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seaalt

seaalt

USA
September 2010

NOV 17, 2010 12:37 AM

In watching some of the videos SGs put up of making their sets, it is evident that creating a set is a bit of effort. Also, in reading some blogs, I see there can be a lot of disappointment and frustration when a set is ultimately not selected for front page. Or, a huge amount of excitement when a set does go live.

I was curious as to how much effort typically goes into taking a set from initial concept through to the final posting (i.e. time, cost, number of people, finding a photographer, etc...) I'm sure the answer varies pretty wildly from set to set.

Thanks in advance for any information you share, and definitely appreciate all the work you all put into the sets. smile

Scotty

Scotty

SUICIDEGIRL

Australia

NOV 17, 2010 01:13 AM

I can only speak for myself, but I put a massive amount of effort, thought and time into my sets.

All of my sets are my ideas, and once I have an idea which I'd like to explore, I approach a photographer, which in itself can be a mission. If they are unfamiliar with SG, I buy them a subscription, send them samples of sets I like, show them styles I like, and make sure they are completely familair with the rules and regulations and standards.

I always scout out my own locations, (which can take months sometimes) and take pictures of the location to send to my photographer to make sure lighting/space ect is all ok, and that they'd be comfortable shooting there.

My photographer and I then discuss if we need more lighting or if we need to change anything about the location, or if we need any props or helpers ect.

I always make sure my hair, makeup and outfit ect suit the location and that it all fits in well together. This often includes a fair bit of expense in buying new outfits or bits and pieces to make sure I have everything for the set that it needs. I normally do my own hair and makeup for my sets as well. Having a set that looks like it all fits in together is important to me, so I put alot of thought into hair, makeup and outfits.

From there, I always try and figure out what poses flatter me the most, and if I can work them into that paticlar set. I often research other sets to try and get ideas for poses/facial expressions and things like that.

And then of course, leading up to a set, I put alot of time into my body, things like dying my hair re-growth, waxing, moisterising, conditioning my hair, making sure my nails are neat ect. I do all of this anyway, but I like to make sure it's all up to scratch for sets.

From my initial idea, to actually shooting a set, normally takes about a month ot two, and then usually another month to edit and submit, and usually cost me a couple hundred dollars by the time I pay for everything I need, including a photographer, or someone else to edit the set.

Totem

Totem

I'm lost
December 2008

NOV 17, 2010 09:35 AM

For me it was relatively easy to find a photographer as Holley does great work and comes highly recommended. It took a few months from initial contact to shooting with a lot of back and forth between myself, Holley, and Galda on the type on various related topics like style and what representations of my personality would translate best in photographs. It also took a lot of time to find a nice and suitable location as my city is quite teeny tiny. And about a month to get my body to the condition I wanted etc. Cost was about £250, maybe a bit more as I had to rent the location, have my hair freshly coloured etc. Then the set was ready about three weeks afterwards and in MR about three months after shooting.

Serene

Serene

SUICIDEGIRL

Oregon, USA

NOV 17, 2010 12:46 PM

I always put as much effort/work into my sets as I can.....usually, it's part of the fun (even if the set does not get purchased).

Countessa

Countessa

SUICIDEGIRL

Australia

NOV 17, 2010 02:01 PM

My latest one was a heap of work because it was in a kinda public location and I had to get special permission. Also rounding up SG's and sexy members to be in the background for me was really hard! And finding a photographer in Australia is hard too. There was at least 6 interstate trips involved just to get everyone to the location!

Scotty

Scotty

SUICIDEGIRL

Australia

NOV 17, 2010 02:11 PM

Countessa said:
My latest one was a heap of work because it was in a kinda public location and I had to get special permission. Also rounding up SG's and sexy members to be in the background for me was really hard! And finding a photographer in Australia is hard too. There was at least 6 interstate trips involved just to get everyone to the location!



Damn glad I was there wink

Renascence

Renascence

HOPEFUL

France

NOV 17, 2010 02:21 PM

I think some of the girls on here are so beautiful, and so diverse, that sometimes it's not obvious how much work went into the set because everything flows so well. It's so complete and easy on the eyes BECAUSE of the work, but not screaming out "staged".
And when girls have some of the best tattoos on their sexy bodies, well, I know I dont think about the fact that the location is a key 'tone enhancer'.
I was so nervous with my first set, and I think it made it hard for the photographer. It was actually more weird getting my clothes off for her, because she has been a longtime friend, than i was for the camera. That made it all rather limited. After spending time on here looking through the awesome sets available, and talking with other members of the community, it makes the whole thing more intimate and personal, which is exactly what the good sets are.
For my next set, we are already a few weeks into planning, and there are still so many elements to play with. I know i cant wait to have another go! wink And the education has been yummy!

