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YAWG

YAWG

Victoria, BC
November 2003

JAN 30, 2005 07:27 AM

What I don't understand is why there is such a large number of Canadians who want the FOX News Network to be allowed to broadcast in Canada if this is the kind of drivel that passes as journalism on it. I'm sure Ann Coulter is not an idiot but her ego and need for attention far outweigh anything intellegent she has to say.
I doubt very much she will "get back" to the host. Probably just convince herself the CBC is small potatoes and isn't worth her time.

Chitin

Chitin

New York, NY
December 2004

JAN 30, 2005 07:30 AM

I really wish I could stop twitching uncontrollably every time Fascist Barbie opens her mouth. It's really a waste of energy, and she does it so often... but gyah!

Hussein

Hussein

I'm lost
March 2004

JAN 30, 2005 07:38 AM

i'm pretty sure i saw a memorial to canadian veterans of the vietnam war in the neighborhood with lots of vietnamese restaurants and stores right near the university of toronto, but maybe a torontonian can confirm this.

HenryTMensch

HenryTMensch

New York, NY
December 2004

JAN 30, 2005 07:59 AM

reprobate said:

stockula said:
She was thinking of Australia.



Because, of course, that makes perfect sense what with her being on a Canadian TV show.



Well, it does go along with her insisting that she knew better than her Canadian interlocutor what the Canadian Army got up to during Vietnam. There a certain vulgar symmetry to it, really.

Pauillac

Pauillac

Canada
April 2003

JAN 30, 2005 08:07 AM

in_a_blue_state said:
i'm pretty sure i saw a memorial to canadian veterans of the vietnam war in the neighborhood with lots of vietnamese restaurants and stores right near the university of toronto, but maybe a torontonian can confirm this.



There is war memorial in the area you described, but it is a memorial to Canadian veterans from the Boer War. There is another one to Air Force vets in the same general area.

Is this what you saw?




Or:



Edited because I don't know my own city.

[Edited on Jan 30, 2005 by Pauillac]

DoctorSkinny

DoctorSkinny

Toronto, ON
October 2003

JAN 30, 2005 08:11 AM

YAWG said:
What I don't understand is why there is such a large number of Canadians who want the FOX News Network to be allowed to broadcast in Canada



They're the same people who keep The Toronto Sun and The National Post in business.

Hussein

Hussein

I'm lost
March 2004

JAN 30, 2005 08:15 AM

Pauillac said:

in_a_blue_state said:
i'm pretty sure i saw a memorial to canadian veterans of the vietnam war in the neighborhood with lots of vietnamese restaurants and stores right near the university of toronto, but maybe a torontonian can confirm this.



There is war memorial in the area you described, but it is a memorial to Canadian veterans from all wars - the Boer War, WWI, WWII, and the Korean War. I'm not sure if Canadians who fought in the American forces in Vietnam are included. I'll check next time I go for Chinese.

Is this what you saw?



no, it was a much more modest affair than that, but it was a while ago and i'm not remembering the details particularly well. it surprised me, which is why i remember it at all.

AceTracer

acetracer

Hollywood, FL
January 2004

JAN 30, 2005 08:27 AM

Why does everyone keep calling her a she? whatever

Pauillac

Pauillac

Canada
April 2003

JAN 30, 2005 08:33 AM

Here's a link to a clip about Canadians in Vietnam:

Link

daggx

daggx

North York, ON
December 2002

JAN 30, 2005 09:22 PM

in_a_blue_state said:
i'm pretty sure i saw a memorial to canadian veterans of the vietnam war in the neighborhood with lots of vietnamese restaurants and stores right near the university of toronto, but maybe a torontonian can confirm this.




I've never seen it but it is possible that one exists since approximately 30,000 Canadians enlisted in the United States Army to go fight in Vietnam.

