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manual

manual

Canada
November 2004

DEC 24, 2004 10:08 AM

ChrisHorrorShow said:

Doghouse_Reilly said:
And I've "borne witness" to many people who abuse alcohol and turn into violent drunks, yet despite what I've seen, it's still Miller Time in America. And that's the price you pay for freedom, because we shouldn't have to live in a "lowest-common-denomonator sets the policy" society.

I'm not going to get into a big prohibition argument here, because you would inevitably lose (sorry), but I will say that by your "logic," masturbation should also be outlawed for everyone (except, of course, people with medical conditions).

Auto-erotic asphyxiation has killed many, many more people than pot... where's the War on Wanking?



And this is why drinking is also for idiots. Once again, no positive effects. Nothing to be gained. But that's beside the point.

I'm not arguing whether or not marijuana should be against the law. Personally, i couldn't care less. The fact of the matter is that it IS illegal currently, and all the "oh maaaan, the weed isn't hurting anybody" in the world ain't gonna change it anytime soon. Personally, i'd love to see the numbers myself comparing Auto-erotic asphyxiation vs. pot blamed deaths. I have a feeling you're dead wrong.

The point is, and it always has been....the girl did a good job. Destroying the marijuana is a good thing. I'm glad you're vocal about your defense of the weeeeed, but this time around you're wrong.




Gimme a break! And the positive effects of pointing a finger at someone saying 'idiot'? Three fingers pointing back at you.

However, since this was in USA, she was probably best to leave it there. They probably give you the death penalty for that sort of weight.

manual

manual

Canada
November 2004

DEC 24, 2004 10:18 AM

Besides, there are plenty of Rastafarians, and non-Rasta's who use marijuana almost like a vitamin.

Last time I was in JA, there was a tennis instructor who swore it gave him energy, and countless others who swore by it. They've been using it there along time, using it as slaves on the sugar plantations.

Try being a slave, and maybe you might find some positive effects in it too.

As to alcohol, I consider drunken sex as a teen-ager a 'positive benefit'. Mind you, there were those classmates who said 'I don't want to have sex ', and I'm still not sure if their abstinence was from their convictions, or some sort of self-fulfilling prophecy.

Like Isaac Hayes sings:
"No matter what you do, you got to do your thing".

manual

manual

Canada
November 2004

DEC 24, 2004 10:45 AM

Also re: alcohol not being as 'positive' as Tony Robins.

Check this from SG's Drunken Face Album



Now tell me how that is anything but positive? I can only dream of having a pic of myself like that.

MrGinger

MrGinger

San Rafael, CA
November 2003

DEC 24, 2004 11:08 AM

The smartest and safest thing for the girl to do would have been to leave the brick where she found it. She didn't solve any kind of social plight or neccesarily do a "good" thing by turning the weed in. The cops, fascists that they are, would have been happier with someone to bust. And there's probably some up and coming shwag dealer getting his/her head chainsawed off in a motel bathroom for loosing a $60000 brick of weed. I'll bet its hard to buy diapers for your infant daughter once your decapitated.

Domnicella

Domnicella

Flushing, NY
March 2004

DEC 24, 2004 11:09 AM

tony5 said:

tinycities said:

nobodaddy said:
I haven't bought weed in a long time. Anybody know what an ounce costs these days? I'm trying to figure out the monetary aspect of this.


around $200




Wow, I'm glad i don't live in NY eeek


Hey NY is massive. There are cheaper vendors cept they add some extra stuff..like Martin Lawrence would say he had..an Ooowee!

[Edited on Dec 24, 2004 by Domnicella]

s5

s5

STAFF

San Francisco, CA

DEC 24, 2004 11:18 AM

Cigarette said:
Besides, what do you do when you find something that belongs to someone else with no one around who might own it? You give it to the police (or the store's customer service desk, etc.) so the owner can claim it.



that's not what i do. i leave it where i found it. if i lose something, that's what i hope someone would do for me, so i can retrace my footsteps and find it. if it goes to the police, it may as well be lost forever.

VM

VM

Los Angeles, CA
October 2003

DEC 24, 2004 11:22 AM

s5 said:

Cigarette said:
Besides, what do you do when you find something that belongs to someone else with no one around who might own it? You give it to the police (or the store's customer service desk, etc.) so the owner can claim it.



that's not what i do. i leave it where i found it. if i lose something, that's what i hope someone would do for me, so i can retrace my footsteps and find it. if it goes to the police, it may as well be lost forever.



