Terry Schiavo

How about a comprimise? Keep Terri alive and artificially inseminate her so her embryonic stem cells can be used for research

i just read in the news that bush is coming home early from his vacation to sign a new law that would force them to put this womans feeding tube back in.

i find it rediculous and incredibly inhumane that something like this has to become a national issue that even the trained monkey in the government has to come home for.
over here the doctor would just talk to the people involved, euthanize her, tell the hospital it was natural causes.
everyone would know ofcourse but both the law and the medical board know this is the most discrete working sollution and so far it kept everyone happy.

my grandfather was euthanized like that. (out of his own wishes)

This just gets more and more sad.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/19/schiavo.brain-damaged/index.html

This woman, this woman's LIFE, has become a political football.

I'm sure this is what she wanted.

LET HER DIE!!

It's what her husband would want!

i don't know why shes making national news when just recently there were two cases just like this one here in houston

It's because somewhere along the line, some sort of connection was made or used. Nobody in the media has said anything about it, as if they ever do or would. We never see the entire stroy. I don't like to say so, but it's true.

Man, this whole thing just got me to write my parents to get a reminder as to where my (and their) living will is located. I made one out when I was still a teenager for a situation such as this....lawyer present and all.

This is just one doctor's opinion. There are numerous other doctors who disagree with Dr. Hammesfahr evalutaion. Just because his full report is available online doesn't mean his opinion is more credible than any other doctors.

Statement from the President

THE PRESIDENT: Good morning. Today, with the help of breathless, non-stop coverage by the cable news media, America stands transfixed by word that once again, Florida's judiciary has ruled that Terri Schiavo's feeding tube be removed. Well unlike those "activist judges," I believe that anyone like the severely brain damaged Ms. Schiavo, who has spent the past fifteen dignity-filled years efficiently converting bio-gruel into diarrhea, still has much to offer the world.

More on the link...

I saw the head of Neurology at the hospital where Schaivo is on the TV. He said that there is no pain involved in removing the feeding tube because she cannot feel much of anything...let alone pain. He said they have been giving her pain meds to calm the family. He re-stated the fact that she is in a vegetative state and MIGHT have the intelligence and mental skills of an 11th month old baby at most...minus a bunch of cognitive ability. I know I would sure like to live like that. FUN.

lol, sorry. not really trying to be an asshole. i've just seen WAY TOO MANY of these threads, in both message boards i go to. it's getting to the point of lunacy.

You both got points but are coming from different angles. This case should never had made national headlines or gotten so much political attention when there's so many other unsolved or unattended problems in the country and state of Florida. Also, the government shouldn't be getting involved in deciding who lives and who dies....

They're really just using this poor woman as a sick political tool to further their own ends and increase thier base support and popularity (the Religious Right). There's absolutely no indication that after 15 years of being a vegetable, this women will miraculously snap out of it and lead a normal life....or any semblance whatsoever of one. I understand the parents not wanting to let their daughter die, but i really don't think they're doing her any favors by keeping her hooked up to machines to keep her alive. Shame on any politicians who would use the grief of families to further their own ends...but that's what all politicians do.

All this clamouring to starve this unfortunate woman to death is just awful. Okay - so she's brain damaged - that isn't a capital offense.

Fuck the husband - he's got a new partner (and all the money). He should move on and let the family decide.

I heard there were security guards around the bed trying to stop family members feeding her any water. Shit - that's so sick.

oh - is it wild generalization day?

okay, here goes:

there are two possible times when the left wing don't want to see you dead:

when you've murdered someone, or when you are a terrorist

wow that was fun!


[Edited on Mar 22, 2005 by Albion]

This fact in and of itself isn't all that informative (plenty of clinicians don't bother trying to publish their work) but when you're making the somewhat dubious claim that vasodilation is a neurological cure-all, like Hammesfahr seems to, some peer review may be in order. That being the case, it's rather disturbing that he literally hasn't been an author on a single published article (I searched myself and found nothing.) I would take anything he says with several large grains of salt.

There is no "clamoring" to starve a "brain damaged" woman going on anywhere, least of all from the husband. Several Florida state Courts, and now a federal district court have all agreed that the husband is the proper legal guardian of Terri Schiavo, as he has consistently acted in her best interest for over 10 years. As such, he is entitled and obligated to carry out her wishes not to be kept alive artificially where her cognitive functions are totally gone. She is not just brain damaged, as you so simplisticly put, professor. She is in a persistent vegetative state, from which a half dozen courts have all agreed, based on the evidence presented by medical experts, she will not recover. Ever. The husband is perfectly within his rights to have a girl-friend and have kids. Again, every single court which has heard this case has found no, zero, zilch conflcit of interest here. Stop making stuff up - money has nothing to do with anything in the present case.

You seem to have no problem with Congress substituting its ideological judgement for that of Terri and that of the duly competent courts which have all disagreed with pretty much everything Congress and you have argued. There is no liberty interest under the due process clause of the 14th amendment and the parents have consistently failed to establish that they can prove such an interest.

This is such Bullshit.

Just kill her.

Overdose on Morphine, something, anything.

Starving someone till they die of dehydration sets another disgusting precedent in the cesspool of the American Judiciary.

If she's been in a "veg" state for 14-15 years, there's no way of reversing it to magically make her "come back to life", so to speak. I don't get why the parents want to see her like that when I know they know it isn't going to do anything.

I wonder who's paying all the medical bills. Poor girl.

Aparently the state of Florida is paying the medical bills. The settlement from the medical malpractice suit has been spent on her care already. She's treated as an indigent by the facility in which she lives.

Her parents believe that she isn't in a persistent vegetative state and that there are therapies that might restore some of her congnition. That's the argument they made to the Florida courts. The Florida courts ruled that she is in a vegetative state and that she will remain in such a state barring a miracle of some kind.

I hate to be such an asshole, but where are the "angel of death" interns when you need them? Someone just to hold a pillow on this poor woman's face for five minutes and put her at peace.

For fuck's sake ... let her die and stop "living" only to be a political pawn.

I'm sure she's being watched 24 hours by someone now that all this bullshit has started up.

Yeah, so she can stay "alive".

Did you miss the part where multiple courts in Florida considered this evidence along with the evidence of other doctors and concluded that schiavo is in a persistent vegetative state? We have courts to make these sorts of difficult decisions.

It also turns out that he was reprimanded by the state of Florida for conning elderly stroke victims.

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