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FridgeMagnet

FridgeMagnet

Chicago, IL
November 2004

AUG 31, 2005 01:28 PM

Hysteria said:

FridgeMagnet said:
Top 10 Other Things That Are George Bush's Fault

10) I couldn't find matching socks this morning
9) He gave steroids to Rafael Palmiero
8) Carrot Top
7) Charlize Theron's constant refusal to "look at my weiner pitchers"
6) Gum on my shoe
5) Raven Simone's failing career
4) Coming up with that whole Koen & Sunny are the same dude idiocy
3) Japanese Internment Camps during WWII
2) Al Gore invented the internet, Bush invented "lol! omg wtF?!!!q11"
1) Boogers


For the record. You rock. biggrin



I know, right?!

aegiswings

aegiswings

Cambridge, MA
July 2004

AUG 31, 2005 01:37 PM

The hurricane had nothing to do with global warming. I am an amateur metereologist. Warmer ocean temperatures don't help hurricanes if there are also warm air temperatures. A temperature differential is needed.
Global warming also causes higher shear wind speeds which tend to disrupt hurricanes from forming.

Bastardo

Bastardo

Boston, MA
January 2005

AUG 31, 2005 01:40 PM

FridgeMagnet said:

Hysteria said:

FridgeMagnet said:
Top 10 Other Things That Are George Bush's Fault

10) I couldn't find matching socks this morning
9) He gave steroids to Rafael Palmiero
8) Carrot Top
7) Charlize Theron's constant refusal to "look at my weiner pitchers"
6) Gum on my shoe
5) Raven Simone's failing career
4) Coming up with that whole Koen & Sunny are the same dude idiocy
3) Japanese Internment Camps during WWII
2) Al Gore invented the internet, Bush invented "lol! omg wtF?!!!q11"
1) Boogers


For the record. You rock. biggrin



I know, right?!



Right, I know.

Meaney

meaney

Chicago, IL
September 2003

AUG 31, 2005 01:43 PM

wait...

wait.

thirtyseven

thirtyseven

New York, NY
OLD SKOOL

AUG 31, 2005 04:19 PM

i got the impression it was more due to the gays than global warming.

Orftinatain

Orftinatain

Blacksburg, VA
March 2005

AUG 31, 2005 04:31 PM

You're right W didn't cause global warming It was the George and Reagon Years who wouldn't shit about it

most people car more about funny and smart than the ecological crsis and the corperate powers using W to cover up anything that would make us think about the enviroment or push for humanity to clean up after i's freakin self

Sloane

Sloane

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

AUG 31, 2005 04:44 PM

Orftinatain said:
You're right W didn't cause global warming It was the George and Reagon Years who wouldn't shit about it

most people car more about funny and smart than the ecological crsis and the corperate powers using W to cover up anything that would make us think about the enviroment or push for humanity to clean up after i's freakin self



Say what, now?

waldo

waldo

I'm lost
June 2004

AUG 31, 2005 05:03 PM

skankzor said:

Akrasia said:
I don;t have an objection to discussing the economic aspect to this hurricane, but i am extremely pissed off that the ecological aspect has been deliberately ignored



My house is on fire! Quick, run to the post office, and tell them to hold my mail!



I hope you won't be "Oh that's old news" when someone raises this in a month's time. I suspect I'll be disappointed.

loudog1

loudog1

Newport Beach, CA
December 2003

AUG 31, 2005 08:45 PM

Akrasia said:

The words Global warming have not even been uttered by any mainstream news analysts although there is more than enough evidence to at least allow speculation as to whether or not climate change is affecting hurricane season.



Actually, it's only people who don't know anything about science or don't care to do the research who have been making the asinine claim that global warming can have any effect on hurricanes.





Read about for yourself at the National Weather Service. NOAA

waldo

waldo

I'm lost
June 2004

SEP 01, 2005 03:49 PM

loudog1 said:

Akrasia said:

The words Global warming have not even been uttered by any mainstream news analysts although there is more than enough evidence to at least allow speculation as to whether or not climate change is affecting hurricane season.



Actually, it's only people who don't know anything about science or don't care to do the research who have been making the asinine claim that global warming can have any effect on hurricanes.





