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mydogfarted

mydogfarted

Oakland, NJ
June 2003

JAN 18, 2012 02:04 PM

Looks like this thread had some viability after all
L.A. City Council OKs law requiring condom use by porn performers


In a significant defeat for the adult film industry, the Los Angeles City Council has given final approval to a city ordinance requiring porn actors to wear condoms while performing.

The 9-1 vote Tuesday marks a significant victory for the L.A.-based AIDS Healthcare Foundation, which has been rallying for years to protect the health of porn actors by asking agencies in California to mandate condom use during film shoots. In the past decade, porn shoots have been suspended several times after high-profile cases of porn performers infected by HIV.

"It's a great day for the performers and safer sex in our society," said an ebullient Michael Weinstein, president of the foundation, which has been waging a largely lonely battle for mandatory condom use for years. "This is the first legislative body to take up the issue, and the near-unanimous support is very gratifying."

Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa is supportive of the ordinance, believing it to address a public health issue, a mayoral spokesman said. Because Villaraigosa is in Washington, D.C., this week, it's possible that the council president, Herb Wesson, will sign the ordinance as acting mayor.

For years, lawmakers have largely ignored calls to crack down on condom-free porn filming. But last year, the foundation changed its tactics and gathered signatures to ask voters to pass an ordinance requiring adult film producers, when seeking a filming permit in the city of Los Angeles, to have actors use condoms.

The new rule would require porn producers to pay a fee to fund surprise inspections. The proposed requirement would have targeted the multibillion-dollar porn industry centered in L.A.'s San Fernando Valley.

Last week, council members signaled during the ordinance's first reading that they believed the porn condom measure would pass at the ballot box and decided to back the AIDS group's proposed ordinance to avoid a $4-million special election this June.

"I think there's no doubt: the voters would see this as a common sense issue and pass it," said Councilman Paul Koretz.

Porn industry representatives opposed the measure. Diane Duke of the lobbying group Free Speech Coalition said, "This is government overreach. It's not about performer health and safety; it's about government regulating what happens between consenting adults."

Weinstein said gay porn performers have been using condoms for years.

Referring to the porn industry, "it's in their DNA to not have anybody tell them anything about how they do business. Self-regulation in the industry has been shown to be a failure across the board," Weinstein said.

The AIDS Healthcare Foundation is also gathering signatures for a measure to go to Los Angeles County voters for the November election. It would also require condom use and ask porn producers to obtain permits from the county Department of Public Health before filming. The county would also be able to do surprise inspections.

The AIDS group is also considering launching a similar condom measure in San Francisco.


Jamila

Jamila

SUICIDEGIRL

Oregon, USA

JAN 18, 2012 04:54 PM

This just seems like a no-brainer to me. I understand that some people will see it as regulation that shouldn't happen, but we are talking about a public health issue and communicable diseases. Six degrees of separation, remember?

StaticToybox

StaticToybox

Ottawa, IL
January 2012

JAN 18, 2012 05:20 PM

Seems pointless. What's to stop the porn producers from packing up and relocating just outside of the jurisdiction while still retaining all the benefits of being in the area?

Jamila said:
This just seems like a no-brainer to me. I understand that some people will see it as regulation that shouldn't happen, but we are talking about a public health issue and communicable diseases. Six degrees of separation, remember?



In that case why not make condoms a requirement for everyone?

Jamila

Jamila

SUICIDEGIRL

Oregon, USA

JAN 18, 2012 05:26 PM

StaticToybox said:
Seems pointless. What's to stop the porn producers from packing up and relocating just outside of the jurisdiction while still retaining all the benefits of being in the area?

Jamila said:
This just seems like a no-brainer to me. I understand that some people will see it as regulation that shouldn't happen, but we are talking about a public health issue and communicable diseases. Six degrees of separation, remember?



In that case why not make condoms a requirement for everyone?



Because that is impossible?

StaticToybox

StaticToybox

Ottawa, IL
January 2012

JAN 18, 2012 05:27 PM

Jamila said:

StaticToybox said:
Seems pointless. What's to stop the porn producers from packing up and relocating just outside of the jurisdiction while still retaining all the benefits of being in the area?

Jamila said:
This just seems like a no-brainer to me. I understand that some people will see it as regulation that shouldn't happen, but we are talking about a public health issue and communicable diseases. Six degrees of separation, remember?



In that case why not make condoms a requirement for everyone?



Because that is impossible?



Impossible to enforce perhaps, but certainly not impossible to legislate.

IDGAS

IDGAS

Jackson Heights, NY
March 2004

JAN 18, 2012 07:00 PM

StaticToybox said:
Seems pointless. What's to stop the porn producers from packing up and relocating just outside of the jurisdiction while still retaining all the benefits of being in the area?

