Ubiquitous_Waz said:
*posts a fact* (but now one else can see it)
UW:"Waaahh you're stupid!"
*posts a fact*(which again no one can see.)
UW: "You're wrong because I say so naah naah naah naahhhh!"
Pattern recognition begins to kick in at this point.
*posts something that is amusing to himself and others*
UW: "Lets keep on topic"
*self abuse ensues*
You know what I looked and don't see where you posted any facts, made any contribution, or even an effort to discuss the topic.
see above, stiles's post, dude.
Directed to UW asking about this thread in which he has made no contribution but insults.
You may be a pompous insufferable ass but you do discuss the topic even if incapable of disagreeing without insulting everyone with a different opinion.
DanTheGreater said:
Do you honestly believe this garbage? Kerry (just like Gore before him) attacked the election results with recounts and lawyers. If there was honest to god proof of voter fraud by the Reps you don't think we would have heard about it on CNN/NBC/ABC/CBS/MSNBS/etc. 24 hours a day 7 days a week from then till now? If this were actually true we would STILL be getting stroies about it on the nightly news, but we don't because Kerry was just a sore loser. And a boring one to boot.
No, he didn't. Kerry never challenged the election results. He had them reviewed. It never went to court or anything.
Because his people found that there was nothing to fight, after reviewing the results from every direction Kerry was forced to conceed. And don't forget that outside groups DID sue over supposed voter fruad and lost or had there cases thrown out.
That's exactly what I already said in my original post in this thread. There wasn't solid enough evidence that the shenanigans that went on were enough to sway the election. That's not to say that no shenanigans went on; it's just to say that they couldn't be proven unquestionably to have given the election to Bush. That's why Kerry didn't challenge the results. So what's this bullshit about his being a sore loser? You just said yourself that he conceded. You're not making sense. (And outside groups suing over alleged voter fraud is not the same thing as Senator Kerry himself or as the Democratic Party challenging the results.)
Also, the 2004 election and the 2000 election aren't quite the same thing. If you still believe that Gore was just being a "sore loser" in 2000, you're delusional. Republicans ought to just shut up and thank their lucky stars that they were able to get away with that bullshit instead of still trying to take jabs at everyone who saw it for what it was.
You're right Gore was much, much MORE then a sore loser. And you honestly think Kerry and the Dems didn't push for those left wing actavist groups to sue in their sted? Don't be delusional. Maybe you libs have forgotten that its been DECADES since a Democrat won the Presidency with a MAJORITY vote.
Okay, dude? Elected officials win on pluralities all the time. I understand that. I know a bit more than just the basics of how our electoral system is set up. I've got just a wee bit of education on and experience with the subject. Also, that really has no bearing on what you're getting at, whatever that may be.
I'm not going to get into it with you about Gore or the 2000 election. There's no way that you can tell me that that wasn't utter bullshit, and like I said, y'all ought to be thanking your lucky stars that Bushy got away with that. It's appalling.
However, I'm DEFINITELY not going to get into it with you about Senator Kerry. I'm just not. You don't know what you're talking about, and you don't know enough about how he or his staffers operated or conducted themselves, during the election or immediately following, and you don't know much of anything about the operations of the DNC or these links you're alleging that it has with various leftist 527s (in total violation of campaign finance laws, I might add), and I do. You've got your wingnut "evil Dems" theories, but they've no bearing on or relation to the actual facts of the Kerry campaign or the DNC, so I'm not getting into it with you.
bones_708 said:
Directed to UW asking about this thread in which he has made no contribution but insults.
I'm sorry... I obviously have to gain all this information a posteriori. You know, experience it all directly myself. I can't comment based upon any a priori rationalizations. Seriously... when you shake your head, does it rattle?
and if you'd notice that stiles posted a link to one of my comments directed toward DTG which he pretty much ignored. So maybe i should have cut out one *posts a fact*. Direct, first hand experience.
You posted nothing in this thread at all. You made no comments that were anything but insults. You are a little boy wanting attention. Fuck that, I'm no longer waisting my time.
I don't know why folks get hung up on party politics because from where I am sitting there is only one party.
As for the conspiracy theories, bring em on! The tally machines are easier to hack into then my g-mail account, the electoral college still exists, despite a pretty substantial public outcry bush was able to win a second term, and dead people are voting! Plus to many more to name...
There are so many places where something could have been fixed in some way. No one person knows for certain what happened when but we can all be sure something did. Kids what needs to be remembered, what a quick skim through history will tell you is that there is nothing new here, this is just business as usual.
If you wanna talk election fraud, we should talk about 2000. 2004 was minor in comparison (not to make light of the issue). The partisan in me wants to just blame all the idiots who voted for Bush and his inept excuse for a first term (at least in my eyes). But in reality, I tend to blame the dems for letting Bush and his cronies paint Kerry's depth on issues as simple flip-flopping. As though the sign of a good leader is to never waver on a issue, even when proven wrong again and again. That's the thing that gets me upset about the 2004 election more than anything else.
oh for gods sake, people are still having arguements in this thread?
I know there was attempts on stopping the other party, but I really doubt anyone could of made over 118,599 fraudulent votes.
And frankly, this subject got old back in december of 2004.
SicilianSnake said:
oh for gods sake, people are still having arguements in this thread?
I know there was attempts on stopping the other party, but I really doubt anyone could of made over 118,599 fraudulent votes.
And frankly, this subject got old back in december of 2004.
SicilianSnake said:
oh for gods sake, people are still having arguements in this thread?
I know there was attempts on stopping the other party, but I really doubt anyone could of made over 118,599 fraudulent votes.
And frankly, this subject got old back in december of 2004.
non voter?
i made fraudulant votes for bush in the state of ohio.
It's not about individuals casting fraudulant votes, It's about officials miscounting votes and individuals not having their votes counted, and officials tampering with voting equipment to fix the result so that Bush would win.
Nobody is suggesting that hundreds of thousands of bush voters voted twice.
Akrasia said:
It's not about individuals casting fraudulant votes, It's about officials miscounting votes and individuals not having their votes counted, and officials tampering with voting equipment to fix the result so that Bush would win.
Nobody is suggesting that hundreds of thousands of bush voters voted twice.
Fuck evidence or proof, repeating ad nausium will make it be the truth
Akrasia said:
It's not about individuals casting fraudulant votes, It's about officials miscounting votes and individuals not having their votes counted, and officials tampering with voting equipment to fix the result so that Bush would win.
Nobody is suggesting that hundreds of thousands of bush voters voted twice.
Fuck evidence or proof, repeating ad nausium will make it be the truth
I think you hit it right on the bulleye
I still find it hard to believe they would be off by 119,000.
Stiles
Oakland, CA
November 2002
JUL 10, 2006 09:57 PM