NEWS: Professor May be Fired for Incendiary Comments

I read the comments on churchill, most of the ones that you guys have posted up here, and someone was kind enough to put his speech up on this message board, which i also read. I think that some of the relation to nazi's is relevant, when you look at the way muslims are now treated in this country. I actually saw a group of muslims in an airport all getting their things thrown around and looked through by airport security. It has even gotten to the point that some of my coworkers have said things like sand nigger and camel jockeys should all just be shot. When are we all going to stop this nonsense. I mean it was wrong of us to stragetically bomb major cities in iraq, not only once but twice now, and it was wrong of them to fly planes into the world trade center. But thing that really pisses me off, and i dont think that im the only one on this, is that we care more about the fact that it happened here and it didnt happen somewhere else. I mean france and england have people who walk into buildings with bombs strapped to their chests. Iraq had thousands upon thousands of women and children murdered in cold blood by us in desert storm, and we wrote it up as necessary casualties of war. Now, if some other country bombed the SHIT out of our country and left us an empty lifeless shell compared to what we used to be, how do you think we would react, would we just say Oh well, and continue on with our lives, or would we want retribution, an act of violence to shock and destroy their morale and to teach them a lesson also. What they did, was appalling and hurtful, but it was no more damaging than when we bombed the shit out of their cities, and murdered innocent people for a war that was a joke, we did not need that much fire power to take out a lightweight like saddamn hussien, we just wanted to flex our muscles and make the rest of the world fearful of the might of the united states. All it did, was really piss off A small group of terrorists known as the Al-Queda. I wish in all honesty, that the american people really knew what happened over there, cause im in the military, and i talk to some of my buddies that were over there, and they said that what we did over there now, was nothing. My friends told me how they were driving by tanks that were still in the middle of major highways burnt out from desert storm. This was not a nation preparing for a massive nuclear attack on the us, this was a country that had been beatened, and tortured by a sociopath like Bush and Bush Jr. and Saddamn Hussein. I know that most people may not agree with bush being called a sociopath, but anyone who is willing to send soldiers into war without the equipment they need to live, and write these eloquent speeches and expect the american people to buy his bullshit. I AM NOT BUYING IT ANYMORE! I dont think that churchill did anything wrong, the right to debate is one of the founding basis's of this country, i mean if we werent able to debate, then there would be no freedom. This country is based on the idea that everyone has their right to freedom, thats not true though. Cause the whole idea of freedom is that you have to be freed, everyone is equal, not free, equal, if we respect others and treat them as equals then we wouldn't have the problems we do now. Freedom is on the basis that there is someone better than you who is letting you be free, no there isn't. If i am the equal of my boss, then he will treat me with respect and i him. Things work better on the basis of equality and respect, not freedom. And Nationality, this whole movement now of AMERICA RULES, is bullshit, you should care about the world as a whole, not just us. Look at the tsunami victims, when that happened, it took the president four days to get up off his ass and say something, when sept 11 happened , the next day he was everywhere. Which was more damaging to the world, sept 11 or tsunami? The fact that this incident was dealt with as quickly as possible, bothers me, i mean if the wave had gone the other way and slammed california, the president would have been all over it in like two seconds. I think the problem we have now, is that there are so many people on this GO AMERICA thing, that we've lost touch with the rest of the world, and, as a result, things like what churchill said piss us off, they shouldn't, take a look at what he said, learn from it and either take something from it, or throw it away as nonsense, thats your right.

Sobedragon, large blocks of uninterrupted text are very hard to read, and people tend to ignore them rather than go throught he trouble of reading them. Putting in some paragraph breaks and spacing would help a lot.

[Edited on Feb 06, 2005 by Stiles]

oh the joy of double posts...

[Edited on Feb 06, 2005 by Stiles]

Not in this case. That rant made little/no sense anyway.

ok geez sorry, im not exactly the greatest in grammar, or in english, and i write as i think, therefore its jumbled.

Look what i'm trying to say is this, our nation, as a whole, has no regard for human life outside our borders. We would ok the accidental bombing of churches and schools in other countries, but not in our own. We ok destroying entire cities, in vengence for one of ours. I understand what churchill was trying to do, which was cause dissent. Not in a bad way though, he just did not know how to focus his thoughts more proactively.

And I can understand why no one would want to read that, even i have a hard time reading it, and i wrote it. I think i just read most of this thing, got really pissed and started writing, which, when im pissed, i have a lot to talk about.

The relation that churchill points to us being all little eicheimers, i understand slightly what he means by that. See, we elect our officials, hence we put them in charge of us, so what they do reflects upon us. If you offer someone up for a job, and they do poorly, it usually reflects upon you also. These people have done such a bad job handling our foreign policy in Iraq and most of the Middle East that now we are stuck trying to fix the problems of our past(Ronald Reagan). Plus, because of all the media attention on the attackers being Muslim in 9/11, we have had a sudden distrust of Muslims in this country, and the president, many times, has done nothing to alleviate this problem. In that respect, we are being racist towards Muslims. I work in the military, and many of my friends and colleagues are distrustworthy of muslims and their religion. Much like many Germans were led to believe in WWII, they look at Muslims in a stereotypically bad way.

This other thing also, with him being in trouble for the things that he wrote, I really dont think he did anything wrong, he wrote a controversial paper, yes. Sometimes the best things you will ever read is controversial. Many books that were banned back in the day are now regarded as classics in their own rights. I think the problem with this nation today is we are so busy trying to shelter our own minds from critizism that we create ideas like nationality, and patriotisism to make people upset when anyone says anything bad about us. BAD THINGS ARE GOOD TO HEAR, we do not do everything perfect, if we did, saddamn would have never been in power, and Osama would still be herding cattle, rather than being an international terrorist bent on damaging democracy anywhere it appears. I think, if anything, it should be a selected reading thing, to get another perspective on the whole situation that we find ourselves in.

If this doesn't seem more concise then i guess i just think faster than i can type, oh well.

Personally I think what he said was right and wrong. What the professor was trying to say was that we all share some accountability for the actions our government take. However WTF was he thinking would happen when he said it the way he did? He should not be fired but his arguement should be debated. From his standpoint we are all guilty and deserve what we get from the terrorists. I think this is a very dangerous idea for the simple fact that I can use the same arguement to find guilt with pretty much any person,government,or nation in the world.In fact many elements of that arguement are an integral part of the Bush doctrine on the war on terror. I wonder how well the professor would sleep at night if he knew his views help Bush launch wars?

You should see the documentary about how US forces cooperated with the tribes hired to fight on the US side in Afganistan during the mufder of thousands of Taliban prisioners of war. Kissernger was complict in the milllions of deaths in Vietnam,. How about the death ssquads in Latin America.
Americans refuse to take responsibillty for their countriies actions in these events however we hold the decendents of WWII era Germans responsiblile today responsible for their parents and grandparents actions.

[Edited on Feb 12, 2005 by WilliamIV]