Damn straight. I was just about to say the same thing.. why has NOONE considered this option it seems like?

You take it and keep it, your asking for a world of hurt (esp. at 15 - hell, if her parents found it, let alone the cops..).. if you turn it in, your nothing but a dumbass patsy. Plus, there are RIGHTFUL OWNERS I am sure, regardless of their standing, that probably went through a lot of shit for that.

In fact, "I lost 20 pounds of pot" may get some dirt-poor border smuggler shot to death.

Way to go, you naieve stupid kid tongue

Domnicella

Domnicella

Flushing, NY
March 2004

DEC 24, 2004 12:28 PM

VM said:

s5 said:

Cigarette said:
Besides, what do you do when you find something that belongs to someone else with no one around who might own it? You give it to the police (or the store's customer service desk, etc.) so the owner can claim it.



that's not what i do. i leave it where i found it. if i lose something, that's what i hope someone would do for me, so i can retrace my footsteps and find it. if it goes to the police, it may as well be lost forever.



Damn straight. I was just about to say the same thing.. why has NOONE considered this option it seems like?

You take it and keep it, your asking for a world of hurt (esp. at 15 - hell, if her parents found it, let alone the cops..).. if you turn it in, your nothing but a dumbass patsy. Plus, there are RIGHTFUL OWNERS I am sure, regardless of their standing, that probably went through a lot of shit for that.

In fact, "I lost 20 pounds of pot" may get some dirt-poor border smuggler shot to death.

Way to go, you naieve stupid kid tongue


She's just a good Christan kid..Im guessing.
Oh and nosey too.

squee_

squee_

Grand Marais, MN
September 2004

DEC 24, 2004 03:01 PM

s5 said:

Cigarette said:
Besides, what do you do when you find something that belongs to someone else with no one around who might own it? You give it to the police (or the store's customer service desk, etc.) so the owner can claim it.



that's not what i do. i leave it where i found it. if i lose something, that's what i hope someone would do for me, so i can retrace my footsteps and find it. if it goes to the police, it may as well be lost forever.



Well it sounds like she was from a small town. In some, not all but some, , small towns the local cops are people you like and trust. Again the key factor seems to be she didn't know what it was she found. Personally I am happy when people turn in things I lost before someone else not as honest as them finds it.

Doghouse_Reilly

doghouse_reilly

I'm lost
February 2004

DEC 24, 2004 04:19 PM

ChrisHorrorShow said:

Doghouse_Reilly said:
And I've "borne witness" to many people who abuse alcohol and turn into violent drunks, yet despite what I've seen, it's still Miller Time in America. And that's the price you pay for freedom, because we shouldn't have to live in a "lowest-common-denomonator sets the policy" society.

I'm not going to get into a big prohibition argument here, because you would inevitably lose (sorry), but I will say that by your "logic," masturbation should also be outlawed for everyone (except, of course, people with medical conditions).

Auto-erotic asphyxiation has killed many, many more people than pot... where's the War on Wanking?



And this is why drinking is also for idiots. Once again, no positive effects. Nothing to be gained. But that's beside the point.

I'm not arguing whether or not marijuana should be against the law. Personally, i couldn't care less. The fact of the matter is that it IS illegal currently, and all the "oh maaaan, the weed isn't hurting anybody" in the world ain't gonna change it anytime soon. Personally, i'd love to see the numbers myself comparing Auto-erotic asphyxiation vs. pot blamed deaths. I have a feeling you're dead wrong.

The point is, and it always has been....the girl did a good job. Destroying the marijuana is a good thing. I'm glad you're vocal about your defense of the weeeeed, but this time around you're wrong.



Actually, there a lots of positive effects about alcohol, plenty to be gained by a night out drinking with your best friends. The benefits of intoxication don't have to be tangible to be valuable. But, again, I can't begin to explain that to you because you choose not to see.

