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wolf73

wolf73

Montreal, QC
February 2004

MAY 29, 2008 06:43 PM

Here's a suggestion do SG staff:

I'm sure many people here are amateur or even pro photograph. Those of us would certainly appreciate to have access to EXIF data to know what kind of camera and settings where used on some of the best pictures.

Actually it would be super cool if the SG photographs could have a forum to talk about the technicallities of their set.

Anybody else would love to have more info about the technical photographic side of SG ?


(My guess is most sets are shot by relatively knowledgeable amateurs but very little pros... For exemple I don't see a lot of amazing shallow depth of field and hight quality bokeh).

tmronin

tmronin

Brooklyn, NY
February 2004

MAY 29, 2008 07:38 PM

err...i have enough issues keeping my set images under 200k with the EXIF data stripped out...LOL! if you see a shot you like in one of my sets - PM me, i'll give you the EXIF and for the record, i am a professional photographer.

haven't seen amazing shallow depth of field or great bokeh?!? have you never seen one of cherry's sets? Lavonne has a great grasp of DoF as well. check out sets from the newest member of the staff photogs - Vermelho, he has been turning in some amazing images.

and we do have a group where we talk about photography - it's the Photography Group - stop by, we love new people.

smile

Rigel

Rigel

ASSPARTY

California, USA

MAY 29, 2008 08:28 PM

you could also try the SG Photographer Hopefuls group, which is specifically about shooting for SG. many staff photographers are in there and im sure would tell you lots about the technical side of things smile

Cherry

Cherry

SUICIDEGIRL

British Columbia, Canada

MAY 29, 2008 11:15 PM

Apart from the things already said by tmronin and Rigel, EXIF data is always stripped from web-optimised images. I always get asked why I take the EXIF data out of my sets and that's just the nature of how it works. Unless you (and everyone else) wanted to wait for full quality JPGs to download the EXIF data will never be present. Not to mention not all sets are digital to start with wink

For the record there are quite a few pros working for SG. Check the photographers out here: http://suicidegirls.com/about/ many of them have their websites and flickr accounts linked in their profiles.

If you like shallow DoF check out Sean, Zoetica, Vermelho and Missy's latest works, and of course Lavonne as tmronin mentioned.

Perdita

Perdita

SUICIDEGIRL

I'm lost

MAY 30, 2008 03:05 PM

wolf73 said:
Actually it would be super cool if the SG photographs could have a forum to talk about the technicallities of their set.

Anybody else would love to have more info about the technical photographic side of SG ?


(My guess is most sets are shot by relatively knowledgeable amateurs but very little pros... For exemple I don't see a lot of amazing shallow depth of field and hight quality bokeh).



1. There's a SG Photographers group . . . and you're not invited. Official photogs only, but there's always the hopefuls group.
2. Many of the photographers are also members of the photography group, and there are a number of professional, non-staff photographers in there as well that do amazing work.
3.On the other hand, I'm not sure how quickly the staff photographers would respond to technical questions, since many of them are *gasp* professional photographers and do this for a living so are kind of busy. Maybe you didn't intend it that way but your final comment is patronizing and misinformed, oh and kind of snobby.

Rosaleigh

Rosaleigh

SUICIDEGIRL

Illinois, USA

MAY 30, 2008 07:20 PM

Perdita said:

Maybe you didn't intend it that way but your final comment is patronizing and misinformed, oh and kind of snobby.



...and yours isn't? whatever

I think it'd be a pretty cool idea, but yes, I understand it's a pain in the ass to share/whatever the EXIF data. But I think it was a cool suggestion!

I think the Photography group is a great place to ask questions and learn new things. spend some time over there. smile

helica

helica

I'm lost
November 2007

JUN 01, 2008 02:05 PM

Perdita said:

wolf73 said:
Actually it would be super cool if the SG photographs could have a forum to talk about the technicallities of their set.

Anybody else would love to have more info about the technical photographic side of SG ?