Jamila said:
This just seems like a no-brainer to me. I understand that some people will see it as regulation that shouldn't happen, but we are talking about a public health issue and communicable diseases. Six degrees of separation, remember?



In that case why not make condoms a requirement for everyone?


Because personal reproductive decisions are generally protected. (Abortion rights being chipped away with not withstanding.) While working conditions are frequently regulated as are pubic health matters.


Edit to add - BTW if you are planning to be a troll, willfully ignorant, or otherwise not add value to discussions please let me know ASAP. I would like put you on ignore sooner rather than later.

Jamila

Jamila

SUICIDEGIRL

Oregon, USA

JAN 18, 2012 07:01 PM

Oh give me a break, seriously? HIV can take several months to show up on a test. In the meantime, how many people are exposed.
They want to head elsewhere because of this regulation? That has always been their option.
Just don't see how this could be considered a bad thing. I know, a lot of people hate the government becoming newly involved in anything, however public safety is firmly within the governments' reach.

MissyMalice

MissyMalice

USA
May 2010

JAN 18, 2012 07:08 PM

IDGAS said:

StaticToybox said:
Seems pointless. What's to stop the porn producers from packing up and relocating just outside of the jurisdiction while still retaining all the benefits of being in the area?

Jamila said:
This just seems like a no-brainer to me. I understand that some people will see it as regulation that shouldn't happen, but we are talking about a public health issue and communicable diseases. Six degrees of separation, remember?



In that case why not make condoms a requirement for everyone?


Because personal reproductive decisions are generally protected. (Abortion rights being chipped away with not withstanding.) While working conditions are frequently regulated as are pubic health matters.


Edit to add - BTW if you are planning to be a troll, willfully ignorant, or otherwise not add value to discussions please let me know ASAP. I would like put you on ignore sooner rather than later.



^This.

Besides, there's a higher degree of personal choice in an individual's sex life. For a porn worker, yes, you can choose to take or leave a job, but when it's determining whether or not you can pay your bills, it's a lot easier for someone to take advantage of you and talk you into making choices you otherwise wouldn't.

Also, you know, babies. Remember those things? They're kind hard to make when you're wearing a condom. whatever

StrongDar

StrongDar

USA
April 2010

JAN 18, 2012 07:08 PM

Finally!

Together with PIPA (Senate 968) & SOPA (HR) this is the America I've been waiting for.

I say no more internet or digital phones.

Back to rotary and 12 television stations.

I'll meet you guy out front for kickball, and at the lake on Saturday. I've finally got my Camaro working, I can pick some people up.

No more digital, and porn is bought in stores, to limit it - because fewer people will buy it.

Allow the convenience to be commensurate with the true need again.

I'll see you guys at the roller rink. I should tell you that the '70's and 80's were way more fun. THis age is bananas.

The less we have the less dependent we will be on the mega-corps-conglomo-trons.



NateHevens

NateHevens

Boca Raton, FL
September 2008

JAN 18, 2012 09:45 PM

So much for creampie fetishes...

whatever

(Is it bad that my only reaction is "um, okay. I'll be out here protesting SOPA/PIPA. But y'all have fun with this."?)

StaticToybox

StaticToybox

Ottawa, IL
January 2012

JAN 19, 2012 09:51 AM

Jamila said:
Oh give me a break, seriously? HIV can take several months to show up on a test. In the meantime, how many people are exposed.
They want to head elsewhere because of this regulation? That has always been their option.
Just don't see how this could be considered a bad thing. I know, a lot of people hate the government becoming newly involved in anything, however public safety is firmly within the governments' reach.



Oh I don't see it as a bad thing, per se. Just futile.

Sal_

Sal_

USA
October 2009

JAN 19, 2012 03:30 PM

I honestly don't see this as any different than the government requiring the use of PPE(personal protective equipment) in any other job or profession where an employee could come into contact with hazoardous materials or bodily fluids.

Oracle

Oracle

Courtenay, BC
September 2003

JAN 19, 2012 03:59 PM

Sallen said:
I honestly don't see this as any different than the government requiring the use of PPE(personal protective equipment) in any other job or profession where an employee could come into contact with hazoardous materials or bodily fluids.



I like this way of looking at it....I also assume they will just move jurisdictions as another member mentioned. So, I really have no new ideas to pass along, just sitting here smiling and nodding. Thank you.

Fireflies

Fireflies

USA
December 2011

JAN 19, 2012 06:37 PM

If there are seriously people who work in the porn industry that don't know/care about the risks of not using a condom, I am really frightened.

