For the past few months we have been putting up sets on the front page that first appeared in the member review section of the website based on your feedback. I know there are lots of pros and cons to this way of selecting the sets we promote on the front page, but I was wondering what you all thought about one aspect of the member review process.
Does this new system get it right? Do your favorite photos usually end up on the front page? Or do you feel like the old way, where the staff selected the photos generally put more of what you were looking for on the front page?
People are going to bitch either way, imo. As well as like it better one over the other.
Personally, there have been a few sets lately that have not been to my taste at all, but there were sets picked by staff that were the same way for me. 6 of one, half a dozen of the other. Meh.
What I'm missing about the process is what happens between lots of good comments and a live set. Staff still chooses the sets... it actually seems like just an excuse to reject a set the first time around with less consideration than before, because, hey, it will eventually go up through member review.
I do like the way member review lets girls forget about the old trend reports and do what pleases them artistically.
I don't like the way member review still doesn't seem to screen for quality. There is a lot more noise than signal in there.
I think a lot of great sets slip through Member Review and never get bought. BUT.. I also think sets get accepted through Member Review that shouldn't have.
Seeing a set on the front page that was already on the front page of MR is kind of redundant. Like we see a set and have access to it for X amount of time then it hits the front page as if we've never seen it before. How are we going to get excited over something we've already seen.
Personally. I'm a fan of Staff Review. Call me old school but I enjoyed the roll of the dice on sets much, much better.
To answer the question of does MR get it right? I say no. Not at all.
I can honestly say, I looked at sets a lot more when staff picked them. Now I feel it's like I have to weed through a ton of bad stuff just to see the good, so my solution to that is, I don't look as much.
_Pie_ said:
People are going to bitch either way, imo. As well as like it better one over the other.
Personally, there have been a few sets lately that have not been to my taste at all, but there were sets picked by staff that were the same way for me. 6 of one, half a dozen of the other. Meh.
I agree. It can be hit or miss no matter who chooses the sets imo.
Most of the sets I've seen go live from MR, I agree with and am 100% for. I think a few should be there that aren't, but like _Pie_ said. Rare is total agreement. But something's definitely working right!
personally, i'm not a huge fan. it seems that the really creative and artistic sets are lost in the mix, while sets that tend towards the explicit side ("moar spread teh legz plz") seem to get the lion's share of attention, and thus get chosen for the front page. it's not that i am against explicit sets, i would just like to think that concept and theme are just as important as seeing a young woman's unmentionables.
I think you're asking about the quality of the sets -- has it changed much?
I think Member Review has probably expanded the "range" of sets on offer, which I think is a good thing. A lot of people got excited by the idea of "bringing back darker sets", and maybe that's happened a bit. (Maybe it could still happen more. As mentioned above, MR has somewhat devolved into a spread-teh-leg popularity contest, where it should be a quality/creativity contest, ideally.)
The other -- really big -- effect I think MR has had, is that it's provided an alternative method of existing SGs to get sets up. Many of them are now by-passing the "staff pick" process altogether and going straight for MR.
In particular, it's created a fast-track process for popular SGs to get sets up quickly, avoiding the whole long-set-queue issue.
Personally, I think that benefits popular girls but kind of defeats the purpose of the MR system. I'd like to see the MR process being of real benefit to high quality Hopefuls, but currently it seems to be best serving girls with lots of sets already up.
All I know is that I looked at sets a whole lot less before member review. for whatever reason i just generally did not dig the sets staff alone usually picked. there is much more diversity now imo.
edited to add- i still think there should be an approximate 3 month wait time in between sets for girls with exceptions like multi sets, holiday sets, or contest submissions. i know sg isn't fair and blah blah but as a viewer seeing some of the same girls every 3 or 4 weeks- no matter how lovely they are- is starting to get a little repetitive.
One thing that definitely sets MR apart from the way it used to be is that there's not the "surprise factor" all that much anymore. By the time a set hits the front page, yeah it's nice that the set's recognized in that way, but most of the time it's already been available on the site for weeks.
There's not so much with the, "OMG! NEW [insert SG name] SET!" as there used to be.
i like a lot of the sets that have been going up. and the relative freedom we now have with set themes
i do agree that it seems to be favoring popular girls and staff faves a lot, which doesnt sit well with me, but i do generally enjoy their sets.
i also dont like that horrendously long wait that hopeful sets have before they see the member review page. its almost two months now. it took a lot less time to get a yes or no from staff. it also kinda defeats the point ot the contests that you are having. if i did a sept contest set now, it would go up oct30 ( that was the last date a saw someone going up as) i know you give the contests in advance, but there is still no guarantee that your hard work will be considered for the contest.