Clio

Clio

SUICIDEGIRL

Netherlands

NOV 17, 2010 02:41 PM

it totally depends. I've done sets where I literally just showed up just wearing mascara and whatever clothes I had on that day, but sometimes shoots take weeks (even months) to prepare.

Dezzie

Dezzie

HOPEFUL

El Paso, TX

NOV 17, 2010 04:43 PM

I agree with Clio
All sets take some preparation, as in make-up, hair, and clothing. I've taken sets where all I needed was a casual outfit of mine and a good mindset. Sometimes less is a lot more, and simple sets can be totally hot. In my case, it's the sets that are personal that take all of the preparation. If I have a certain theme or idea I want to portray I try and work out every detail as a team with the photographer.

The set I'm shooting this weekend has been being planned for for the past three months, and the idea came to me a little over a year ago. As of right now there are four people on the set team including myself, the photographer, a makeup artist and the photographers assistant. After the set is taken it will be edited and finalized, and that will make the set team rise to six people. Still, sets can be self shot, and be great, and some sets it's just you in the photographer, it really depends on what your set will entail.

Like Scotty does, I make sure my outfit, hair, and makeup fit the general theme and feel of the set. Things can look out of place and ruin the feel of a set. And she's right, even if you're frugal it can cost a pretty penny to be prepared for a set.

The week before a set I get plenty of sleep, pamper my skin and hair, and practice poses and faces in the mirror. It sounds silly, but it's really important to know how your face or body feels when you are making an attractive face/smile/pose. I also don't wear make up or my contacts for two days before a shoot. To give my face and eyes time to rest. And I drink a lot of water, it makes a difference. I usually do my own makeup and hair, this will be the first set I've done where I've worked where a makeup artist.

The editing process and how long it takes depends on your photographer/photoshopper,

Cate

Cate

SUICIDEGIRL

I'm lost

NOV 17, 2010 04:54 PM

Both of the sets I've done have been a bit of effort. Mostly scheduling and stuff but it's what I was wearing that day for both. No "costume" and lots less make-up then I would normally wear, just because my going out make-up wouldn't photo as well. I know most other girls spend more time on theirs. That might be why they have more sets live.wink

Vanessa

Vanessa

SUICIDEGIRL

USA

NOV 17, 2010 04:57 PM

For me, creating a set is creating a work of art.
It will always be there for people to see and I won't let anything but what I perceive as perfect be posted.

It takes months, sometimes a year or more to get what I want done and done right.

The exception being my first set, because this was back int he day when Missy would interview a group of girls in LA, call/email you if they liked you and you'd meet her and shoot, that was all done in like a week and a half.

Every other set has taken weeks, if not months of planning and editing.

Even the sets of mine that look simple, trust me, they were anything but.

It's like that for all my photoshoots though, not just the ones for this site.

Casca

Casca

SUICIDEGIRL

United Kingdom

NOV 17, 2010 05:37 PM

For me the longest part of the process is finding a photographer. I don't live anywhere near any UK photographers so I tend to have to wait until I am going to be down south or if I can find someone who can travel. After that I do a lot of research to get the look I want and find inspiration for poses, locations and possible themes. The time before the shoot can vary depending on whether the photographer is coming to me or if I a travelling. I like to pay a lot of attention to my outfit, hair and make up, making sure it is right for the set and I always end up buying a new item of clothing or something for the shoot. After the shoot it can take anything from a few weeks to months before the set is uploaded depending on the photographers workload.

Texy

Texy

New Zealand
October 2009

NOV 17, 2010 10:42 PM

There arent any SG photographers in New Zealand
(that i know of, at least..) so that made it difficult for me, plus i dont
think i put in as much effort or imagination into the sets i
posted last year. i plan on submitting a set in the new year,
just getting some tips smile i think all the best sets have a lot of
thought, effort, and energy put into them. (and by 'best' i
dont mean only the ones that get bought, cause there are
still so many amazing creative sets in MR, by Hopefuls and
the SG's).

Scotty

Scotty

SUICIDEGIRL

Australia

NOV 17, 2010 10:54 PM

Texy said:
There arent any SG photographers in New Zealand



Same here in Aus.

So, sometimes finding an appropriate photographer is half the battle.