AceTracer

acetracer

Hollywood, FL
January 2004

JAN 30, 2005 11:08 PM

When approximately 30,000 Canadians enlisted in the U.S. armed forces to serve in Vietnam, they were welcomed, treated like U.S. recruits, even given a U.S. social security number. Upon their return, however, they received none of the benefits that their fellow American soldiers did. While Canadian Vietnam vets suffer the same after-effects as American vets — often worse due to increased isolation and feelings of invisibility — the United States offers them nothing more than a plane ride home. CBC's Wendy Johnson reports on Canadian vets seeking their due.



Interesting.

Adroitbeing

Adroitbeing

I'm lost
September 2003

FEB 01, 2005 02:59 PM

stockula said:
She was thinking of Australia.


"She," and we must use the term liberally, was not thinking; no surprise there.

HellboundLiberal

HellboundLiberal

Nashville, TN
August 2004

FEB 01, 2005 03:07 PM

I love this pic.

Omisan

Omisan

Anjou, QC
January 2005

FEB 05, 2005 06:27 PM

stockula

stockula

Anchorage, AK
May 2003

FEB 05, 2005 07:15 PM

When Coulter made that mistake, it's not like it's an uncommon thing for a person to do. It's a pet peeve of mine, I see it happen all the time.

I have a friend who does it often. He gets a detail wrong, I know what he's thinking, but he has one crucial detail mistaken that makes him wrong. I let it slide because he's stubborn and if I tried to correct him, we'd do nothing but argue.

It happened a lot in school, too. Like a teacher of mine who said that cocaine comes from South Africa. I correct her, told her it's from South America. She tells me I'm wrong (even though I know I'm right) but it's not worth arguing over.

Another teacher said the biggest city in South America is Rio de Janero. "No", I say, "it's Sao Paulo." The teacher says that she's never heard of Sao Paulo, so I must be mistaken.

In college, a teacher says that a reckless trader bankrupted Barclay's bank, an old British bank. He's made a minor mistake, he means Barings, another old British bank. But I'm not going to argue with him, it's a middling detail.

Another one says that rock-ribbed conservative Bill Bennett is in favor of legalizing marijuana. He's made a mistake, I know he's thinking of Bill Buckley, editor of National Review, and Bennett would sooner die than advocate legalizing any illegal drug.

In all these instances, I can SEE what the speaker was trying to say and also saw their mistake. Ann Coulter made the same sort of mistake. Yeah, she's completely wrong about the Canadian government aiding the US in Vietnam, but I know she meant Australia.

Minor mistake, and really petty to make a big deal out of it.



[Edited on Feb 05, 2005 by stockula]

HenryTMensch

HenryTMensch

New York, NY
December 2004

FEB 05, 2005 07:29 PM

Dude. Ann Coulter does not get any slack. She's a walking crime against humanity.

stockula

stockula

Anchorage, AK
May 2003

FEB 05, 2005 08:13 PM

HenryTMensch said:
Dude. Ann Coulter does not get any slack. She's a walking crime against humanity.



Disagreeing with Liberals is not a crime. Yet.

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

FEB 05, 2005 08:17 PM

stockula said:

HenryTMensch said:
Dude. Ann Coulter does not get any slack. She's a walking crime against humanity.



Disagreeing with Liberals is not a crime. Yet.


Having a history of deliberately getting your facts wrong in order to "disagree with liberals" is also not a crime, but it does dent your credibility.

And makes accidental lapses like confusing Canada and Australia a tad less forgiveable, per your special pleading post above.

Her business is being contentious and opinionated. If she is not particularly scrupulous about factual accuracy, she can't expect leniency for basic errors of fact.

TheAngus

theangus

Raleigh, NC
January 2004

FEB 05, 2005 08:28 PM

PerilSensitive said:
I think she's hot. Insane women turn me on.


yeah, I'd hit it.














........with a brick

fenris23

fenris23

Vancouver, BC
February 2003

FEB 05, 2005 09:27 PM

YAWG said:
I'm sure Ann Coulter is not an idiot but her ego and need for attention far outweigh anything intellegent she has to say.



I used to hold this exact same opinion back when I had only seen her statements in writing. I figured she was just egging people on. Then I saw her on CBC. She. is. insane.

