Penetration (subtitled: can I go too far?)

Okay, this is a general question related to my last shoot, but really I was curious in general. What is this communities feeling towards SG's shooting penetration shots? Not CUM shots. I understand we don't want cum shots. But what about masturbation shots? Penetration/non-penetration/in general...?

i personally don't want to see sg turn into that. no offense to anyone. i'm open to everyone's opinions and they're great, but i think doing that will put sg right up there with most of the other porn sites. don't kill me for it, it's just my opinion.

COOL you guys, thanks for the positive response, I feel way more comfortable now, I didn't want a lot of flack and also, I wanted to know it would go up.

Yeah, I'm quite comfortable with it. Man, that was comfortable, too comfortable, haha... I think I coulda just sort of been there all day.

I've always been worried about being too hardcore or something, but that's dumb. I realize that for lots of girls this is the first time they've been naked for the camera and whatnot, but I'm pretty much just used to modelling nude since I've been doing it since I was eighteen with very little reprieve, although I never did anything terribly commercial. I like the dirty dirty stuff though.

Sixsixty, tag, you're it!

You know, i think the most important thing is that the girls go as far (or not as far, as the case may be) as they feel comfortable with. And if that includes penetration or, say, a hello kitty vibrator, that's great.

At the same time, i agree with elise in that i definately don't want sg to ever come close to being anything like typical porn sites. I don't it to even be comparable. It isn't now. But, in the end, i think it won't be comparable, even if we're showing a girl with a cucumber in her kitty or something, because the attitude here will ALWAYS be different, and comfortable, and it will feel like a community, instead of a place where people go to jack off (unlike most porn sites, where journals are only instituted so they can make people feel better about not giving a fuck about the girls they're looking at...people here actually LIKE the girls for who they are, nude or not)

In the end, i say, go for it Dia. We always want to see more of you, anyway. And as long as you're enjoying yourself, and sg and spooky help us keep the jerks at bay, we will still be the wonderful, wonderful sg that we are now!

Ooh, what a speech. where's my nobel prize, huh?

Don't worry, Elise, I'm looking for opinions! I don't think it changes SG's, but I am very biased as porn doesn't offend me, unless it's degrading or coercive... but yeah, what sixsixty said, I mean, I'd do full bore cum shots, and don't ever let this one bad cowboy hat movie of me get on Ebay or I'll flip my lid, lol... but I'd never do anything that would offend other people.

Hence my querying.

Of course, I could counter that by saying some people are offended, period. Some people are offended by the mere sight of ankles! It's all a matter of perspective. This site is largely American based, and I wonder if this would be a question I'd even bother to answer in parts of Europe, where they show full bore sex on TV and such, or so I've heard. I like that. I think sex is so healthy and good. It's violence that I would like eradicated.... and also, stupidity. So it seems to me that attitude is what is important? I have no idea, I can go back and forth on a debate all day and keep flipping sides as Devil's Advocate. I sure don't think SG's will be the worse for seeing penetration. Which is what a lot of people might want to see, and I suppose, I was thinking about this, the set could come with a warning that it contains explicit penetration! And not to look if it's offensive or something. If it goes up, because I'm so not clear whether it would or not, although I must say I did love every second of it, and it was very much my idea, and I'm the damned model, right?!

Don't forget too that sexuality changes as you get older... that's one of the things I was trying to say, that you get old enough, and have done enough, and you want more, you are more and more comfortable, less scares you, less embaresses you, you WANT to share more.

Morgan, great speech, here, here!

It's such a complex issue, to not want to offend others but to also want to be true to yourself and your own artistic goals and sexual truths. In the end, I would think, I would hope, that do what you wanna do and who cares what anyone thinks is the true Suicide Girls attitude... but I've just no patience for things that aren't hardcore but claim they are! It's like, if you talk the talk...

I'm totally rambling. Sorry! I'm really hyper right now! CRAZY DAYS.

By the way, I was reading Morgan's post above, and regarding people jacking off, you know, if someone is gonna jack off to that stuff, that's incidental to me. I was the one jacking off, if I recall properly... !!!BOING!!!

