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plonk

plonk

Campbell, CA
February 2003

AUG 26, 2005 11:14 AM

Merry said:
If the seal hunt was ended completely it would devastate a lot of Inuit communities in the far North who have no other source of income.

I'm not saying bludgeoning baby seals is by any means acceptable, but this issue is more complex than many would lead you to believe.

Personally I think enforcement of existing laws is a better solution.



The collapse of the fur harvest in other parts of the Canadian Arctic due to the pressure of animal rights activists has led to those communities opening themselves up to oil and gas development (which they had previously resisted, due to the environmental risks) in order to make a living. Yet another situation where the animal rights movement has done serious environmental damage because of their obsession with charismatic megafauna.

Sen

Sen

USA
January 2004

AUG 26, 2005 11:30 AM

imustbestopped said:

bean said:

Rickets said:
Just curious. Not condoning clubbing of anything here, but I was wondering:

Are these seals particularly endangered?


Just curious. Not accusing you of condoning anything here, but I was wondering:

Do you think it's okay to skin an animal alive just for its fur and leave the bloody heap of dying animal in front of its mother, as long as the animal isn't endangered?

[Edited on Aug 25, 2005 by bean]



It's illegal to skin the animal when it is alive.

[Edited on Aug 25, 2005 by imustbestopped]



It's illegal to smoke pot.

thefreak

thefreak

NEWSWIRE

Gardner, MA

AUG 26, 2005 11:53 AM

bean said:

thefreak said:
I have to agree here. It's like PETA wanting everyone to go vegetarian, but not understanding the economic backlash that would create amongst farmers across the country.

-TM


Nonsense. Try reading.



Well, you know, I make no illusions about how much I know about this. I was just trying to share my own opinion. No need to imply ignorance or illiteracy, thank you.

-TM

plonk

plonk

Campbell, CA
February 2003

AUG 26, 2005 11:57 AM

Mooncalf2 said:
Even though the “Canadian Products Boycott” is building up all over the world, in autumn this year the Canadian Government will announce the quota for the 2006 season for slaughtering seals. The expected number is 350,000 “baby seals”.



So, how exactly are the Inuit supposed to make a living without the seal hunt? Or are they just not cute enough for you to care about?

Destro

Destro

Washington, PA
OLD SKOOL

AUG 26, 2005 12:05 PM

plonk said:

Mooncalf2 said:
Even though the “Canadian Products Boycott” is building up all over the world, in autumn this year the Canadian Government will announce the quota for the 2006 season for slaughtering seals. The expected number is 350,000 “baby seals”.



So, how exactly are the Inuit supposed to make a living without the seal hunt? Or are they just not cute enough for you to care about?




please read the whole thread.....this is a COMMERCIAL hunt, also subsidized by the goverment, not just a native tribal hunt.

[Edited on Aug 26, 2005 by Destro]

bambam226

bambam226

Fort Worth, TX
December 2004

AUG 26, 2005 12:17 PM

thoughtcriminal said:
Regardless of what many people think of Peta, they have video footage of the seal hunt on their website. In my opinion seeing it in action makes a far stronger impact on people than an article.

http://www.peta2.com/TAKECHARGE/t-streamvideo.asp

The Chinese fur farm video is also quite horrible.


That is the worst thing I've ever watched. frown frown frown
It's weird because I have no problem with beating the shit out of people but I can't stand to see any animals hurt.

plonk

plonk

Campbell, CA
February 2003

AUG 26, 2005 12:20 PM

Destro said:

plonk said:

Mooncalf2 said:
Even though the “Canadian Products Boycott” is building up all over the world, in autumn this year the Canadian Government will announce the quota for the 2006 season for slaughtering seals. The expected number is 350,000 “baby seals”.



So, how exactly are the Inuit supposed to make a living without the seal hunt? Or are they just not cute enough for you to care about?




please read the whole thread.....this is a COMMERCIAL hunt, also subsidized by the goverment, not just a native tribal hunt.



Yes, I know it's a commercial hunt -- hence the bit about the Inuit (i.e. the vast majority of the people who actually participate) making a living.

mQx

mqx

Seattle, WA
January 2003

AUG 26, 2005 12:29 PM

plonk said:
megafauna.



Why has the word megafauna sprung up all over the fucking place in the last few months? It's a cool word... much cooler than my least kitch favorite word in the English language, eclectic (a word I hate so much I can't even be bother to see if I spelled it right). It's just interesting when all of a sudden some cute buzzword grows enough that unhipsters like myself notice it.

plonk

plonk

Campbell, CA
February 2003

AUG 26, 2005 12:39 PM

Mqx said:

plonk said:
megafauna.



Why has the word megafauna sprung up all over the fucking place in the last few months? It's a cool word... much cooler than my least kitch favorite word in the English language, eclectic (a word I hate so much I can't even be bother to see if I spelled it right). It's just interesting when all of a sudden some cute buzzword grows enough that unhipsters like myself notice it.



Don't know... but 'charismatic megafauna' has been a term used by biologists who study small things to make fun of any organism you can actually see for years. I first remember hearing it back in 1985.

[Edited on Aug 26, 2005 by plonk]

mQx

mqx

Seattle, WA
January 2003

AUG 26, 2005 01:03 PM

plonk said:

Mqx said:

plonk said:
megafauna.



Why has the word megafauna sprung up all over the fucking place in the last few months? It's a cool word... much cooler than my least kitch favorite word in the English language, eclectic (a word I hate so much I can't even be bother to see if I spelled it right). It's just interesting when all of a sudden some cute buzzword grows enough that unhipsters like myself notice it.