Other than perhaps "showing a good example",(like people in cars in movies, wearing seatbelts).
I'm not really sure why it's anyone's business but the people being filmed and those doing the filming.
confused

MissyMalice

MissyMalice

USA
May 2010

JAN 19, 2012 06:49 PM

Fireflies said:
I'm not really sure why it's anyone's business but the people being filmed and those doing the filming.
confused



Because the employee is in a low power situation relative to the employer. And it's generally a good idea to look out for the interests of people in low power situations, especially when there is a risk of potentially fatal illnesses. This holds true for any other job; what would make pornography special?

Fireflies

Fireflies

USA
December 2011

JAN 19, 2012 07:23 PM

MissyMalice said:

Fireflies said:
I'm not really sure why it's anyone's business but the people being filmed and those doing the filming.
confused



Because the employee is in a low power situation relative to the employer. And it's generally a good idea to look out for the interests of people in low power situations, especially when there is a risk of potentially fatal illnesses. This holds true for any other job; what would make pornography special?



point taken

baudot

baudot

Oakland, CA
February 2004

JAN 19, 2012 07:50 PM

'spose if people see condoms as the norm in porn, fewer people will think to make a fuss about using one themselves?

SPOILERS! (Click to view)
I have a knee-jerk skepticism to the thought that people emulate movies. The fact that we can all drive anywhere without it turning into a chase scene where we hop the curb and blow through a fruit stand testifies to that. But unlike porn, we have lots of non-movie experience, seeing how people drive in real life. Most folks never see anyone else's bedroom antics outside of porn.

Calico

Calico

New Zealand
April 2007

JAN 19, 2012 08:40 PM

baudot said:

SPOILERS! (Click to view)
I have a knee-jerk skepticism to the thought that people emulate movies. The fact that we can all drive anywhere without it turning into a chase scene where we hop the curb and blow through a fruit stand testifies to that. But unlike porn, we have lots of non-movie experience, seeing how people drive in real life. Most folks never see anyone else's bedroom antics outside of porn.



SPOILERS! (Click to view)
I would normally agree that people don't emulate movies, but I've had too many guys try that whole "slapping my clitoris with their hard penis" thing to think otherwise when it comes to porn. blackeyed

Aaron

Aaron

Shakopee, MN
July 2004

JAN 19, 2012 08:45 PM

There were many points made in the other thread that are valid, I'll restate some of them here:

- The industry has done a phenomenal job of regulating itself for the past 20 years.

- A city council ordinance will do nothing, people will simply start filming outside of the city that passed it.

- Big studio porn is almost completely dead anyway.

Nea

Nea

New York, NY
October 2006

JAN 20, 2012 09:03 AM

Oracle said:

Sallen said:
I honestly don't see this as any different than the government requiring the use of PPE(personal protective equipment) in any other job or profession where an employee could come into contact with hazoardous materials or bodily fluids.



I like this way of looking at it....I also assume they will just move jurisdictions as another member mentioned. So, I really have no new ideas to pass along, just sitting here smiling and nodding. Thank you.



I concur.

mydogfarted

mydogfarted

Oakland, NJ
June 2003

JAN 20, 2012 09:27 AM

Calico said:

baudot said:

SPOILERS! (Click to view)
I have a knee-jerk skepticism to the thought that people emulate movies. The fact that we can all drive anywhere without it turning into a chase scene where we hop the curb and blow through a fruit stand testifies to that. But unlike porn, we have lots of non-movie experience, seeing how people drive in real life. Most folks never see anyone else's bedroom antics outside of porn.



SPOILERS! (Click to view)
I would normally agree that people don't emulate movies, but I've had too many guys try that whole "slapping my clitoris with their hard penis" thing to think otherwise when it comes to porn. blackeyed



I thought teh laydeez dig that. eeektongue

Thistle

Thistle

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

JAN 20, 2012 10:47 AM

NateHevens said:
So much for creampie fetishes...

whatever

(Is it bad that my only reaction is "um, okay. I'll be out here protesting SOPA/PIPA. But y'all have fun with this."?)



I don't know that it's bad so much as incomprehensibly inane.

RudieCantFail

RudieCantFail

Baton Rouge, LA
January 2006

JAN 20, 2012 09:14 PM

Aaron said:
There were many points made in the other thread that are valid, I'll restate some of them here:

- The industry has done a phenomenal job of regulating itself for the past 20 years.

- A city council ordinance will do nothing, people will simply start filming outside of the city that passed it.

- Big studio porn is almost completely dead anyway.



Also the latest HIV porn scare happened in Florida, specifically because the producers there did not follow the testing standards that the industry in California is - for the most part - very conscientious about, and will black list non-compliant producers/performers for violating.