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Helter

Helter

Chester, PA
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SEP 01, 2005 06:53 AM

Idjiit said:

Helter said:

Idjiit said:

Helter said:

phxphoto said:
Did the Terminator ever "green up" his Hummer? Last I had heard was his people indicating that he was considering it...back around the time he was running for election.


Fossil fuel and oil are two different things. Fossil fuel will run out, we can produce oil efficiently though.



Huh? Check your Earth Science textbooks... Oil most def. = Fossil Fuel



I'm a little bit more up to date than a 13 year old textbook...

Fossil fuels are one *source* of oil, but they aren't the same thing. We can get oil from other sources, and can currently produce the same type of oil that we get from fossil sources efficiently and competitively.



Diesel, sure - but is there a solution for the vast majority of personal vehicles that don't use diesel? Even at this point bio-diesel solves the supply problem, but not emissions problems - I'm not sure where technology will be able to take us as far as that is concerned, however.



no, we can make regular old oil, the same stuff that we pull out of the the ground, and turn into gasoline, from standard organic waste. We're already doing it in fact.

[Edited on Sep 01, 2005 by Helter]



So if we can produce it efficiently and competitively, why isn't someone cashing in on it already?



They are, it's new though, and these things take time to get going. Factories don't just build themselves...

do a search for thermal depolymerization if you want more info (and no based entirely on my memory).

Idjit

Idjit

HOPEFUL

I'm lost

SEP 01, 2005 07:27 AM

Helter said:

Idjiit said:
So if we can produce it efficiently and competitively, why isn't someone cashing in on it already?



They are, it's new though, and these things take time to get going. Factories don't just build themselves...

do a search for thermal depolymerization if you want more info (and no based entirely on my memory).



Wow, looks like it's got a lot of potential. I didn't make it all the way through, but this is a pretty fascinating article:

http://forums.biodieselnow.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=829

Looks like this could ease dependence on foreign oil and fossil fuel in general - but you still have the emissions problem, so I guess it remains to be seen if a transition to hydrogen will be made solely on that basis. Needless to say, having an interim solution for people who cannot afford the latest and greatest technology is very important, so options like this are very important.

Helter

Helter

Chester, PA
OLD SKOOL

SEP 01, 2005 04:05 PM

Idjiit said:

Helter said:

Idjiit said:
So if we can produce it efficiently and competitively, why isn't someone cashing in on it already?



They are, it's new though, and these things take time to get going. Factories don't just build themselves...

do a search for thermal depolymerization if you want more info (and no based entirely on my memory).



Wow, looks like it's got a lot of potential. I didn't make it all the way through, but this is a pretty fascinating article:

http://forums.biodieselnow.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=829

Looks like this could ease dependence on foreign oil and fossil fuel in general - but you still have the emissions problem, so I guess it remains to be seen if a transition to hydrogen will be made solely on that basis. Needless to say, having an interim solution for people who cannot afford the latest and greatest technology is very important, so options like this are very important.



Not really though... at least not nearly as bad. The problem with fossil fuel emissions isn't that they're there, but that they're taking huge amounts of stuff that had been deep in the ground, and throwing it in the sky, which messes with the balances.
The co2, etc... that would be emitted by this fuel being burned would be co2 etc... that has always been there.
It wouldn't be perfect emissions wise, but it would be about 100 times better than what's going on now, and would lessen the problem to a nuisance rather than disaster.

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