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Dia

Dia

SUICIDEGIRL

Monaco

JUL 31, 2002 07:56 PM

Okay, this is a general question related to my last shoot, but really I was curious in general. What is this communities feeling towards SG's shooting penetration shots? Not CUM shots. I understand we don't want cum shots. But what about masturbation shots? Penetration/non-penetration/in general...?

sixsixty

sixsixty

Oakland, CA
OLD SKOOL

JUL 31, 2002 08:14 PM

i think anything shot artistically and in good taste is ok. this for me includes solo penetration (and a number of other things, i won't mention as to incur the wrath of flames).

i think pretty much anything can be done in a way where it is creative and beautiful. also on the same note i think anything can be done in a way where it is just wrong.

on the cumshot note..i work with cumshots all day. i think they are great. i do see how most people will not like them, or think they are dirty. because, most of the time they are portrayed in a disrespectful or dirty way. most porn is pretty disgusting. but, i still believe porn can be shown in a very erotic and tasteful manner. including cum. cum is very natural, and is very much a part of sexuality*.

*maybe not too much in the lesbian community. but, pretty much any sex involving men.

[Edited on Jul 31, 2002 by sixsixty]

Cash

Cash

USA
OLD SKOOL

JUL 31, 2002 08:19 PM

well, whatever you did, you did it right....that sex was exceptionally sexy.

I say........do what you do, Dia

googused

googused

Portland, OR
OLD SKOOL

JUL 31, 2002 08:33 PM

Hell, I'm up for anything! If you don't like it, don't look. That's why there are thumbnails. Anything short of kids or animal penises or a big mouthfull of poop, I'm perfectly OK with.

Dia with her finger in her coochie? Amen!

piningshaft

piningshaft

San Francisco, CA
OLD SKOOL

JUL 31, 2002 08:41 PM

what sixsixty said. it's not about what you show or don't show, it's all about motivation and attitude.

everything you do should be to some degree an expression of who you are. that's what makes it interesting. if you're compromising what you actually want in order to please someone else then it's not interesting.

if you're doing something because you authentically want to do it then it is always ok in my book, doesn't matter what it is.

kant said about moral behavior: "always treat people as an end in themselves and not as a means to an end". i think the same thing is true about artistic self expression.

to me the great beauty of this site is that the customer has absolutely no control over the pictures, it's all about what the girls want. that's why i'm here. if you wanted to show vibrator penetration and couldn't then i would be extremely disappointed.



[Edited on Jul 31, 2002 by piningshaft]

sixsixty

sixsixty

Oakland, CA
OLD SKOOL

JUL 31, 2002 08:47 PM

googuse said:
Hell, I'm up for anything! If you don't like it, don't look. That's why there are thumbnails. Anything short of kids or animal penises or a big mouthfull of poop, I'm perfectly OK with.



yes agreed. there are horrible things that just shouldn't be. poop, animal dirtyness, children, real death, etc.

Namaiki

namaiki

I'm lost
OLD SKOOL

JUL 31, 2002 08:55 PM

No, you can only go so far with penetration, afterall, the vagina is only so long and the cervical opening is tiny. Hehehe!

*cough* But seriously, we're all adults here. Do what you like as long as it doesnt hurt anyone, and if you dont like that sort of thing, dont look at it. Pretty simple huh.

Maybe O and Spooky should set up a poll for members- 50% +1 and penetration is cool, any less and its not. Wow, look at that, a semblance of democracy!

BatAttaK

BatAttaK

Tacoma, WA
OLD SKOOL

JUL 31, 2002 09:04 PM

I think the original philosophy should apply...whatever the girls are comfortable with is ok. If Dia is cool with it, and it is quite obvious that she is, then that should end the debate right there.
This isn't a democracy...it is all about the girls and what they want. If we all voted we wanted 100% gynecological spread shots do you really think it would happen? Nope.
This is but a benevolent and loving dictatorship. We're just along for the ride.


piningshaft

piningshaft

San Francisco, CA
OLD SKOOL

JUL 31, 2002 09:18 PM

Namaiki said:
Maybe O and Spooky should set up a poll for members- 50% +1 and penetration is cool, any less and its not. Wow, look at that, a semblance of democracy!



no no no! fuck the members! that's the whole point.

it's gotta be all about the girls.

googused

googused

Portland, OR
OLD SKOOL

JUL 31, 2002 09:55 PM

I'm sure there are more than a few girls here that would open wide, heck maybe even do a full on sex show. However there are just as many who don't even want us to see their holy hole - or even the outside of it, and again as many who like to give a little peek here and there. And I would bet the percentages on who would like to look at same situaion are pretty similar.