(My guess is most sets are shot by relatively knowledgeable amateurs but very little pros... For exemple I don't see a lot of amazing shallow depth of field and hight quality bokeh).



1. There's a SG Photographers group . . . and you're not invited. Official photogs only, but there's always the hopefuls group.
2. Many of the photographers are also members of the photography group, and there are a number of professional, non-staff photographers in there as well that do amazing work.
3.On the other hand, I'm not sure how quickly the staff photographers would respond to technical questions, since many of them are *gasp* professional photographers and do this for a living so are kind of busy. Maybe you didn't intend it that way but your final comment is patronizing and misinformed, oh and kind of snobby.



wow. That was harsh. Chill out. There's no need to be so sarcastic.

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

JUN 01, 2008 02:16 PM

Perdita said:

wolf73 said:
Actually it would be super cool if the SG photographs could have a forum to talk about the technicallities of their set.

Anybody else would love to have more info about the technical photographic side of SG ?


(My guess is most sets are shot by relatively knowledgeable amateurs but very little pros... For exemple I don't see a lot of amazing shallow depth of field and hight quality bokeh).



1. There's a SG Photographers group . . . and you're not invited. Official photogs only, but there's always the hopefuls group.
2. Many of the photographers are also members of the photography group, and there are a number of professional, non-staff photographers in there as well that do amazing work.
3.On the other hand, I'm not sure how quickly the staff photographers would respond to technical questions, since many of them are *gasp* professional photographers and do this for a living so are kind of busy. Maybe you didn't intend it that way but your final comment is patronizing and misinformed, oh and kind of snobby.


This post is pretty funny considering that two of the staff photographers already responded to the guys question and took no offense to it.

Lavonne

Lavonne

SUICIDEGIRL

Alberta, Canada

JUN 01, 2008 05:24 PM

I'm not a pro. I'm just a housewife who does photography as a hobby in exchange for money.

(sarcasm)

Yeah, I don't really like posting my EXIF anyways - I'm not sure why - so I'm not really a fan of the idea. It's not that hard to learn to guess it though, with a pretty good amount of accuracy. Just takes some practice and some basic knowledge of lenses/exposures.

thirtyseven

thirtyseven

New York, NY
OLD SKOOL

JUN 01, 2008 06:59 PM

Perdita said:

wolf73 said:
Actually it would be super cool if the SG photographs could have a forum to talk about the technicallities of their set.

Anybody else would love to have more info about the technical photographic side of SG ?


(My guess is most sets are shot by relatively knowledgeable amateurs but very little pros... For exemple I don't see a lot of amazing shallow depth of field and hight quality bokeh).



1. There's a SG Photographers group . . . and you're not invited. Official photogs only, but there's always the hopefuls group.
2. Many of the photographers are also members of the photography group, and there are a number of professional, non-staff photographers in there as well that do amazing work.
3.On the other hand, I'm not sure how quickly the staff photographers would respond to technical questions, since many of them are *gasp* professional photographers and do this for a living so are kind of busy. Maybe you didn't intend it that way but your final comment is patronizing and misinformed, oh and kind of snobby.



You are all over with the rudeness lately.

roguemind

roguemind

Groton, CT
October 2006

JUN 02, 2008 09:32 AM

Lavonne said:
I'm not a pro. I'm just a housewife who does photography as a hobby in exchange for money.

(sarcasm)

Yeah, I don't really like posting my EXIF anyways - I'm not sure why - so I'm not really a fan of the idea. It's not that hard to learn to guess it though, with a pretty good amount of accuracy. Just takes some practice and some basic knowledge of lenses/exposures.



She just said. Shut up I am better than you. lol.

Cherry

Cherry

SUICIDEGIRL

British Columbia, Canada

JUN 02, 2008 11:47 AM

Why don't we turn this into a thread where SG photographers can share some of their info if they feel like it?

