so it's good to see darker sets and sets with themes and unique sets being accepted again.
One thing I dislike is seeing popular girls on the front page every month (and sometimes, in less time). It's like.. I see the set of a popular girl and even though I like seeing sets of that girl (it's an example), I stil think "oh, and there she is again. It's up until next week". But that's a matter of personal taste, I guess..?
I do find annoying the "vote for me, my set is in mr" blogs and posts. And I dislike very much girls requesting friendship randomly and then you go to their page and everything makes sense: she has a set for review.
Another thing that bothers me is whenever I see a hopeful with no profile picture or info. I mean... really? You want to be a model and be part of a community that you don't even want to tell about yourself or let people know what you like and dislike, what kind of person you are, etc...?
All in all I like it for the variety we get to see in the site again. Some things can be improved, they always can. And I loved the idea TheFuckOffKid gave!
SEP 10, 2008 06:54 PM
Shalome said:
I feel like the poor quality (whether it be the photography, the Photoshopping, or the girl herself) of many of the MR sets waters down the SG brand.
MR also contributes to sets that appeal to the broadest possible audience or the lowest common denominator (where you get awesome comments like "OMG HUGE TITS, LOVED IT!" or "THANKS FOR SHOWING SO MUCH VAG!!!!! HOPE U GO PINK SOON SO I CAN SEE MORE OF UR PINK LOL"
Hopefuls can post on Myspace "Check out my Suicidegirls set" when they've only got a set in MR, but since their sets appear to be official on SG (and are next to known SGs' MR sets), it lowers the public perception of what SG is.
The "getting to know a girl's personality, not just her pictures" element that made SG special has been blown away by the new necessity of spamming for comment count.
The old "SG is not a popularity contest" line is no longer true. Forcing the girls (Suicidegirls and Hopefuls alike) to compete for attention leads to some really awful behavior, and it's just sad. It's not fun, it's not interesting, and it sucks to watch people you used to like interacting with have to push their personality aside and forget about having fun on SG in order to focus on pushing their own sets.
Yeah, the fast track for sets that deserve it is nice, but why can't that happen behind the scenes anyway? If a set is so amazing that it deserves to be on the front page tomorrow, put it on the front page tomorrow! Missy and Sean should have final say as to what goes up when.. not the girls themselves, not the photographers, not the members.
I'm in the camp that cares more about quality and less about quantity or some weird concept of "fairness" (as in "it's not faaaaaair I haven't had a set go up in a year!" or "it's not faaaaaaaaaaair I have put like 10 sets in member review and I'm still a Hopeful"). I'm afraid I might be in the minority, though.
Pip said:
Other websites use member review, I'll use I can has cheezburger as my example. When I go to their vote page I see all sorts of funny pictures. I also see many that are not at all funny. But what happens is that when the "good" ones get promoted to the front page it means less because I've already seen it. And I get annoyed because one that I thought was funny did not get promoted.
Giving editorial control to the group makes the choices mean less and makes it a popularity contest. What fun is it having your set go up when everyone's already seen it?
I also don't like reading journals of SG's I am friends with and friendly with and having them as me to vote on their sets. I'm not opposed to self-promotion, but I don't like that SG's I know and like and respect are reverted back to being hopefuls. It makes being an SG have less impact and less meaning. It transforms being an SG into being the popular hopeful.
When SG started it was a group of people that were never popular in HS, or at least that was the "stereotype" and we embraced it. Member review goes in the opposite direction.
I'm glad it was given enough time to show both it's merits and it's handicaps. But I am not a fan of it, and how it has changed the site. I understand it may be here to stay and that's ok. It's not my site. The benefits are obvious one of the biggest answers the question, "How do you handle sorting through all the submitted sets?!?!?"
I vote scrap it and start over. Or if it has to stay the girls need to send in the whole set but only 5 pictures from the set go up for review. Tease us a bit, give us something to look forward to. Pin-up is about teasing, it gives the goods, but it teases as well. That's what makes it fun, and is a big part of what separates it from porn.
