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dem_z

dem_z

United Kingdom
June 2004

FEB 04, 2005 09:53 AM

Dr_Zoidberg said:
How the Irish Became White is a good book to read on the subject of our ancestors. My family is also Irish, and many people just see us as white today. Back in the day though, we were made fun of.

I guess the point is that we are seen as white, so we are lumped in with the head start group.


I don't want to dismiss the racism suffered by Irish people; I'm aware of the "No Irish, No dogs, No coloureds" signs for jobs and lodgings.

Having said that, I am unaware of any Irish people (in the US) being lynched because they are Irish, or of any Irish having crosses burnt on their lawns, etc.

dem_z

dem_z

United Kingdom
June 2004

FEB 04, 2005 09:57 AM

RadioPortishead said:
Hey everyone, I'm doing a paper on Racial/Ethnic Differences in the U.S. for my Social Psychology class


What the hell is social pshchology?

and I wanted to ask you all a question in order gain some new perspectives on the topic. My question is why is there such a huge income gap between black and white people in the U.S? For the record, according to the U.S. Census Bureau (page 12), in 2003 white households had a median income of $45,631 while black households had a median income of $29,645. So white housholds made an average of $15,986 more than black households.


ooo aaa ooo aaa
{Offensive devil's advocate}
Try saying it's because blacks have a low self-esteem because they're only ever portayed as gangsters or sportsmen in movies.
{/Offensive devil's advocate}

Seriously, taking a nutty position and trying to argue for it, and getting data to support that argument, will show the weakness and allow you to use differenct searches for data. You'll understand more about the subject, and you'll might find that you form an opinion completely unrelated to the nutty position that you agree with and can defend.

Psydragon

Psydragon

Novato, CA
OLD SKOOL

FEB 04, 2005 10:02 AM

PsychoMagnet said:

Jeff_Fries said:
The general answer I believe is we got a head start.



My family came to the U.S. a lot later than the average African American family. We suffered a lot fo racism..."Help Wanted, Irish Need Not Apply." Not sure I buy the head start argument.


In this day and age racism plays a much smaller role in the income gap. The head start argument is true and has been studied for some years now by sociologists. The correct term for it is "playing field." Its the luck of the draw lifestyle you are born into. If you are born into a poverty stricken blue collar family Chances are that you will be socialized or "trained" to live that lifestyle through adulthood. There are very specific differences in how blue collar and white collar families think and see things and this is so prevalent throughout society that once you are identified as one or the other, people treat you as such. The income gap between blacks and whites is more a matter of the higher percentage of black people working blue collar jobs and living blue collar lifestyles .My guess is that you would find the same thing with latinos too.

Frenchy

Frenchy

San Francisco, CA
November 2004

FEB 05, 2005 12:23 AM

"Black can never get wealthy. They may become rich, but never wealthy. Shaquille is rich, the white man who signs his check is WEALTHY"
Chris Rock

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