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Keith

Keith

Oklahoma City, OK
August 2002

FEB 15, 2005 12:14 PM

Point_Blank said:

axiocersa said:

Thistle said:

axiocersa said:

Point_Blank said:

Keith said:
I may be out of touch, but what does the "q" after lgbt stand for? Lesbian-Gay-Bisexual-Transexual-Q?


The "T" stands for "Transgendered, not Transexual, you awful, awful person.



I've heard it both ways. And I've heard arguments for both ways.
I think maybe one 'awful' would have sufficed.



I think Transgendered is a more general term, meaning not just changing one's physical sex, but a blurred gender boundary in general.



I hope Point_Blank responds to this. I have a feeling they would do a much better job than me.


First of all, the "awful" thing was a joke. I think Keith got it.
Secondly, Thistle is right. You would never call a drag king (woman dressed as a man) a transexual. Transgendered applies to anyone who prefers to identify themselves as a different gender than what they were born as. Transgendered includes people who have had surgery, and those that have not.



You're right. I got it. tongue I was wrong, but I haven't edited my post because I think most people here know I have good intentions, and it would make me look like a chickenshit given that other people have since quoted the original sentence.

Anyway! Back to the discussion at hand, which is the 2nd thread in two days about Alan Keyes' lesbian daughter.

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

FEB 15, 2005 12:45 PM

"The Selfish Hedonists" is a good queercore band name.

mightytoaster

mightytoaster

Chicago, IL
August 2004

FEB 15, 2005 12:58 PM

Just for kicks I went to the web site for Alan Keyes’ organization
renewamerica.us and found the usual bunch of crap about how homosexuality is morally wrong and it isn’t genetic (not everything on his site was written by him, but if he hosts it I think it’s safe to assume he agrees with it). Now, if homosexuality isn’t genetic and it’s such horrible moral failing than I gotta ask: doesn’t this mean that Keyes has done a crummy job of raising his daughter? If gayness is “learned” as then idiots think it is, where did she learn it? Was Keyes such a ineffectual father that his daughter was swayed by the dreaded “homosexual agenda?”
And I found this column which I think nicely illustrates the level of intellectual functioning of Keyes and his ilk:

“Also, homosexuality has been labeled by liberals as a genetically inherited condition. However, if homosexuality is the union of two members of the same sex, and two members of the same sex cannot bear children and therefore pass on genes, then homosexuality does not involve the passing on of genes and is therefore not a genetic condition.”

Jeez, haven’t these people ever heard of the concept of a recessive gene? confused

Edited cause I still can't get the hang of adding links

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Flux

Flux

SUICIDEGIRL

Georgia, USA

FEB 15, 2005 01:00 PM

mightytoaster said:
Just for kicks I went to the web site for Alan Keyes’ organization
[http://www.renewamerica.us]renewamerica.us and found the usual bunch of crap about how homosexuality is morally wrong and it isn’t genetic (not everything on his site was written by him, but if he hosts it I think it’s safe to assume he agrees with it). Now, if homosexuality isn’t genetic and it’s such horrible moral failing than I gotta ask: doesn’t this mean that Keyes has done a crummy job of raising his daughter? If gayness is “learned” as then idiots think it is, where did she learn it? Was Keyes such a ineffectual father that his daughter was swayed by the dreaded “homosexual agenda?”
And I found [http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/olinger/030706]this column which I think nicely illustrates the level of intellectual functioning of Keyes and his ilk:

“Also, homosexuality has been labeled by liberals as a genetically inherited condition. However, if homosexuality is the union of two members of the same sex, and two members of the same sex cannot bear children and therefore pass on genes, then homosexuality does not involve the passing on of genes and is therefore not a genetic condition.”

Jeez, haven’t these people ever heard of the concept of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recessive_gene]recessive gene? confused



Ssssshhh...moralists don't believe in homo, godless science!

robosagogo

robosagogo

State College, PA
September 2004

FEB 15, 2005 01:05 PM

I thought the Q stood for questioning, as in questioning one's sexuality.

aksiokersa

aksiokersa

I'm lost
October 2004

FEB 17, 2005 09:21 PM

robosagogo said:
I thought the Q stood for questioning, as in questioning one's sexuality.



The definitions of these terms and abbreviations is very fluid. I have found that usage varies greatly in subcultures and even in geographic regions.
It is very possible that you ran into a group in which the 'Q' stood for questioning.

Transgendered, transexual, and queer, I think, should be defined by the person using them. None of them are labels I would apply to someone unless they had told me outright that they felt comfortable being called one or the other (or both...or every other combination).

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