I was genuinely scared.

She also got basic facts wrong on that appearance and when the interviewer tried to cite some statistics she told him that it was meaningless leftwing propaganda and that she was a better source than statistics.

jake_lex

jake_lex

Lexington, KY
February 2003

FEB 06, 2005 06:45 AM

TheFuckOffKid said:

stockula said:

HenryTMensch said:
Dude. Ann Coulter does not get any slack. She's a walking crime against humanity.



Disagreeing with Liberals is not a crime. Yet.


Having a history of deliberately getting your facts wrong in order to "disagree with liberals" is also not a crime, but it does dent your credibility.

And makes accidental lapses like confusing Canada and Australia a tad less forgiveable, per your special pleading post above.

Her business is being contentious and opinionated. If she is not particularly scrupulous about factual accuracy, she can't expect leniency for basic errors of fact.




Well, to me, it's emblematic of what she does. She's all heat, no lightl. She exists only to put out these screeds against liberals/terrorists/Communists (terms she often uses fairly interchangably), and there's no factual basis for anything she says, no actual argument; it's just bile. It's worthless as any sort of real political discourse.

Right wingers should stop defending her. She makes them look stupid (or, at least, helps them continue the fine job they do of making themselves look stupid.)

Pauillac

Pauillac

Canada
April 2003

FEB 06, 2005 07:11 AM

Stock,

Two comments:



It happened a lot in school, too. Like a teacher of mine who said that cocaine comes from South Africa. I correct her, told her it's from South America. She tells me I'm wrong (even though I know I'm right) but it's not worth arguing over.

Another teacher said the biggest city in South America is Rio de Janero. "No", I say, "it's Sao Paulo." The teacher says that she's never heard of Sao Paulo, so I must be mistaken.



You deserved better teachers.



In all these instances, I can SEE what the speaker was trying to say and also saw their mistake. Ann Coulter made the same sort of mistake. Yeah, she's completely wrong about the Canadian government aiding the US in Vietnam, but I know she meant Australia.

Minor mistake, and really petty to make a big deal out of it.



I think you miss the point. Anyone can make a mistake, especially about an event that took place 30 or 40 years ago. What is less forgiveable is that absolute conviction she maintains when presented with contrary facts. Almost, nay, exactly like a zealot. I think this says a great deal about her (and her ilk's) willingness/ability/inclination to adapt her viewpoint when presented with additional information.

This intransigence is typical of many, but not all, neo-cons; quite frankly it's fucking scary that people like this are currently the decision makers.

woolworthwarrior

woolworthwarrior

Canada
December 2002

FEB 06, 2005 08:35 AM

stockula said:

In all these instances, I can SEE what the speaker was trying to say and also saw their mistake. Ann Coulter made the same sort of mistake. Yeah, she's completely wrong about the Canadian government aiding the US in Vietnam, but I know she meant Australia.

Minor mistake, and really petty to make a big deal out of it.

[Edited on Feb 05, 2005 by stockula]


It's one thing to make this type of mistake while arguing with your friends over a beer, quite another to do it on national tv IN THE COUNTRY IN QUESTION! She should check her facts before she opens her mouth or get some handlers to do it for her. Imagine how effective a tool for the promotion of the neo-con agenda she could be if she actually sounded like she knew what she was talking about...

As to the rest of your post, I'm glad I went to school in Canada. Maybe Ms. Coulter should have too....

Hussein

Hussein

I'm lost
March 2004

FEB 06, 2005 09:17 AM

Pauillac said:
I think you miss the point. Anyone can make a mistake, especially about an event that took place 30 or 40 years ago. What is less forgiveable is that absolute conviction she maintains when presented with contrary facts.



particularly when the facts in question were being presented by a journalist who is a citizen of the country in question on that country's national broadcasting network. under those circumstances, normal people would concede that they might be mistaken.

edited because i now see that woolworthwarrior said virtually the same thing in virtually the same words. blush

[Edited on Feb 06, 2005 by in_a_blue_state]

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