Don't know... but 'charismatic megafauna' has been a term used by biologists who study small things to make fun of any organism you can actually see for years. I first remember hearing it back in 1985.

[Edited on Aug 26, 2005 by plonk]




I have no doubt it was around... it's just interesting when something gains "common" usage. For example, I'm sure the word "embedded" existed before the Iraq invasion/liberation, but I hadn't heard it.

Is there a term for unchrismatic megafauna?

PS - Please don't let this distract you from the important seal issue/discussion.

Destro

Destro

Washington, PA
OLD SKOOL

AUG 26, 2005 01:08 PM

plonk said:


Yes, I know it's a commercial hunt -- hence the bit about the Inuit (i.e. the vast majority of the people who actually participate) making a living.



i realize i'm picking at straws here....but , do you have any referance that most of those participating are Inuit?
in my experience, most comercial fisherman in the north atlantic, wich do this for off season work, i've seen or met are white.

bean

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

AUG 26, 2005 01:38 PM

Destro said:

plonk said:


Yes, I know it's a commercial hunt -- hence the bit about the Inuit (i.e. the vast majority of the people who actually participate) making a living.



i realize i'm picking at straws here....but , do you have any referance that most of those participating are Inuit?
in my experience, most comercial fisherman in the north atlantic, wich do this for off season work, i've seen or met are white.


Yep. Everything I've read that comes from the Canadian government stresses the importance to "indigenous peoples," while simultaneously crowing about the North Atlantic fishermen, and all the pictures you see (and not just from environmental groups) show white men. In fact...

Note: not Inuits:



That image is from the AP, from this BBC story about last year's hunt.

It should be plainly obvious that all the crap about this being "vital to the Inuits" is BS, to anyone who bothers to read a little bit about it. The number of seals that were allowed to be killed throughout the 80s and early 90s was around 15,000 per year. That was the amount necessary to sustain local Inuit populations. The Canadian government bumped up that number by 2000% for the last few years' hunts, encouraging commercial fishermen to obtain licenses and take boats up to 20m to the hunt.

Mooncalf2

mooncalf2

Tujunga, CA
February 2005

AUG 26, 2005 02:05 PM

plonk said:

Mooncalf2 said:
Even though the “Canadian Products Boycott” is building up all over the world, in autumn this year the Canadian Government will announce the quota for the 2006 season for slaughtering seals. The expected number is 350,000 “baby seals”.



So, how exactly are the Inuit supposed to make a living without the seal hunt? Or are they just not cute enough for you to care about?



all i'm saying is i don't want people going out, clubbing them on the head, and skinning them...if you're going to kill an animal, use everything. don't just leave the meat there to rot, the innuit most likely use all the parts, not just take the skin...

dragonreborn

dragonreborn

USA
OLD SKOOL

AUG 26, 2005 02:39 PM

yes most meat rots in the arctic at a high rate. as with most "hunting" issues i think most people need to experience the complete event and outcomes before going nuts. obviously as liberal as the canadian gvt, is on hunting issues the need for harvest of these seals far outweighs a cancellation of the hunt. apparently "mother nature" can not take care of the huge numbers of these seals born each year through predation in these modern times.

MrDaft

MrDaft

Vancouver, BC
January 2005

AUG 26, 2005 04:15 PM

bean said:

Destro said:

plonk said:


Yes, I know it's a commercial hunt -- hence the bit about the Inuit (i.e. the vast majority of the people who actually participate) making a living.



i realize i'm picking at straws here....but , do you have any referance that most of those participating are Inuit?
in my experience, most comercial fisherman in the north atlantic, wich do this for off season work, i've seen or met are white.


Yep. Everything I've read that comes from the Canadian government stresses the importance to "indigenous peoples," while simultaneously crowing about the North Atlantic fishermen, and all the pictures you see (and not just from environmental groups) show white men. In fact...

Note: not Inuits:



That image is from the AP, from this BBC story about last year's hunt.

It should be plainly obvious that all the crap about this being "vital to the Inuits" is BS, to anyone who bothers to read a little bit about it. The number of seals that were allowed to be killed throughout the 80s and early 90s was around 15,000 per year. That was the amount necessary to sustain local Inuit populations. The Canadian government bumped up that number by 2000% for the last few years' hunts, encouraging commercial fishermen to obtain licenses and take boats up to 20m to the hunt.



Just to show you Bean that I am on your side (even if you think I am not) the actual number per year in the 80's and 90's was approx 25k not 15k...which is even worse stats for our gov't. wink

plonk

plonk

Campbell, CA
February 2003

AUG 26, 2005 04:17 PM

Mqx said:
Is there a term for unchrismatic megafauna?



Food? tongue

GramNegative

GramNegative

I'm lost
October 2004

AUG 26, 2005 04:21 PM

Bam said:

thoughtcriminal said:
Regardless of what many people think of Peta, they have video footage of the seal hunt on their website. In my opinion seeing it in action makes a far stronger impact on people than an article.

http://www.peta2.com/TAKECHARGE/t-streamvideo.asp

The Chinese fur farm video is also quite horrible.


That is the worst thing I've ever watched. frown frown frown
It's weird because I have no problem with beating the shit out of people but I can't stand to see any animals hurt.


This will cheer you up: most seal pups support the kyoto protocol.

AnnaLee

AnnaLee

SUICIDEGIRL

I'm lost

AUG 28, 2005 08:12 PM

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