I don't think there should be ANY censorship of what goes up, beyond what the girl in the shoot and Missy (and Spooky - to whatever extent he participates in "artistic decisions") decide should go. We're all adults (notice I didn't say grown-ups biggrin ) and we can decide what is appropriate for our own viewing. Otherwise we're no better than the moral "majority" assholes.

Namaiki

namaiki

I'm lost
OLD SKOOL

JUL 31, 2002 10:08 PM

BatAttaK said:
I think the original philosophy should apply...whatever the girls are comfortable with is ok. If Dia is cool with it, and it is quite obvious that she is, then that should end the debate right there.
This isn't a democracy...it is all about the girls and what they want. If we all voted we wanted 100% gynecological spread shots do you really think it would happen? Nope.
This is but a benevolent and loving dictatorship. We're just along for the ride.



Yeah yeah, okay, so I was under the spell of thinking this was a democracy - what ever was I thinking!. I better start behaving then I guess, or I'll wake up in a ditch.
So yeah, girls, do whatever the fuck you like biggrin More pussy, less pussy, vibrators, felatio, chickens, whatever. Please yourself. Please us. Please Missy. Please yourself. Repeat. Ooop! Look! I've stoped caring. confused

Elise

Elise

SUICIDEGIRL

Indiana, USA

JUL 31, 2002 10:18 PM

i personally don't want to see sg turn into that. no offense to anyone. i'm open to everyone's opinions and they're great, but i think doing that will put sg right up there with most of the other porn sites. don't kill me for it, it's just my opinion.

Dia

Dia

SUICIDEGIRL

Monaco

JUL 31, 2002 10:20 PM

COOL you guys, thanks for the positive response, I feel way more comfortable now, I didn't want a lot of flack and also, I wanted to know it would go up.

Yeah, I'm quite comfortable with it. Man, that was comfortable, too comfortable, haha... I think I coulda just sort of been there all day.

I've always been worried about being too hardcore or something, but that's dumb. I realize that for lots of girls this is the first time they've been naked for the camera and whatnot, but I'm pretty much just used to modelling nude since I've been doing it since I was eighteen with very little reprieve, although I never did anything terribly commercial. I like the dirty dirty stuff though.

Sixsixty, tag, you're it!

Morgan

Morgan

SUICIDEGIRL

Illinois, USA

JUL 31, 2002 10:46 PM

You know, i think the most important thing is that the girls go as far (or not as far, as the case may be) as they feel comfortable with. And if that includes penetration or, say, a hello kitty vibrator, that's great.

At the same time, i agree with elise in that i definately don't want sg to ever come close to being anything like typical porn sites. I don't it to even be comparable. It isn't now. But, in the end, i think it won't be comparable, even if we're showing a girl with a cucumber in her kitty or something, because the attitude here will ALWAYS be different, and comfortable, and it will feel like a community, instead of a place where people go to jack off (unlike most porn sites, where journals are only instituted so they can make people feel better about not giving a fuck about the girls they're looking at...people here actually LIKE the girls for who they are, nude or not)

In the end, i say, go for it Dia. We always want to see more of you, anyway. wink And as long as you're enjoying yourself, and sg and spooky help us keep the jerks at bay, we will still be the wonderful, wonderful sg that we are now!

Ooh, what a speech. where's my nobel prize, huh?

Dia

Dia

SUICIDEGIRL

Monaco

JUL 31, 2002 11:28 PM

Elise said:
i personally don't want to see sg turn into that. no offense to anyone. i'm open to everyone's opinions and they're great, but i think doing that will put sg right up there with most of the other porn sites. don't kill me for it, it's just my opinion.



Don't worry, Elise, I'm looking for opinions! smile I don't think it changes SG's, but I am very biased as porn doesn't offend me, unless it's degrading or coercive... but yeah, what sixsixty said, I mean, I'd do full bore cum shots, and don't ever let this one bad cowboy hat movie of me get on Ebay or I'll flip my lid, lol... but I'd never do anything that would offend other people.

Hence my querying.