Read about for yourself at the National Weather Service. NOAA




Anything on hurricane strengths in general? There were several other nations in the Caribbean, last time I checked.

waldo

waldo

I'm lost
June 2004

SEP 01, 2005 03:51 PM

loudog1 said:

Akrasia said:

The words Global warming have not even been uttered by any mainstream news analysts although there is more than enough evidence to at least allow speculation as to whether or not climate change is affecting hurricane season.



Actually, it's only people who don't know anything about science or don't care to do the research who have been making the asinine claim that global warming can have any effect on hurricanes.



Since hurricanes are triggered by sea temperature, global warming is an obvious question to raise.

ProphetNoise

ProphetNoise

Portland, OR
February 2004

SEP 01, 2005 05:44 PM

You know, all this shit about it not being Bush's fault. Fine. He didn't cause the hurricane. Duh. We all know that. But the hurricane did first rip through Miami, and then stall and slowly build up tremendous energy in the Gulf of Mexico. It wasn't like it just up and Surprise! Hurricane. There was plenty of time for Bush, the Commander in Chief, to start mobilizing troops & guardsmen BEFORE the disaster and preparing the area for the inevitable disaster that was going to follow. No matter where Katrina landed would have been devestated. Did hurricane Andrew teach us nothing?

The destruction by the hurricane was nobody's fault (Except for the fact that Congress had granted New Orleans money to have the army corp of engineers renovate and upgrade the levee and storm wall system after major flooding 7 years ago. But Bush decided to cut that funding therby halting the levee upgrades). But the lack of preparedness for the aftermath is somebody's fault, and that goes right up to the top of the chain of command.

ProphetNoise

ProphetNoise

Portland, OR
February 2004

SEP 01, 2005 05:47 PM

loudog1 said:

Akrasia said:

The words Global warming have not even been uttered by any mainstream news analysts although there is more than enough evidence to at least allow speculation as to whether or not climate change is affecting hurricane season.



Actually, it's only people who don't know anything about science or don't care to do the research who have been making the asinine claim that global warming can have any effect on hurricanes.





Read about for yourself at the National Weather Service. NOAA




Actually, that only accounts for hurricanes that Make landfall. And less than that, hurricanse that make landfall onto US soil. There are also hurricanes in the pacific, and hurricanes that dont make landfall, and hurricanes that go to mexico or hurricanes that hit the carribean and fizzle out before they hit the US.

Pay more attention to what the Data actually says than what the person showing you the data is trying to say. Statistics can be molded to mean anything

ProphetNoise

ProphetNoise

Portland, OR
February 2004

SEP 01, 2005 05:50 PM

FridgeMagnet said:
Top 10 Other Things That Are George Bush's Fault

9) He gave steroids to Rafael Palmiero




Actually, many people seem to forget that George W. Bush owned the Texas Rangers, and never made a stand against use of steroids as the owner of said Major League Baseball team

Mike11

Mike11

Titusville, FL
OLD SKOOL

SEP 01, 2005 06:36 PM

Akrasia said:
I think most people have missed the point in a rush to assume i was blaming Bush for this Hurricane, It was entirely about his response to it and the deafening silence in the media in relation to any talk about climate change.

Public discourse needs to concentrate on how we limit the damage we do to our eco system, not how do we keep the oil economy lubricated until it collapses as supply dwindles.
I don;t have an objection to discussing the economic aspect to this hurricane, but i am extremely pissed off that the ecological aspect has been deliberately ignored


Seriously, we didn't miss your point. We were all just ignoring you.

PixelPimp

PixelPimp

New York, NY
May 2005

SEP 01, 2005 07:06 PM

Nice graphs. It good to see someone who actually bases their opinions on facts instead of preconceived notions around here.

And to see if I understand the counter argument, is it that global warming actually creates more hurricanes, but somehow made them avoid striking the US over the last 30 years? In that case, it seems a good thing.

Here’s a nice article about Hurricanes from a few weeks ago.

http://www.discover.com/issues/sep-05/departments/discover-dialogue/

And by the way, the federal government cannot just unilaterally send in the military (perhaps unlike to foreign countries) to states. It is the governor who needs to activate the national guard and in extreme situations request active duty military, all of which were already available BEFORE the hurricane because Bush had declared a state of emergency PRIOR to its landfall. In this case, much of the fault entirely rests with Governor Kathleen Blanco (Democrat) to utilize the resources immediately available.

