produce fuel?

why can't they make a fuel for cars and trucks out of corn or soy beans?

if were gonna pay $3.00 a gallon i'd rather be paying the farmers to produce corn and have refineries in the mid west instead of the gulf.

and have our vehicles run only on our own produce and no foreign petrol.

am i dreaming?

no, your not dreaming.

"They" can.

So would I.

Yep.

No, but at 70$ a barrel they will start getting oil from Colorado oil shale, instead of a bunch of jackasses who want to kill us.

Shell works on Colorado shale extraction

This was also covered on /. yesterday, if anyone is interested in reading 800+ comments about it. Thanks for the link,SirPsychoSexy.

Biodesiel is only 20% vegi oil so there is no way that will solve anything. It might be a help but it's not a answer. The truth is there won't be a quick fix of any sort. There are great possiblities in ethanol fuels, Hydrogen cells, improved batteries, ect. You can't get the idea there will be some easy fix though because that just isn't going to happen.

i think the answer to your question lies in the fact that we're dealing with OIL companies. they have a very specific and limited role, and if you take away that role: they're marginalized.

i wouldn't mind seeing biofuels become more common, along with clean energies (like water and wind power, and even geothermal). but it's not gonna happen until we're already in trouble. there is no such thing as foresight when it comes to energy policy.

I think that when the alternative start being profitable you'll see change. Right now one of the big things is wind farms for power generation. They are worth it because of gov money but as they and solar power advance they will be worth it in their own right and you'll see a strong growth in those fields.

Unless, of course, the wind farms mar the views from the homes of devoted environmentalists like Robert and Ted Kennedy. Then to hell with wind power. Some things are more important than the sustainability of our planet.

Hey everybody! lets go drill for oil at Stocks house!

Pro-Kyoto, then?

Hell yes. The meek share inherit the Earth but not the mineral rights.

you can convert diesel to run on 100% vegetable oil (filtered)..... they smell like french fry fryers! see Greasecar 's website

i have two old diesels that i should convert!

Wrong again, Bones. Biodiesel comes in concentrations from B5 (5% bio/ 95% petrodiesel) to B100 (100% biodiesel).

Biodiesel works *now*, as-is, in virtually any diesel vehicle. The infrastructure is here, the vehicles are in use already, the fuel is here. You can't say that about fuel cells, hydrogen power, or electric cars.

The only thing required is to build more refining capacity (takes more time) and plant more fields (takes one growing season). Biodiesel is also being produced from turkey offal, waste vegetable oil, and rendering byproducts - and the research goes on.

Frybrid makes a much higher quality conversion than Greasecar or Greasel. It's somewhat more expensive, but you get what you pay for in this case.

www.frybrid.com

I wouldn't say wrong just that I didn't go in depth but here you go..............Do you honestly believe that this will solve our dependency on foreign oil? And yes it does come in 5% to 100% but b20 is the most popular and more than that would not be a univeral fuel at this time. VW is just now allowing people to use B5 without voiding their warrenty and it's not perfect.

Now I'm a big fan of this and think it's great and want them to continue the research in this field. That being said it will naver be more than a small part of any solution.


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Not wrong? You said "Biodesiel is only 20% vegi oil".

That's wrong... and you wonder why nobody here finds you credible.

I didn't say that, nice try.

So you've figured out you were wrong, then.

I didn't say that, either. Not everything runs on diesel, obviously.

Manufacturers are wary of Biodiesel because there is currently no national standards for fuel quality, formulation, etc. That's understandable, and will likely change.

Your own article someone who says that Biodiesel could replace 30% of the diesel fuel market in the US at current levels. I'd say that's a huge part of the solution, even if the diesel fuel demand continues to go up as forecasted.

OK I should of said the most popular mix is only 20%. And when I say universal I was refering to use in Diesel engines, so again I miss spoke. But you were wrong in that no one said Bio-diesel could replace 30% of fuels.

Of course right after that was this

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Really do you need to use this type of tactic in a thead like this? I wasn't trying to anything but discuss something that I am very interested in.

mmm, cars and trucks that smell like french frys!

MacDonalds should run all their trucks on this!

i thought this could be possible, i just wasn't sure.

Do you have any reading comprehension? Any at all? I didn't say that. I said this, based on the article you just posted: "Your own article someone who says that Biodiesel could replace 30% of the diesel fuel market in the US at current levels."

Which is why I said this:"I'd say that's a huge part of the solution, even if the diesel fuel demand continues to go up as forecasted."

Come on, read for content and understanding. Please.


edited to fix a quote

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Fusion is the only way to go.

technically 100% biodiesel will always be always be 20% methanol (wood alcohol), used for the fuel's refinement.

I proposed a design that ran on a personal sized fusion reactor for a design class.

It didn't go over well.

no shit...people don't actually want windfarms near them, especially if they have the power to block them from being made. I think they are really a great sight, but most people call them an eyesore.