Of course, I could counter that by saying some people are offended, period. Some people are offended by the mere sight of ankles! It's all a matter of perspective. This site is largely American based, and I wonder if this would be a question I'd even bother to answer in parts of Europe, where they show full bore sex on TV and such, or so I've heard. I like that. I think sex is so healthy and good. It's violence that I would like eradicated.... and also, stupidity. So it seems to me that attitude is what is important? I have no idea, I can go back and forth on a debate all day and keep flipping sides as Devil's Advocate. I sure don't think SG's will be the worse for seeing penetration. Which is what a lot of people might want to see, and I suppose, I was thinking about this, the set could come with a warning that it contains explicit penetration! And not to look if it's offensive or something. If it goes up, because I'm so not clear whether it would or not, although I must say I did love every second of it, and it was very much my idea, and I'm the damned model, right?!

Don't forget too that sexuality changes as you get older... that's one of the things I was trying to say, that you get old enough, and have done enough, and you want more, you are more and more comfortable, less scares you, less embaresses you, you WANT to share more.

Morgan, great speech, here, here!

It's such a complex issue, to not want to offend others but to also want to be true to yourself and your own artistic goals and sexual truths. In the end, I would think, I would hope, that do what you wanna do and who cares what anyone thinks is the true Suicide Girls attitude... but I've just no patience for things that aren't hardcore but claim they are! It's like, if you talk the talk...

I'm totally rambling. Sorry! I'm really hyper right now! CRAZY DAYS. bok

Dia

Dia

SUICIDEGIRL

Monaco

JUL 31, 2002 11:33 PM

By the way, I was reading Morgan's post above, and regarding people jacking off, you know, if someone is gonna jack off to that stuff, that's incidental to me. I was the one jacking off, if I recall properly... !!!BOING!!!

But we've debated before and already concluded that people DO whack it to SG, and SG IS a porn site. It always get debated, erotica or porn. It's porn. It's already wank material. Just really nicely done and respectfully so, and it has levels that go far beyond it. But if it weren't, every single member would actually post a public profile, right, and keep up with the boards. I'm sure some huge number of members do NOTHING but jerk off to the pics, and never do engage in talking to the girls or posting or anything. So what are they here for, and why are they so damned furtive about it all, hmmm?! eeek Bahhahahaha! Weird to think about, but a truth to be faced by anyone posing nude. People whack off to the JC Penney bra section too in the circulars, so, it's amazing what source material people will use. You get naked, you deal with the psychological consequences and implications, I think. Frankly, that's why I'm in it. Self-confrontation.

P.S. Sixsixty is hot.

Elise

Elise

SUICIDEGIRL

Indiana, USA

JUL 31, 2002 11:38 PM

ok first and foremost, i am not scared of sex. i am QUITE open to sex. i am QUITE open to masturbation. i have QUITE a few pornos downloaded to my own little personal folder on my computer.

I joined this site because it was different. It isn't hardcore in anyway. it is cute. it is fun. it is still sexy. I am open to sexual activity being portrayed on film! just not on SG FILM. this is not the place for it.

we are so concerned with something new. we need something new. i agree. but going to the other extreme isn't the way to do it. people are thinking in the wrong direction. getting more extreme in the same setting isn't the same as getting creative. it's still the same. it's just more pornographic.

SG's: think "what else can i do with my sets?" "how much more creative can i be?" "what can i do differently?" and if all you can come up with is being more hardcore, then you're not thinking hard enough.

1) setting
2) costume
3) mood

three things right there can help you get more creative in your sets. you don't need to have penetration and closer kitty shots to acheive originality.

DigDug

digdug

Portland, OR
OLD SKOOL

JUL 31, 2002 11:39 PM

Did I really just see someone quoting Kant on SG?!?!!!? Right on, brother!!!

Dia, I completely trust your taste and style and am confident that whatever you do will be very very hot and totally acceptabe - and hot - and maybe also....hot. Of course, you can't please everyone, but I'm all for your penetration and pleasure.

To those who are concerned: I don't think SG will start to degrade with the addition of insertions. I would bet that the majority of current SGs would not be comfortable adding this element to their repetoire. If the site contains a few sets with toys, I think everyone can still remain satisfied. As someone above said, if you don't like, don't look.

Dia

Dia

SUICIDEGIRL

Monaco

JUL 31, 2002 11:47 PM

Elise: Mad respect to you, love!