Shinigami

Shinigami

Vista, CA
November 2004

SEP 01, 2005 07:19 PM

ProphetNoise said:

loudog1 said:

Akrasia said:

The words Global warming have not even been uttered by any mainstream news analysts although there is more than enough evidence to at least allow speculation as to whether or not climate change is affecting hurricane season.



Actually, it's only people who don't know anything about science or don't care to do the research who have been making the asinine claim that global warming can have any effect on hurricanes.





Read about for yourself at the National Weather Service. NOAA




Actually, that only accounts for hurricanes that Make landfall. And less than that, hurricanse that make landfall onto US soil. There are also hurricanes in the pacific, and hurricanes that dont make landfall, and hurricanes that go to mexico or hurricanes that hit the carribean and fizzle out before they hit the US.

Pay more attention to what the Data actually says than what the person showing you the data is trying to say. Statistics can be molded to mean anything



Check the study:

1997 “Tropical Cyclones and Global Climate Change: a post-IPCC assessment,” Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society 79:9-38

The key point is that it shows a downward trend in the Frequency of Intense Atlantic Hurricanes during the past five decades.

bones_708

bones_708

Houston, TX
December 2004

SEP 01, 2005 09:55 PM

waldo said:

loudog1 said:

Akrasia said:

The words Global warming have not even been uttered by any mainstream news analysts although there is more than enough evidence to at least allow speculation as to whether or not climate change is affecting hurricane season.



Actually, it's only people who don't know anything about science or don't care to do the research who have been making the asinine claim that global warming can have any effect on hurricanes.



Since hurricanes are triggered by sea temperature, global warming is an obvious question to raise.


Actualy it's the difference in temp between air and water makes hurricanes worse. As in cold water warm air not, warm water warm air.

Shinigami

Shinigami

Vista, CA
November 2004

SEP 01, 2005 10:03 PM

In a 1990 study, Drs. Robert Balling, Sherwood Idso and Randall Cerveny found that warmer global temperatures actually lead to fewer hurricanes, not more. Their analysis - which assessed data for 1947 through 1987 - found that the warmest years over the 41-year period produced the fewest number of hurricane days, on average. Conversely, the coldest years, on average, produced a greater number of hurricane days.

ProphetNoise

ProphetNoise

Portland, OR
February 2004

SEP 01, 2005 11:15 PM

PixelPimp said:
much of the fault entirely rests with Governor Kathleen Blanco (Democrat) to utilize the resources immediately available.



I'm with you on that one. . .she's a mess. She didn't know what she was doing in office before the hurricane came. Then once it hit, she was an emotional wreck and couldn't even formulate a sentence until yesterday. I could go on and on about how she is an inept moron, but that would just be beating a dead horse.

St_Expedite

St_Expedite

New Orleans, LA
January 2004

SEP 01, 2005 11:23 PM

ProphetNoise said:

PixelPimp said:
much of the fault entirely rests with Governor Kathleen Blanco (Democrat) to utilize the resources immediately available.



I'm with you on that one. . .she's a mess. She didn't know what she was doing in office before the hurricane came. Then once it hit, she was an emotional wreck and couldn't even formulate a sentence until yesterday. I could go on and on about how she is an inept moron, but that would just be beating a dead horse.



Actually, Noise, I disagree with you on that one. I spent the evacuation with someone who had to do dozens of conference calls with the governor's office, LA congressional delegation and LA National Guard. Blanco's slept perhaps ten hours since Sunday. She's been trying to get the morons at FEMA to get on the ball and get help down here. She has used all the resources at her disposal. She's been doing everything in her power to use those federal resources which were supposed to be available.

I also saw her formulate plenty of sentences in the many interviews and press conferences she's had to do.

And if PixelPimp wants to toss Ds and Rs around, he should note that GOP wonder-boys Vitter and Jindal have done sweet fuck-all since this happened.

stockula

stockula

Anchorage, AK
May 2003

SEP 01, 2005 11:23 PM

Koenigsegg said:

Maxx said:



you know, people had no problem jumping up stockula's ass in that other katirna thread when he posted this image, but nobody seems to cry foul when people are dense enough to think that they can somehow tie a natural disaster into a slam on the bush white house



It's my cross to bear wink

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