I think you're asking about the quality of the sets -- has it changed much?
I think Member Review has probably expanded the "range" of sets on offer, which I think is a good thing. A lot of people got excited by the idea of "bringing back darker sets", and maybe that's happened a bit. (Maybe it could still happen more. As mentioned above, MR has somewhat devolved into a spread-teh-leg popularity contest, where it should be a quality/creativity contest, ideally.)
The other -- really big -- effect I think MR has had, is that it's provided an alternative method of existing SGs to get sets up. Many of them are now by-passing the "staff pick" process altogether and going straight for MR.
In particular, it's created a fast-track process for popular SGs to get sets up quickly, avoiding the whole long-set-queue issue.
Personally, I think that benefits popular girls but kind of defeats the purpose of the MR system. I'd like to see the MR process being of real benefit to high quality Hopefuls, but currently it seems to be best serving girls with lots of sets already up.
sets that tend towards the moar spread teh legz plz get attention
concept and theme are just as important as seeing a young woman's unmentionables.
just my opinion
words from quote left to show my strong agreement with atomicant's statements.
"execution" with concept and theme.
also, i miss the suprize.
but i'm also glad to have been able to help some sets from some of my favorite girls, like Nixon & Taye with the set mermaid fantasy, get sets up on the front page & get paid for their work.
I think you're asking about the quality of the sets -- has it changed much?
I think Member Review has probably expanded the "range" of sets on offer, which I think is a good thing. A lot of people got excited by the idea of "bringing back darker sets", and maybe that's happened a bit. (Maybe it could still happen more. As mentioned above, MR has somewhat devolved into a spread-teh-leg popularity contest, where it should be a quality/creativity contest, ideally.)
The other -- really big -- effect I think MR has had, is that it's provided an alternative method of existing SGs to get sets up. Many of them are now by-passing the "staff pick" process altogether and going straight for MR.
In particular, it's created a fast-track process for popular SGs to get sets up quickly, avoiding the whole long-set-queue issue.
Personally, I think that benefits popular girls but kind of defeats the purpose of the MR system. I'd like to see the MR process being of real benefit to high quality Hopefuls, but currently it seems to be best serving girls with lots of sets already up.
I feel like once screening of sets BEFORE they go into MR gets started things will be better in MR. I like having a say. But I agree with Dot there should be a minimum of 3 months wait on sets that did not win a contest or are themed for that month. Suprise would be nice. But I do like MR.
In general, I think the member review process is a good thing. It puts control of the site in the hands of the people that use it. Has it improved my experience on the site? Not really. I'm seeing roughly the same percentage of sets I enjoy as I did prior to member review.
Ladie said:
I think a lot of great sets slip through Member Review and never get bought.
I strongly agree with this. There are some really bad sets that get a lot of attention, and some really gorgeous sets that barely get any. It's so weird.
I'm pretty sure the number of sets I really like via either method is approximately equal.
As an American, brainwashed into loving democracy, I do like the "we the people" aspect of member review.
On the other hand, staff review sets are fun to look through because I haven't seen the whole set before.
Any kind of staff review is going to tend towards the lowest common denominator, I think, by nature of the committee process.
Yes, there is a lot of crap in member review. However, I haven't really noticed a significant lack of quality in (accepted) member review sets. That's probably because very few people enjoy looking at low quality images. Especially not when they're paying for them.
Anyway, democracy vs. surprise, I guess. Not really sure what the best way to reconcile those two virtues is. I think I value the larger variety afforded by member review, as there was a short period before it really got going when all the new sets were seeming kind of same-y.
I don't mind it at all, and I think it's a great idea, although I do think MR is clogged up with too many sets that are far from the high quality that SG expects.
I would still like to see those 'minimum requirments' come in for sets, as it appears there isn't any at the moment.
I really do think they are taking the focus away from those sets that are being missed, and deserve to go up.
I think that member review is absolutely getting it right (except in certain cases) I prefer this system.
BUT...I've notice (as a photographer) that sets do not get picked up of girls that are not active on the site. I understand the reasoning, but if the set does well in MR why not put it on the front page?
That is the only thing I hate about the new system.
Sean
STAFF
Los Angeles, CA
SEP 09, 2008 06:54 PM