What I primarily shoot with:

Digital:

Canon 20D
(yes, it's 3.5 years old. it's been a work horse having shot over 200 SG sets not to mention 10,000s of other photos for other projects)
Lenses: 28mm f/1.8, 20mm f/1.8 50mm f/1.8 and very occasionally 14mm f/2.8
ISO: I like to try and shoot between 100-400ISO if I can but have been known to shoot at both 800 and 1600ISO in the past

Film:

Contax G2 rangefinder (35mm)
(similar to Leica rangefinders)
Lenses: Voigtländer 40mm f/2, 90mm f/2.8
Film: Usually Kodak Portra either NC (neutral colour) or VC (vivid colour) depending on the saturation/colours I want. I want to try some Fuji film soon.
ISO: Usually 400ISO but occassionally 160 or 800ISO
Scanner: Epson 4990

Software:
Adobe Lightroom and then Photoshop.


Lighting:

These days I mostly like to work with either continuous cool lighting or available lighting. As I mostly shoot in film these days it's best for me to shoot with daylight balanced lights, but sometimes I mix up colour temperatures for various effects.

I also shoot with strobes (usually a 2-3 light setup), although that is more in the past for me now. These days I'm all about ambient light.

General Technique:

No matter my lighting and medium I always try to keep control of my DoF by shooting anywhere between f/1.8-f/6 or so. I like to mix it up within a complete set, rarely keeping to extreme shallow DoF for the whole set because I think it's important to take in the surroundings and to have some photos with a fair amount of the model in focus. But, anyone that knows my sets knows I love my shallow DoF, but I try hard to control it and make sure it's necessary for the shot rather than just a default setting.

I usually shoot in manual mode when I have control of the lighting but occasionally will shoot in aperture priority.



I know not all photographers may be comfortable with sharing this level of information, but it would be nice for this thread to actually become useful smile

Valium

Valium

SUICIDEGIRL

France

JUN 02, 2008 11:50 AM

hmmm shallow DoF ♥

Cherry, I love you. And i want to buy a new lense too (shooting with a 50mm 1.8 is cool but it was hard with Sinnah's set because i didn't have enough place sometimes ^^)

Cherry

Cherry

SUICIDEGIRL

British Columbia, Canada

JUN 02, 2008 12:03 PM

Cherry said:

Contax G2 rangefinder (35mm)
Lenses: Voigtländer 40mm f/2, 90mm f/2.8



Ooops. I meant Zeiss lenses and it's a 45mm not 40mm, I'm going mad. They're much better than Voigtländer, so no one rushes out to buy Voigtländers and gets disappointed wink

Rosaleigh

Rosaleigh

SUICIDEGIRL

Illinois, USA

JUN 02, 2008 12:39 PM

Have you shot all of your film sets with the Contax? Do you plan on using any of your other cameras?
I'm having a really hard time getting good results with lighting, unless I'm using natural light. I haven't quite figured out yet that lighting doesn't work quite the same with film as it does with digital. blackeyed
Ooooh, and the Potra 160NC is quickly becoming one of my favorite films. the box I have is a few years expired, but is still doing a great job.

tmronin

tmronin

Brooklyn, NY
February 2004

JUN 02, 2008 12:46 PM

well, i'm gonna take my cue from cherry and follow her lead:

What I primarily shoot with:

Digital:
was a Canon 1Dmk2n, now Canon 1Dmk3
i shoot a lot of events and some sports (275k shots in just under 2 years), so i use a body that will last and last and last. i also like the 1.3 crop which is the best of both worlds (between the 1.6 crop sensor and full frame that canon offers)
Lenses: 15/2.8 fisheye, 17-40/4, 24-70/2.8 (most used lens), 70-200/2.8IS, 35/2, 85/1.8
ISO: prefer 100-200iso and iso400 has a special place in my heart cuz it has a nice feel to it but i will use any iso that will allow me to get the shot - my sets include everything from iso50 to iso12800 (iso3200 pushed 2 stops)

Film:
i'll admit it - very little, but i am working on shooting more:
- Mamiya RB67 Pro with a 180mm portrait lens - both a 120 back and a polaroid back.
- my trusty but under-used Holga