But we've debated before and already concluded that people DO whack it to SG, and SG IS a porn site. It always get debated, erotica or porn. It's porn. It's already wank material. Just really nicely done and respectfully so, and it has levels that go far beyond it. But if it weren't, every single member would actually post a public profile, right, and keep up with the boards. I'm sure some huge number of members do NOTHING but jerk off to the pics, and never do engage in talking to the girls or posting or anything. So what are they here for, and why are they so damned furtive about it all, hmmm?! Bahhahahaha! Weird to think about, but a truth to be faced by anyone posing nude. People whack off to the JC Penney bra section too in the circulars, so, it's amazing what source material people will use. You get naked, you deal with the psychological consequences and implications, I think. Frankly, that's why I'm in it. Self-confrontation.

P.S. Sixsixty is hot.

ok first and foremost, i am not scared of sex. i am QUITE open to sex. i am QUITE open to masturbation. i have QUITE a few pornos downloaded to my own little personal folder on my computer.

I joined this site because it was different. It isn't hardcore in anyway. it is cute. it is fun. it is still sexy. I am open to sexual activity being portrayed on film! just not on SG FILM. this is not the place for it.

we are so concerned with something new. we need something new. i agree. but going to the other extreme isn't the way to do it. people are thinking in the wrong direction. getting more extreme in the same setting isn't the same as getting creative. it's still the same. it's just more pornographic.

SG's: think "what else can i do with my sets?" "how much more creative can i be?" "what can i do differently?" and if all you can come up with is being more hardcore, then you're not thinking hard enough.

1) setting
2) costume
3) mood

three things right there can help you get more creative in your sets. you don't need to have penetration and closer kitty shots to acheive originality.

Elise: Mad respect to you, love!

I did it hardcore AND creative. I had to eat three fucking pounds of cherries. Hahahaha. And I have had this running joke about Hello Kitty Vibrator since Suiciety said it made him think of me way back when he went to Chicago, she became my obsession and love... don't worry, it's totally creative. I wouldn't pull schlock. I WAS a fine arts major, before I moved on to Creative Writing. I also consider myself very much a die-hard feminist. I can totally see your point about how boring insertion could lead to boring shots, and a regurgitated type of a site, although I will say, not all the sets on here ARE that creative anyways (no offense to anyone, it happens...).... but my PRIMARY concerns are completely doing something both authentic AND unusual.

I basically just made this post to test the waters and general climate, and it still feels positive to me. The cherry business has me as worried as the hello kitty one, and there is no penetration there, it's just really pretty evil, lol, and man, I have never had so much fun in my life. I think I know how DJD felt when she was sticking a shotgun in her mouth. Or when Lola was naked with her gun. Or what Genesis pulled with the knives. Yeah, I totally love SG's, does it show? I've checked out all the sets... even the older and more obscure ones... this is a great love of mine.

I fully agree with you, Elise! I am not some prude or anything but I would really not appreciate material like this on the site myself. If you guys want to see this, just download it on Kazaa or something. Wack it to some plastic blonde girls doing it for the camera, but I'd hate to see the site turn into something so "typical". I love the way this site runs like a community and there's SO many possibilities you guys could do in your sets! If you guys need help on CREATIVE ideas, I say we get that message board up like we've suggested before. This will help us not do the same sets and will also give people an idea of something to do! Like if you have an idea but know you can't do it, just say hey someone needs to do this! We are all intelligent enough, the members should also tell us sets they'd like to see us to more often. But not in this direction we seem to be going unfortunately. I hope I don't offend anyone either by voicing my opinion.

[Edited on Jul 31, 2002 by Tatum]

i agree, dia, that's what i was saying. i think some creativity needs to flow into sg real soon, but i don't think you have to be pornographic in order to be "authentic AND unusual". you should see some future sets tatum and i have taken/planned and you will see some MAJOR authenticity and creativity. and we don't even show our kittiecats. :-P not that it's wrong to show what you have! the female body is BEAUTIFUL and i am BIG FAN of your first set, dia. i am uncomfortable with portraying penetration on this site. it's as simple as that, dear. there is a time and place for that, and this is simply not the place for it in my opinion.

all in all, girls, there is SO MUCH YOU CAN DO if you just use your imagination!! you don't need to get more hardcore in order to be creative!!

and dia, i respect and you as well dear. i'm just stating my opinion as you are!

let's hope so

Dias told me about her new shoot and I really want to see it. If people don't like what she's doing... well, its only one set, isn't it?

Jeez, Tatum, why's it make it typical if you're inserting or not. Isn't that the only difference between Playboy and Hustler? So why is it off limits here, isn't it a possibility too?? How does it make it less community oriented?