Finding someone who is actually good enough to meet current standards, understands what SG requires, and actually wants to shoot SG sets, can sometimes be super hard, but we're slowly getting there wink

MarkPainter

MarkPainter

Natick, MA
March 2010

NOV 17, 2010 11:41 PM

Christ.whatever

I remember back in the day(2001) they'd take almost any girls pics that cared to get naked.eeek

I kinda miss those daysblushIt was kinda like looking at dirty polaroid pictures of your actual punk/goth/raver girl next door.love

I wish I could have foreseen how popular this beast was destine to be.

I still think this SG thing is pretty cool,but it's a totally different game now.



Vanessa

Vanessa

SUICIDEGIRL

USA

NOV 17, 2010 11:59 PM

MarkPainter said:
Christ.whatever

I remember back in the day(2001) they'd take almost any girls pics that cared to get naked.eeek

I kinda miss those daysblushIt was kinda like looking at dirty polaroid pictures of your actual punk/goth/raver girl next door.love

I wish I could have foreseen how popular this beast was destine to be.

I still think this SG thing is pretty cool,but it's a totally different game now.





Wow, way to insult the older girls.

And thanks for making those of us who actually put thought into our sets feel like shit.

talamia

talamia

South Africa
July 2008

NOV 18, 2010 11:34 AM

Vanessa said:

MarkPainter said:
Christ.whatever

I remember back in the day(2001) they'd take almost any girls pics that cared to get naked.eeek

I kinda miss those daysblushIt was kinda like looking at dirty polaroid pictures of your actual punk/goth/raver girl next door.love

I wish I could have foreseen how popular this beast was destine to be.

I still think this SG thing is pretty cool,but it's a totally different game now.





Wow, way to insult the older girls.

And thanks for making those of us who actually put thought into our sets feel like shit.



No no, I don't think he meant any insult by his comments. They are valid indeed. I wasn't on the site back when it first started (I was only 16 although by 2002 I was already a keen follower of everything SG) but it only makes sense that back then a lot of the sets were either self-shot or shot by Missy who I'm sure was not a professional photographer when she first started and carried out the role out of necessity (I'm sure set weren't made purposefully to look like "dirty polaroid pictures" as you put it MarkPainter). When you understand the growth behind SG everything makes more sense. I like the fact that the site has seemingly matured along with the creator(s) of SG, it's a kind of SG evolution smile

That was off-topic I know... Back to the thread question...

I'm sure there's going to be a lot more girls here answering with "yes it's tons of preparation for me" simply because anyone admitting the opposite would probably be given the evil eye LOL. Fact of the matter is variety is the spice of life here on SG and the same applies to girls' sets. I don't think there's any girl here who ONLY do super outrageous themed sets and neither do I think there is any girl here who ONLY do simple sets. It's more half-half.

Serene

Serene

SUICIDEGIRL

Oregon, USA

NOV 18, 2010 11:52 AM

talamia said:

Vanessa said:

MarkPainter said:

Christ.whatever

I remember back in the day(2001) they'd take almost any girls pics that cared to get naked.eeek

I kinda miss those daysblushIt was kinda like looking at dirty polaroid pictures of your actual punk/goth/raver girl next door.love

I wish I could have foreseen how popular this beast was destine to be.

I still think this SG thing is pretty cool,but it's a totally different game now.





Wow, way to insult the older girls.

And thanks for making those of us who actually put thought into our sets feel like shit.



No no, I don't think he meant any insult by his comments. They are valid indeed. I wasn't on the site back when it first started (I was only 16 although by 2002 I was already a keen follower of everything SG) but it only makes sense that back then a lot of the sets were either self-shot or shot by Missy who I'm sure was not a professional photographer when she first started and carried out the role out of necessity (I'm sure set weren't made purposefully to look like "dirty polaroid pictures" as you put it MarkPainter). When you understand the growth behind SG everything makes more sense. I like the fact that the site has seemingly matured along with the creator(s) of SG, it's a kind of SG evolution smile

That was off-topic I know... Back to the thread question...

I'm sure there's going to be a lot more girls here answering with "yes it's tons of preparation for me" simply because anyone admitting the opposite would probably be given the evil eye LOL. Fact of the matter is variety is the spice of life here on SG and the same applies to girls' sets. I don't think there's any girl here who ONLY do super outrageous themed sets and neither do I think there is any girl here who ONLY do simple sets. It's more half-half.



I agree talamia.

Cate

Cate

SUICIDEGIRL

I'm lost

NOV 18, 2010 11:57 AM

Serene said:

talamia said:

Vanessa said:

MarkPainter said:

Christ.whatever

I remember back in the day(2001) they'd take almost any girls pics that cared to get naked.eeek

I kinda miss those daysblushIt was kinda like looking at dirty polaroid pictures of your actual punk/goth/raver girl next door.love

I wish I could have foreseen how popular this beast was destine to be.