Both very well explained, and I agree totally.
SEP 10, 2008 07:41 PM
Morgan said:
Shalome said:
I wish personality and presence would be factored more heavily into the set selection process again. Yep, it would mean fewer sets from some girls and fewer SGs chosen out of the Hopefuls, more sets from some girls and less from others, but it would raise the caliber of the site overall.
Agreed. When I first started modeling here, personality counted. I think it still should.
I totally agree with that. When I first applied as a hopeful they make you fill out this blurb on why you want to be an SG, at the time I thought that this blurb was reviewed by someone and it was used in determining whether you become a hopeful or not. but i read in the SG Hopefuls group that it doesnt matter
which kinda makes me sad because i do believe that part of being an SG is the personality
but the only thing i can say that i like about MR is that it gives hopefuls and SG's the chance to put a set in that doesn't meet the trend report
the one thing i don't like is that i still see sub par sets going up. yes they may meet the 40 pic requirement and show boob and bum, but still the photography, lighting, location, etc is crappy (which is exactly why i havent shot a set in damn near 9 months)
the one thing i dont get is how member review works? is it the comments? is it the set itself? does staff still pick? many people say its a popularity contest, and this may be true, but i, and many others are still confused as to how the sets are picked from MR to go live
SEP 10, 2008 08:27 PM
I believe a real SG should be based on lots of things.. Do you post? How active are you? Do you socialize with other members/friends and take pride in being in the SG community or are they just girl collectors? How much do you blog? Yadi yadi yada... I've seen enough girls do what I call the double blog... "hey my set is in MR check it out.. !" and then followed by "hey thanks for making my set live!" and after the set goes up they take their 500$ and fuck off.
I don't think that girls that are incredibly inactive deserve to go up. What makes them an SG? That they have tats and heavy make up, stretchers and some crazy hair? I know of one or two SG's that have no tats or stereo type "SG" traits that are more an SG at heart than than any of these painted flaky ladies out there going for a money grab. (I have tats BTW)
Alt doesn't = tattoos every time.
I think that there should be MR as well as staff review. Members tend to vote on the set itself (not to say every member does) but staff should hold some more responsibility and discretion to screen girls that are taking advantage of SG to ride on the name. Sets should be based on more than just looks and a good photographer. I would rather look at an ok shot set with an SG who is super awesome and active than some hot chick who got a really good photographer but is completely inactive and just wants to use SG's name for her advantage. Totally bullshit IMHO.
SEP 10, 2008 08:32 PM
Agy said:
I believe a real SG should be based on lots of things.. Do you post? How active are you? Do you socialize with other members/friends and take pride in being in the SG community or are they just girl collectors? How much do you blog? Yadi yadi yada... I've seen enough girls do what I call the double blog... "hey my set is in MR check it out.. !" and then followed by "hey thanks for making my set live!" and after the set goes up they take their 500$ and fuck off.
I don't think that girls that are incredibly inactive deserve to go up. What makes them an SG? That they have tats and heavy make up, stretchers and some crazy hair? I know of one or two SG's that have no tats or stereo type "SG" traits that are more an SG at heart than than any of these painted flaky ladies out there going for a money grab. (I have tats BTW) Alt doesn't = tattoos every time.
I think that there should be MR as well as staff review. Members tend to vote on the set itself (not to say every member does) but staff should hold some responsibility and discretion to screen girls that are taking advantage of SG to ride on the name. Sets should be based on more than just looks and a good photographer. I would rather look at an ok shot set with an SG who is super awesome and active than some hot chick who got a really good photographer but is completely inactive and just wants to use SG's name for her advantage. Totally bullshit IMHO.
I disagree. some girls for numerous reasons can't be very active on the site. Mary isn't active on the site at all and didn't even have a blog for years. yet..I don't think SG would be the same without her. I don't think girls should be penalized just because they don't have the time or resources to be on the internet frequently. The quality of the sets is what should matter, not how many blogs a girl writes per month.

















Mocha
New Orleans, LA
April 2006
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