"People think it's all about misery and desperation and death and all that shite, which is not to be ignored, but what they forget is the pleasure of it. Otherwise we wouldn't do it. After all, we're not fucking stupid. At least, we're not that fucking stupid." -Renton, Trainspotting

"Drugs arouse the powers of analogy, set objects in motion, make the world a vast poem shaped by rhymes and rhythms." Octavio Paz, Alternating Current

"And so, a piece of broken plaster, picked at random from the ruin of a building... for example... becomes, under the eye of the hashish smoker the repository of an aesthetic secret just as vivid and individual as the secret in the sculptured grain of a japanese netsuki, with its intricate carving out of some semi precious metal." -Alexander Trocchi, On Drugs

Auto-erotic asphyxiation has killed at least one person, right? That's one person more than marijuana has ever killed. And I don't mean, "She was driving, and she was hitting a bowl and she crashed and died," because by that logic, car stereos and cell phones are responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people.

The little girl did what she was brainwashed to do. I can see how you might think that would be a good thing, but in reality, she destroyed someone else's valuable commodity for no good reason. Whether you choose to recognize that value is irrelevant, because it certainly had value to a lot of people, especially, I'm sure, the guy who lost it. And you and other people who have no experience with the real value of drugs should certainly never be the ones who get to make the decisions about that value for everyone else. Again, it's like if a bunch of eunuchs decided to pass a law banning masturbation.

s5

s5

STAFF

San Francisco, CA

DEC 24, 2004 04:52 PM

squee said:
Again the key factor seems to be she didn't know what it was she found.



yeah, that's the part of the story i find most unlikely.

Thornton and her cousins went back to their grandparents' beach house, where they showed the package to her aunt and uncle.



between a 15 year old, presumably with some exposure to television or a DARE program, and two adults, someone clearly recognized what it was they found. you don't bring a shoebox full of lettuce to the police station; you throw it in the trash.

Capt_Sparrow

Capt_Sparrow

Prescott, AZ
January 2004

DEC 24, 2004 05:01 PM

James_ said:

nobodaddy said:
I haven't bought weed in a long time. Anybody know what an ounce costs these days? I'm trying to figure out the monetary aspect of this.



If you sold it by ounces it'd be worth well over $60,000



if u were to sell it buy the pound thats $5000 a pound so 20lbs would be about $100,000
eeek

James_

James_

United Kingdom
March 2003

DEC 24, 2004 05:59 PM

ChrisHorrorShow said: Personally, i'd love to see the numbers myself comparing Auto-erotic asphyxiation vs. pot blamed deaths. I have a feeling you're dead wrong.



Cannabis use is directly responsible for the grand, and enormous, total, of ZERO deaths. EVER. In the entire of human history.

James_

James_

United Kingdom
March 2003

DEC 24, 2004 06:01 PM

s5 said:

squee said:
Again the key factor seems to be she didn't know what it was she found.



yeah, that's the part of the story i find most unlikely.

Thornton and her cousins went back to their grandparents' beach house, where they showed the package to her aunt and uncle.



between a 15 year old, presumably with some exposure to television or a DARE program, and two adults, someone clearly recognized what it was they found. you don't bring a shoebox full of lettuce to the police station; you throw it in the trash.



Very true. If I found a shoebox full of plants on the beach when I was too young to know about weed, I would have just left it there. Kids don't pick up trash without a good reason.

Stiles

Stiles

Oakland, CA
November 2002

DEC 24, 2004 06:07 PM

If I happened upon a 20 pound brick of any illegal drug I'd leave it the fuck alone.

That kind of weight carries a Federal felony posession with intent to distribute rap, IIRC. Serious time without parole. Also, the rightful owner is gonna be pissed and looking for satisfaction.

Your life is much less complicated when you simply don't get involved in such things. Words to live by.

Cigarette

Cigarette

Cleveland, OH
April 2004

DEC 24, 2004 06:08 PM

s5 said:

Cigarette said:
Besides, what do you do when you find something that belongs to someone else with no one around who might own it? You give it to the police (or the store's customer service desk, etc.) so the owner can claim it.



that's not what i do. i leave it where i found it. if i lose something, that's what i hope someone would do for me, so i can retrace my footsteps and find it. if it goes to the police, it may as well be lost forever.



Dude, if I lose my wallet I'd rather some honest soul give it to the cops rather than just leave it there for some not so honest soul to clean me out.

squee_

squee_

Grand Marais, MN
September 2004

DEC 24, 2004 11:41 PM

s5 said:

squee said:
Again the key factor seems to be she didn't know what it was she found.



yeah, that's the part of the story i find most unlikely.

