Study shows: Men more intelligent

I totally understand that. Sorry, I wasn't clear enough in my post. Yes, this guy is full of shit, but the topic shouldn't be forbidden simply because this propagandist decided to run with it.


[Edited on Aug 26, 2005 by sixtenblue]

A discussion? I don't know. . .ne'er ye mind. I just find the topic interesting, as I do most topics that involve human evolution and/or anthro.

That comment seemed to be at odds with:

It just seemed like a rapid reversal.

I'm following you. My original post, to which I referred in the second quote above, merely pointed out that the intro of the topic was rather bold, given the tendency to knee-jerk reactions in any crowd.

Again, this is a fascinating topic to me. There are, undoubtedly, differences, in terms of cognitive functions, between different genders and races. Those differences don't interest me nearly as much as the reaction by the varying "factions" (not the proper word here but I'm harried at the moment).

Eugenics is interesting to me, not because of the idea, which is far from fringe (people endorse its "selective breeding" concept routinely by purchasing purebred dogs - and if you're an animal lover and don't see this as a very fine line, you're fooling yourself) but because it is invoked to neuter many philosophical discussions before they happen.

In other words, if we can't discuss the topic (sigh), I'm happy to discuss why we can't discuss the topic.

What tests were -they- using?

Last scientific wide-ranging evidence I've seen reports women excel by leaps and bounds over men in math and science, and have IQ 10-15 points higher on the median.....

Yeah thats right. They're born smarter than us by nature.

Damned nature. Yeah I am bitter about it. But thats because I hate algebra. Damn it all!

In otherwords this is pure bollocks. Please drive through

A link, if you have it, would be helpful.
I googled a bit for something showing how IQ tests are gender biased, and didn't see anything (and asked about it on page 1).

By pure bollocks do you mean he is fabricating his IQ test results. That would wrap it up nicely, but I'd be very disappointed in the BBC.


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Of course men is smarter!

Did you see the study I mentioned at the top of page 2? Assuming it's correct, there are notable brain differences between men and women at least. I don't know about between races. Incidentally the grey matter/white matter difference seems to validate what my mom has been saying since before I was born, that on average men think more linearly and women think more circularly.

As for why we have a hard time discussing it, I think some people aren't comfortable with the fact that two groups could be equal without being identical. This is often understandable though, as whatever the dominant group of the time is (white males here) tends to set things up so that their characteristics are considered the best and any deviation is a sign of inferiority. So it isn't surprising that a lot of progressive people are hesitant to acknowledge variation between groups for fear that it'll give the oppressors ammo.

It's not the results or the BBC I question, it is the mode, ie the test batteries used. Which standards were used and what are the name of the tests?

Anywho yes I don't think they are inherently gender or race biased, but unintentionally can come out as such.
I wish I had a google link but typing it out as well the problem is the articles were from a long ways back, hell I even heard it on a morning radio news show once when I was like what in the second grade? But yes if I could get it to you I would.

-shrug-

There are also studies on how we process information differently for different parts of the brain, the differences aren't anything surprising awe inspiring or huge but they do make for good reading, mind you reading I can't easily look up either.

Damn my memory.....

I'm quite the believer in egalitarianism. And yes I believe that, equal but different is correct. In fact why the hell can I not speak so eloquently as I would wish to.
Thanks. Its not really insulting either, it just points out minor neurological differences which are interesting to note for thought and behavioral processes.

Here is a great book (rather old, but still valid) How to Lie with Statistics. It used to be required reading for all stat courses.

Bottom line is that I can prove anything, given the right sample and a good selection of the data that I want to report.

I could, for instance, prove that people who claim that men have a higher IQ than women, have, on average, lower IQs.

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or maybe because we are the same decaying organic matter as everything else.
Clever. How's that working out for you?

my cat's breath smells like cat food.

FACT!

really?

well my dogs breath smells like cat food...

yup.

I contribute nothing to this thread....

A form of Eugenics is enforced though the laws against incest. This has the benefit of reducing genetic degredation created by inbreeding.

Lynn advocates eugenics for similar reasons in the general population.

By the way, this is an observation and not an endorsement of Lynn's views.

my dog's breath smells like cat