Software:
(my workflow is bit more complicated than most due to the amount of event photography i do)
- photo mechanic to sort, preview, tag and proof shots for approval as well as generate web images for client viewing.
- Canon Digital Photo Professional for pulling jpgs/tifs from RAW files. it's not the coolest one or the best one - but i have yet to find one that does skin tones as well as the native application for my camera.
- Photoshop for final editing and image prep for delivery


Lighting:

well, i am about as different from Cherry as humanly possible when it comes to lighting. i LOVE artifical lighting and ways to use it with current ambient light in my images. i have a Profoto studio rig and more than one battery operated location lighting packages (eep...3 to be exact!) as well as a ring flash that gets used more than i thought it would. i put myself thru college working production in professional theater, so lighting is my holy grail.

that being said, i enjoy shooting natural light sets (sorta...it's a bit frustrating and i'm working on getting better at it - there are actually 5 natural light sets i have shot on SG) but i tend to reach for strobes more often than not.

General Technique:

i leave masterful control of DoF to people who are very good at it...i'll work the selective focus in a set to help the narrative along. (i tend to think of my sets as mini movies with a beginning, end and flow thoughout). i am all over the place with my f-stop because of mixing strobes with existing lighting when i can and when i can control ALL the lighting - iso100, f8-f13 @ 1/250 - sharp, crisp and BRIGHT! you can't get bright unless you saturate the colors with light. i also tend to avoid a lot of wide angle shots (unless i am shooting in the world's smallest space or for effect - then anything goes)...i prefer to rock the pretty face and portrait shots with mini-tele focal lengths (85mm+) which avoids facial distortion and whacks out the background hella-nicely.

well, that's a view into why i shoot like i do...and as we like to say here at teamrockstar - "nothing succeeds like excess." if y'all can't tell by now, i tend to err to the side of "rockstar!"

<insert devil hand here>

Cherry

Cherry

SUICIDEGIRL

British Columbia, Canada

JUN 02, 2008 01:24 PM

I tried to stick to the equipment and process I use for SuicideGirls sets as that's what the OP asked about, but nice to read other stuff too!

When I say ambient lighting I don't necessarily mean I just go with what's there (i.e. natural light) and leave it at that. I like to use lamps and household lighting you'd find in a "normal" setting and get my control through that smile

Rosaleigh said:
Have you shot all of your film sets with the Contax? Do you plan on using any of your other cameras?
I'm having a really hard time getting good results with lighting, unless I'm using natural light. I haven't quite figured out yet that lighting doesn't work quite the same with film as it does with digital. blackeyed
Ooooh, and the Potra 160NC is quickly becoming one of my favorite films. the box I have is a few years expired, but is still doing a great job.



I probably won't use any more of my film cameras for SG work because they are mostly hobby/antique cameras and not good enough for professional work or they are medium format pro cameras and shooting a whole set on MF would be a pain in the arse and not be much different at web-resolution. The Contax G2 has some of the best lenses in the world, so there's really no reason for me to use anything else film-wise.

Light isn't that much different in film to digital. The only real difference is that there is much more exposure latitude so that means you have more room to not be accurate with the exposure and the shadows will be more open than in digital. Technically your light should behave exactly the same, if it's not then there's something going wrong with your exposures. smile

tmronin

tmronin

Brooklyn, NY
February 2004

JUN 02, 2008 01:35 PM

Cherry said:
I tried to stick to the equipment and process I use for SuicideGirls sets as that's what the OP asked about, but nice to read other stuff too!



i don't change my equipment,style, technique (what little i have) or workflow between shooting sets or shooting non-sg stuff...it's all the same to me

tongue

(other than film - but i shoot so little of that, it doesn't really apply).


Rush

Rush

Brooklyn, NY
June 2005

JUN 02, 2008 01:36 PM

Wow! Great information for those who have been shy about getting into photography... just wanted to share my appreciation with Steve and Cherry for all the tips (on top of Cherry's excellent Photoshop tuts elsewhere on the site).

Awesome, guys.