I did it hardcore AND creative. I had to eat three fucking pounds of cherries. Hahahaha. And I have had this running joke about Hello Kitty Vibrator since Suiciety said it made him think of me way back when he went to Chicago, she became my obsession and love... don't worry, it's totally creative. I wouldn't pull schlock. I WAS a fine arts major, before I moved on to Creative Writing. I also consider myself very much a die-hard feminist. I can totally see your point about how boring insertion could lead to boring shots, and a regurgitated type of a site, although I will say, not all the sets on here ARE that creative anyways (no offense to anyone, it happens...).... but my PRIMARY concerns are completely doing something both authentic AND unusual.

I basically just made this post to test the waters and general climate, and it still feels positive to me. The cherry business has me as worried as the hello kitty one, and there is no penetration there, it's just really pretty evil, lol, and man, I have never had so much fun in my life. I think I know how DJD felt when she was sticking a shotgun in her mouth. Or when Lola was naked with her gun. Or what Genesis pulled with the knives. Yeah, I totally love SG's, does it show? I've checked out all the sets... even the older and more obscure ones... this is a great love of mine. love

Tatum

Tatum

SUICIDEGIRL

Indiana, USA

JUL 31, 2002 11:48 PM

Elise said:
SG's: think "what else can i do with my sets?" "how much more creative can i be?" "what can i do differently?" and if all you can come up with is being more hardcore, then you're not thinking hard enough.

1) setting
2) costume
3) mood

three things right there can help you get more creative in your sets. you don't need to have penetration and closer kitty shots to acheive originality.



I fully agree with you, Elise! I am not some prude or anything but I would really not appreciate material like this on the site myself. If you guys want to see this, just download it on Kazaa or something. Wack it to some plastic blonde girls doing it for the camera, but I'd hate to see the site turn into something so "typical". I love the way this site runs like a community and there's SO many possibilities you guys could do in your sets! If you guys need help on CREATIVE ideas, I say we get that message board up like we've suggested before. This will help us not do the same sets and will also give people an idea of something to do! Like if you have an idea but know you can't do it, just say hey someone needs to do this! We are all intelligent enough, the members should also tell us sets they'd like to see us to more often. But not in this direction we seem to be going unfortunately. I hope I don't offend anyone either by voicing my opinion.

[Edited on Jul 31, 2002 by Tatum]

Elise

Elise

SUICIDEGIRL

Indiana, USA

JUL 31, 2002 11:57 PM

Dia said:


not all the sets on here ARE that creative anyways (no offense to anyone, it happens...).... but my PRIMARY concerns are completely doing something both authentic AND unusual.




i agree, dia, that's what i was saying. i think some creativity needs to flow into sg real soon, but i don't think you have to be pornographic in order to be "authentic AND unusual". you should see some future sets tatum and i have taken/planned and you will see some MAJOR authenticity and creativity. and we don't even show our kittiecats. :-P not that it's wrong to show what you have! the female body is BEAUTIFUL and i am BIG FAN of your first set, dia. i am uncomfortable with portraying penetration on this site. it's as simple as that, dear. there is a time and place for that, and this is simply not the place for it in my opinion.

all in all, girls, there is SO MUCH YOU CAN DO if you just use your imagination!! you don't need to get more hardcore in order to be creative!! biggrin

and dia, i respect and love you as well dear. i'm just stating my opinion as you are!

horsekateer

horsekateer

I'm lost
July 2002

AUG 01, 2002 12:00 AM

i think its pretty clear that the site isnt ging to allow anything like what you guys are talking about

not saying its good or bad, i just think its fairly clear spooks and missy didnt have that kind of thing in mind when they started this whole shindig

then again, I can't speak for those guys bok

Elise

Elise

SUICIDEGIRL

Indiana, USA

AUG 01, 2002 12:02 AM

horsekateer said:
i think its pretty clear that the site isnt ging to allow anything like what you guys are talking about




let's hope so
smile

Nic

Nic

SUICIDEGIRL

United Kingdom

AUG 01, 2002 12:10 AM

Dias told me about her new shoot and I really want to see it. If people don't like what she's doing... well, its only one set, isn't it?

Dia

Dia

SUICIDEGIRL

Monaco

AUG 01, 2002 12:28 AM

Wack it to some plastic blonde girls doing it for the camera, but I'd hate to see the site turn into something so "typical". I love the way this site runs like a community and there's SO many possibilities you guys could do in your sets!



Jeez, Tatum, why's it make it typical if you're inserting or not. Isn't that the only difference between Playboy and Hustler? So why is it off limits here, isn't it a possibility too?? How does it make it less community oriented?

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