I still think this SG thing is pretty cool,but it's a totally different game now.





Wow, way to insult the older girls.

And thanks for making those of us who actually put thought into our sets feel like shit.



No no, I don't think he meant any insult by his comments. They are valid indeed. I wasn't on the site back when it first started (I was only 16 although by 2002 I was already a keen follower of everything SG) but it only makes sense that back then a lot of the sets were either self-shot or shot by Missy who I'm sure was not a professional photographer when she first started and carried out the role out of necessity (I'm sure set weren't made purposefully to look like "dirty polaroid pictures" as you put it MarkPainter). When you understand the growth behind SG everything makes more sense. I like the fact that the site has seemingly matured along with the creator(s) of SG, it's a kind of SG evolution smile

That was off-topic I know... Back to the thread question...

I'm sure there's going to be a lot more girls here answering with "yes it's tons of preparation for me" simply because anyone admitting the opposite would probably be given the evil eye LOL. Fact of the matter is variety is the spice of life here on SG and the same applies to girls' sets. I don't think there's any girl here who ONLY do super outrageous themed sets and neither do I think there is any girl here who ONLY do simple sets. It's more half-half.



I agree talamia.



I also agree with talamia.
But i will say i do simple sets. Side eye all you want.wink

Cymagen

cymagen

I'm lost
March 2006

NOV 18, 2010 06:51 PM

I go absolutely crazy sorting and picking shots for sets...it is so difficult sometimes to balance unique shots, interesting shots, etc, and also maintaining some sort of coherent flow from start to finish. It can take me as much as 2-3 days to sort and edit everything.

Lightroom has made it a lot easier.

Thistle

Thistle

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

NOV 18, 2010 09:18 PM

Vanessa said:

MarkPainter said:
Christ.whatever

I remember back in the day(2001) they'd take almost any girls pics that cared to get naked.eeek

I kinda miss those daysblushIt was kinda like looking at dirty polaroid pictures of your actual punk/goth/raver girl next door.love

I wish I could have foreseen how popular this beast was destine to be.

I still think this SG thing is pretty cool,but it's a totally different game now.





Wow, way to insult the older girls.

And thanks for making those of us who actually put thought into our sets feel like shit.



As one of those girls whose first set is definitely of the "grimy polaroids" variety, I don't take this as an insult at all. The photo quality, and the overall feel of the site, used to be completely different. It was much more of a "oh my god, the cute girl from the coffee shop is naked on the internet!!" vibe. Whereas now, everyone and there mother is naked on the internet, so SG has evolved a much more specific style and higher level of quality.

I don't know how you can take it as an insult that someone who's been here for a while misses the way the site used to be. It's pretty much universal among long-time members, no matter how much they might enjoy the site as it is now.

Mimmi

Mimmi

SUICIDEGIRL

Germany

NOV 19, 2010 07:05 AM

Clio said:
it totally depends. I've done sets where I literally just showed up just wearing mascara and whatever clothes I had on that day, but sometimes shoots take weeks (even months) to prepare.



Agreed.

I have spent months only finding the right location but I have also shot a set where the photographer and I just met and worked with what we had (while Tie, Sheena and Fraise were having lunch in the same room biggrin)

seaalt

seaalt

USA
September 2010

NOV 23, 2010 09:01 PM

Thanks everyone for your input. Definitely appreciate all the energy and time you pour into this site smile

Stanhope

Stanhope

I'm lost
December 2010

DEC 06, 2010 06:00 PM


I'm curious how many hours it takes to shoot a set. I assume you break it up over several days so you don't go flat. Do you usually have an assistant on the set, or does it work better with just photographer and model present? And one other question: do you meet before the shoot or just swap phone calls?

Scotty

Scotty

SUICIDEGIRL

Australia

DEC 06, 2010 06:08 PM

Stanhope said:

I'm curious how many hours it takes to shoot a set. I assume you break it up over several days so you don't go flat. Do you usually have an assistant on the set, or does it work better with just photographer and model present? And one other question: do you meet before the shoot or just swap phone calls?



My sets usually take a couple of hours to shoot. In terms of normal photoshoots, that's usually about average from what I've experienced. Although I've had sets that have taken 4 hours to shoot, and I've knocked out sets in 30 mins before as well.

And normally it's just the photographer and I shooting. Although occasionally, I may have a friend watching or tagging along.

Most of the sets I've done have been shot by photographers that I'm already friends with.

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