Rosaleigh

Rosaleigh

SUICIDEGIRL

Illinois, USA

JUN 02, 2008 03:27 PM

Cherry said:

Light isn't that much different in film to digital. The only real difference is that there is much more exposure latitude so that means you have more room to not be accurate with the exposure and the shadows will be more open than in digital. Technically your light should behave exactly the same, if it's not then there's something going wrong with your exposures. smile



...or I'm just a tard and probably not doing it right. blush hahaha.

Hunkpapa

Hunkpapa

United Kingdom
June 2004

JUN 02, 2008 03:58 PM

Rush said:
Wow! Great information for those who have been shy about getting into photography... just wanted to share my appreciation with Steve and Cherry for all the tips (on top of Cherry's excellent Photoshop tuts elsewhere on the site).

Awesome, guys.



I'll add my own appreciation to that. Really really interesting.

Taye

Taye

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

JUN 02, 2008 07:33 PM

I don't have a lot of time right now to go into what I shoot with and how but I just wanted to add that just because not all sets are shot with shallow DoF or Bokeh doesn't mean that a person is not a professional photographer. I am a fashion photographer so while I really appreciate other people's techniques I don't tend to shoot a lot of shallow DoF stuff. I do it on occasion and like the results when I do but SG is the only place I really do that.

If you saw my professional portfolio you would see a lot of stuff shot at f11 and higher because that's how a lot of people shoot fashion commercially. This doesn't make me less of a professional photographer.

Rosaleigh

Rosaleigh

SUICIDEGIRL

Illinois, USA

JUN 03, 2008 11:06 PM

Taye said:
I don't have a lot of time right now to go into what I shoot with and how but I just wanted to add that just because not all sets are shot with shallow DoF or Bokeh doesn't mean that a person is not a professional photographer. I am a fashion photographer so while I really appreciate other people's techniques I don't tend to shoot a lot of shallow DoF stuff. I do it on occasion and like the results when I do but SG is the only place I really do that.

If you saw my professional portfolio you would see a lot of stuff shot at f11 and higher because that's how a lot of people shoot fashion commercially. This doesn't make me less of a professional photographer.




it's true--and she kicks ass at what she does!!

blush kiss

Neyrissa

Neyrissa

SUICIDEGIRL

United Kingdom

JUN 04, 2008 12:31 AM

Lavonne said:
I'm not a pro. I'm just a housewife who does photography as a hobby in exchange for money.
(sarcasm)



And here's me thinking you did it just to please men...wink I mean, that's all that women can do, right? And SG photographers. *crosseyed*

wolf73

wolf73

Montreal, QC
February 2004

JUN 04, 2008 07:23 PM

Very interesting infos after all... thanks to the pros!

Also interesting to see how friendly are those who actually share some valuable info and have a whole portfolio proving their worth. Thanks guys, you're the real thing.


I'm surprised to read Cheri is shooting with such wide angles. Her cropped sensor 20D reduces the angle but still she must be shooting from pretty close. For sure her results are excellent so there's more than one way to shoot a scene and not only one good one. You never thought of getting something longer?

I expected more focal length like those used my Tmronin. The 85mm f1.8 must be amazing for low light, especially with such an awesome full frame camera. I'm sure it finds its way into those rare ambient light sets.

Taye, I'm really not up to date in my SG set viewing. I just saw you did one with Quine, one of my favourites and it is exquisite (and does include good control of DOF ;-) ). You're also right shallow DOF doesn't mean pro. After all anybody with a good camera can just keep shooting at maximum possible aperture. Control is the word. Within a set, variation of apertures gives some sense of dimension and spatial positioning.

Lavonne, I jut saw your Octopus set. Amazing lighting and textures. Did you use some film to get this grain or is it just clever post-processing ?


PS.: I *am* a patronizing snob but no, I don't intend to shoot any SG set. I'm just a relatively knowledgeable amateur curious to learn about a speciality that is not my own and I just like talking about the technical side of photography. Actually right now I'm concidering buying a macro lens to shoot insects so unless girls are getting very tiny, I'll pass ;-).

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