Wasn't what Rove said something to the effect of, "His wife got him the job" to someone who was not Novak? So therefore he had already leaked it which would explain how Novak knew it? And doesn't this set a bad precedent for CIA agents who feel it is in their interest to point out something that runs contrary to what the administration (not just this one) is saying, that there would be such retribution? All he did is point out that the yellowcake thing was bullshit and he got smeared. And he was exactly correct.
TedKoppel said:
Wasn't what Rove said something to the effect of, "His wife got him the job" to someone who was not Novak? So therefore he had already leaked it which would explain how Novak knew it?
During a long conversation with a senior administration official, I asked why Wilson was assigned the mission to Niger. He said Wilson had been sent by the CIA's counterproliferation section at the suggestion of one of its employees, his wife. It was an offhand revelation from this official, who is no partisan gunslinger. When I called another official for confirmation, he said: "Oh, you know about it." The published report that somebody in the White House failed to plant this story with six reporters and finally found me as a willing pawn is simply untrue.
TedKoppel said:
Wasn't what Rove said something to the effect of, "His wife got him the job" to someone who was not Novak? So therefore he had already leaked it which would explain how Novak knew it?
During a long conversation with a senior administration official, I asked why Wilson was assigned the mission to Niger. He said Wilson had been sent by the CIA's counterproliferation section at the suggestion of one of its employees, his wife. It was an offhand revelation from this official, who is no partisan gunslinger. When I called another official for confirmation, he said: "Oh, you know about it." The published report that somebody in the White House failed to plant this story with six reporters and finally found me as a willing pawn is simply untrue.
If all of this is true (and, I mean, I can't imagine Novak trying to save face or anything - no one likes to look like a pawn), and it was just a minor throw away in a conversation, then why would he make it the focus of a column?
She was not a desk jockey, nor an analyst, she was an operative, with a deep and meticulously created cover.
She'd have needed on the way to the coffee machine.
How long was it since she'd actually been a covert in the field? Three years?
Ummm, no. She was allegedly pulled from overseas assignment because Ames allegedly might have given her name to the Russians. That leak is a tiny bit suspicious as its unsourced and only came up in the context of the administration trying to cover its ass. She was still covert, and she was still in the field, just based in the US and she was transitioning to official cover with the State Department. That is now impossible.
Well 3 years or 3 months, you can not tell me that the professional way for the Wilsons to handle their work for the agency is to go writing op-eds about it.
You just put the cart before the horse. The White House leaked Plame's name in retaliation after the op-ed. Moreover you're simply trying, once again to change the subject, which at this moment is the fact that your claims about Plame's job are laughably false.
Whistleblower? That's a secret code word the left has for leaking secrets to their media as part of The War on Bush.
Excuse me, Einstein, but the the secret part of Wilson's mission was divulged by the President on international fucking television
The President said, we sent a covert diplomatic envoy to Niger and discovered that Iraq was attempting to buy yellow cake uranium. The "covert diplomatic envoy to Niger" was the secret part. Revealing that the president was lying is not a state secret.
She was not a desk jockey, nor an analyst, she was an operative, with a deep and meticulously created cover.
She'd have needed on the way to the coffee machine.
How long was it since she'd actually been a covert in the field? Three years?
Ummm, no. She was allegedly pulled from overseas assignment because Ames allegedly might have given her name to the Russians. That leak is a tiny bit suspicious as its unsourced and only came up in the context of the administration trying to cover its ass. She was still covert, and she was still in the field, just based in the US and she was transitioning to official cover with the State Department. That is now impossible.
Well 3 years or 3 months, you can not tell me that the professional way for the Wilsons to handle their work for the agency is to go writing op-eds about it.
You just put the cart before the horse. The White House leaked Plame's name in retaliation after the op-ed. Moreover you're simply trying, once again to change the subject, which at this moment is the fact that your claims about Plame's job are laughably false.
Whistleblower? That's a secret code word the left has for leaking secrets to their media as part of The War on Bush.
Excuse me, Einstein, but the the secret part of Wilson's mission was divulged by the President on international fucking television
The President said, we sent a covert diplomatic envoy to Niger and discovered that Iraq was attempting to buy yellow cake uranium. The "covert diplomatic envoy to Niger" was the secret part. Revealing that the president was lying is not a state secret.
Ding ding ding - we have a winner! Not only have we returned the debate back to the original point, but we have once again highlighted Up(insert your favorite phrase here) efforts to redirect the argument away from the glaring shortcomings of his position.
reprobate said:
Excuse me, Einstein, but the the secret part of Wilson's mission was divulged by the President on international fucking television
The President said, we sent a covert diplomatic envoy to Niger and discovered that Iraq was attempting to buy yellow cake uranium.
er...The President said "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.
Of course, in his shock exposé, Wilson tried to make it sound like the allegedly dodgy intelligence was that Iraq had "bought" uranium rather than simply "sought" and he neglected to mention the intelligence about Iraq's alleged earlier attempts to buy uranium from Niger at a trade conference in 1999.
reprobate said:
Excuse me, Einstein, but the the secret part of Wilson's mission was divulged by the President on international fucking television
The President said, we sent a covert diplomatic envoy to Niger and discovered that Iraq was attempting to buy yellow cake uranium.
er...The President said "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.
Of course, in his shock exposé, Wilson tried to make it sound like the allegedly dodgy intelligence was that Iraq had "bought" uranium rather than simply "sought" and he neglected to mention the intelligence about Iraq's alleged earlier attempts to buy uranium from Niger at a trade conference in 1999.
[Edited on May 04, 2006 by UpTight]
Fine, if you wish to parse what the president said, versus what the Ari Fleisher said versus what the State Department said, be my guest, but the fact remains, Joe Wilson divulged no secrets whatsoever. Moreover I don't think anyone here is even slightly interested in what Wilson's "exposé" sounded like to you, since your response to anything you don't like is to stick your fingers in your ears and yell "Nyah nyah, I can't hear you!"
Grown ups will note that everyone knows what that intelligence was. It was fucking published months before Wilson's editorial. Wilson also explicitly says in the editorial that the forged documents were memoranda of agreement to purchase yellow cake. How anyone save the developmentally disabled could interpret this as him claiming or even implying that the evidence was that Iraq "bought" anything is utterly beyond me.
SomethingStupid
North Hollywood, CA
March 2004
MAY 04, 2006 02:12 AM