NEWS: Bush Fights Epic Battle With Reality

Pardon me. I was just curious, being a foreign person and not having direct experience of American education.

And gun-owning, so they say.

I hear the government provides the guns, though.

So who did it first, the US gov't or the Russians?

Well.. the Russians were doing it long before there was such thing as a "United States"

I am really not clear what the point of you question is.

I just watched this for the first time today. It's quite convincing and upsetting. It's one thing to think of the current government as greedy or inept, but the idea that they purposfully murdered thousands of US citizens in a day to justify a war or steal a few hundred billion is heartbreaking. I wish a few states would secede from the union and keep their government local.

now back to your brittish empire bashing, already in session

You know...it is necessary to be a more intelligent and charismatic person then he to actually dish this shit out. He can't pull it off. If he were smart, he'd never give another public speech. Just send out little do-boys and always say he's ill and can't speak...

A while ago, I downloaded the "Loose Change" vid. I don't like having to watch it embedded in Google. I have a download link here. Right-click to save (698MB). Just don't do it unless you want a permanent copy. Too much of that and my server will crawl. Low on RAM.

For the sake of perspective, DieWhiteGirls had this to say about Loose Change:

Please do not watch Loose Change. I am a huge supporter of the truth, but Loose Change has so much misinformation in it, it's ridiculous. If you would like to watch some decent movies, check out "In Plane Sight" and "Who Killed John O'Neill'?".

Hell, just go to www.universalseed.org and check out that place. Most of it is worthwhile. Loose Change is just...horrible. Matter of fact, I got banned from their forums for calling them out on it. They don't like people that have differing opinions.

It was not. I asked an honest question, which seemed relevant since NickFaust seemed to imply that it might not be common knowledge, and that was why I bolded it.
Obviously I phrased it clumsily.

Playing it all innocent: no, that was snarking.

Regarding empires, that's a different question, and it might be interesting to consider who actually won WWII and how. But I don't want to divert the thread any more than I have already.

OK. You seemed to be implying that most Americans believe that the events of 1776 were a popular rising, rather than a revolt led primarily by people who used paper (i.e. the literate class). That seemed to have some relevance to the thread.

I pretty much said it outright, because it is a fact. While the actions at Lexington and Concord were "popular" in origin, and clearly there was a great deal of mass discontent, the "revolt" was organized, directed and financed by the nation's elite classes.

As to your question - American History, in American High Schools, is mainly mythology and propaganda.

But then so is most history.

"History is often written by the winners" I dont know who said it first, but that seems to be accurate.

hitler is quoted with saying something along the lines of " the bigger the lie you tell, the more people will believe in it." Not that I'm making any comparisons between our beloved president and a faschist dictator...

That adage doesn't seem to hold in the present case.

According to The Terrorism Index, a compilation of the opinions of security and international affairs experts across the politcal spectrum (yes, including conservatives), just released by Foreign Affairs and the Center for American Progress, many of those in a position to know about such things ain't really buying the rosy reports on the War on Terror.

OK, thank you.