Thornton and her cousins went back to their grandparents' beach house, where they showed the package to her aunt and uncle.



between a 15 year old, presumably with some exposure to television or a DARE program, and two adults, someone clearly recognized what it was they found. you don't bring a shoebox full of lettuce to the police station; you throw it in the trash.



I think you underestimate how sheltered some people are. I was never once exposed to DARE in schools and the first time I saw a large quantity of pot it didn't look anything like what I had seen on TV or the already rolled joints that were my only other exposure to it. And I know a lot of adults who wouldn't recognize it either.

Mike11

Mike11

Titusville, FL
OLD SKOOL

DEC 25, 2004 01:16 AM

I cant believe this thread has been going on for 2 weeks. confused

Cineman

Cineman

Los Angeles, CA
November 2003

DEC 25, 2004 01:35 AM

James_ said:Cannabis use is directly responsible for the grand, and enormous, total, of ZERO deaths. EVER. In the entire of human history.



Yeah, but what about all of those pointless and unending Grateful Dead / Phish / Your-Favorite-Jam-Band-Here guitar solos? Those have to count as SOME kind of crime against humanity.

James_

James_

United Kingdom
March 2003

DEC 25, 2004 04:42 AM

Cineman said:

James_ said:Cannabis use is directly responsible for the grand, and enormous, total, of ZERO deaths. EVER. In the entire of human history.



Yeah, but what about all of those pointless and unending Grateful Dead / Phish / Your-Favorite-Jam-Band-Here guitar solos? Those have to count as SOME kind of crime against humanity.



Those are cancelled out by the oeuvre of Mr. Jimi Hendrix, I believe. wink

[Edited on Dec 25, 2004 by James_]

I_Poop_Too_Much

I_Poop_Too_Much

I'm lost
February 2004

DEC 25, 2004 05:32 AM

James_ said:

ChrisHorrorShow said: Personally, i'd love to see the numbers myself comparing Auto-erotic asphyxiation vs. pot blamed deaths. I have a feeling you're dead wrong.



Cannabis use is directly responsible for the grand, and enormous, total, of ZERO deaths. EVER. In the entire of human history.



Depends on what you consider direct. Is usage/the effect of the drug the explicit defintion of "responsible for"? Or would my best friend since childhood, who was shot to death over a shorted bag of pot, count as pot's responsibility? What about the pack of kids I went to school with who got hotboxed in a stolen car, then tried to take off despite not knowing how to drive a standard and getting themselves killed after running a light? How do you know that NOONE has ever had a fatal asthmha (cant spell tonight!) attack from not being able to drop the habit and taking that final hit?

James_

James_

United Kingdom
March 2003

DEC 25, 2004 05:37 AM

eyeofcolossus said:

James_ said:

ChrisHorrorShow said: Personally, i'd love to see the numbers myself comparing Auto-erotic asphyxiation vs. pot blamed deaths. I have a feeling you're dead wrong.



Cannabis use is directly responsible for the grand, and enormous, total, of ZERO deaths. EVER. In the entire of human history.



Depends on what you consider direct. Is usage/the effect of the drug the explicit defintion of "responsible for"? Or would my best friend since childhood, who was shot to death over a shorted bag of pot, count as pot's responsibility? What about the pack of kids I went to school with who got hotboxed in a stolen car, then tried to take off despite not knowing how to drive a standard and getting themselves killed after running a light? How do you know that NOONE has ever had a fatal asthmha (cant spell tonight!) attack from not being able to drop the habit and taking that final hit?



directly responsible refers to death as a resut of the primary effects of a drug, i.e. overdose.

Pot was maybe indirectly responsible maybe for the first of those, but the second was due to stupidity and an asthma attack would be death caused by asthma not cannabis.

[Edited on Dec 25, 2004 by James_]

apologees

apologees

Antarctica
February 2003

DEC 25, 2004 05:38 AM

SillyZebra said:

James_ said:
If I found 20lbs of weed, I'd be handing in my resignation at work, I know that much!



hahahahaaa smile



did you really laugh at that?

no wonder Full House was on for so long...
whatever

muddog

muddog

Dover, FL
August 2003

DEC 25, 2004 06:46 AM

If I found 20 lbs of pot, I guess I would be one stoned mother fucker.
At my price of 25.00 a 1/4 it would be around 32,000 I think could be worng, now I got the munchies.

merry christmas










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