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cthav

cthav

USA
August 2004

NOV 22, 2004 10:08 PM

troglodyte said:
Actually, it's Jesus People are crazy. wink



*brings back the high-five!

Phoebus

Phoebus

Italy
OLD SKOOL

NOV 22, 2004 10:10 PM

Stiles said:

Phoebus said:

dspsg said:
Are you crazy?! Do you know how difficult military recruitment would be if people were not economically pressured? If people could afford luxury items like food and health care, we would need a draft!


Yeah, there's no way people would volunteer for reasons other than financial well-being. whatever


C'mon now, Phoebus - his wording may have been a bit harsh, but the realities of recruiting (particularly for the Army) cannot be denied.


I'll have to find the numbers again, but I recently read a study in one of the JCS journals that was done on Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marine Corps recruiting. That study showed that the majority (and I use this term loosely) of individuals who cite financial or educational benefits for joining are also the same individuals who volunteer for non-high tech, non-combat arms specialties.

Obviously this isn't going to be a 100%, everyone-fits-a-certain-mold deal. And it's certainly not a knock on upstanding, decent individuals who decided they'd rather be in support specialties than controlling airstrikes, driving tanks, or with a parachute infantry regiment. As it is, more and more jobs on the support side of the house will start getting contracted out.

A more accurate statement on dspsg's part might have been that, if everyone had an easier time making money on the outside, the military would have trouble getting folks in combat/high-tech specialties to re-enlist.

rottenart

rottenart

Norman, OK
February 2004

NOV 22, 2004 10:13 PM

stockula said:
No, I think it's more because in those parts, you're expected to marry the first girl who dates you. Listening to some laborers from the Valley I once worked with, they chided one of their friends for having a girlfriend he had no intention of marrying. "That's just stupid. Why are you wasting your time with her if you ain't gonna marry her?" These guys were barely out of high school.

My friend who is a devout Christian, makes a very good living making games for Playstation, he married the first girl who slept with him. Because that was "The right thing to do". Guess what happened inside 3 years? Divorceville.



this doesn't quite jibe with your "harming the institution of marriage" rhetoric in other posts.

just thought i'd point that out.

Phoebus

Phoebus

Italy
OLD SKOOL

NOV 22, 2004 10:14 PM

SirPsychoSexy said:
I have a solution for both problems, instead of making abortion illegal, research an equally safe way to extract the already fertilized embryos and incubate them at a military base where their development can be monitored and enchanced from the womb to create an army of parentless supersoldiers.
[Edited on Nov 23, 2004 by SirPsychoSexy]



You're asking for a bad Kurt Russel movie? wink

Mylf

mylf

Framingham, MA
April 2003

NOV 22, 2004 10:16 PM

Keith said:


...Massuhoweveryouspellit...

Make it easier to afford to be a family. Make it so that both people don't HAVE to work in order to raise their kids, and still BARELY get by, and you'd see the divorce rate plummet. Simple as that.



Keith I love you. biggrin

Well damn! If they make it easier to afford to have one parent stay home with the kids, that might impact the taxes the extort... umm collect form those same families.

TheJuanupsman

TheJuanupsman

Hopkins, MN
April 2004

NOV 24, 2004 01:13 PM

Keith said:


What's the #1 reason people get divorced? Money. Financial difficulty.

This is why evangelical Christians in the Bible Belt have far higher divorce rates than more secular Catholics in Massuhoweveryouspellit. The Bible Belt is poor.

Make it easier to afford to be a family. Make it so that both people don't HAVE to work in order to raise their kids, and still BARELY get by, and you'd see the divorce rate plummet. Simple as that.



I find it ironic that you say that, although I am not contesting the truth of the statement on a broad level. The irony, for me, comes from my knowledge of a growing number of professionals, myself included, who have acquired so much debt, often in the form of student loans, that they cant afford not to stay married. Divorce almost always lowers the standard of living for both parties, especially in the middle class. Sure we could survive apart but not without increasing our expenses greatly and putting my daughter in the same situation we were in. The only way we will be able to send her to college without her taking loans is to stay together.

Keith

Keith

Oklahoma City, OK
August 2002

NOV 24, 2004 01:16 PM

thejuanupsman said:

Keith said:


What's the #1 reason people get divorced? Money. Financial difficulty.

This is why evangelical Christians in the Bible Belt have far higher divorce rates than more secular Catholics in Massuhoweveryouspellit. The Bible Belt is poor.

Make it easier to afford to be a family. Make it so that both people don't HAVE to work in order to raise their kids, and still BARELY get by, and you'd see the divorce rate plummet. Simple as that.



I find it ironic that you say that, although I am not contesting the truth of the statement on a broad level. The irony, for me, comes from my knowledge of a growing number of professionals, myself included, who have acquired so much debt, often in the form of student loans, that they cant afford not to stay married. Divorce almost always lowers the standard of living for both parties, especially in the middle class. Sure we could survive apart but not without increasing our expenses greatly and putting my daughter in the same situation we were in. The only way we will be able to send her to college without her taking loans is to stay together.



All I know is that the subject that has aroused more worry, depression, and anxiety in my marriage is $$$ -- specifically, the lack of it, and priorities on how to spend what little we do have. If it weren't for that, it'd be solid gravy.

lostarchitect

lostarchitect

Brooklyn, NY
January 2004

NOV 24, 2004 02:08 PM

i keep reading the title of this thread as "deliberate childISHness".

which kinda describes me.

TheJuanupsman

TheJuanupsman

Hopkins, MN
April 2004

NOV 24, 2004 02:23 PM

lostarchitect said:
i keep reading the title of this thread as "deliberate childISHness".

which kinda describes me.




yeah i thought it said that at first too. Maybe because we so much of that around here? shocked tongue

ferret

ferret

I'm lost
OLD SKOOL

NOV 24, 2004 11:53 PM

Morgan said:
How about deliberate childISHness? Is that okay with them?



hah! that's how i had read it the entire time until you wrote this.

i was wondering why he was complaining about married people acting like kids.

Jora

Jora

San Jose, CA
OLD SKOOL

NOV 25, 2004 12:02 AM

SirPsychoSexy said:
I have a solution for both problems, instead of making abortion illegal, research an equally safe way to extract the already fertilized embryos and incubate them at a military base where their development can be monitored and enchanced from the womb to create an army of parentless supersoldiers.
Mommy can be the flag...


and daddy can be the gunny:


[Edited on Nov 23, 2004 by SirPsychoSexy]



Isn't this the next California Governator movie? (Or perhaps my next short story?)

GramNegative

GramNegative

I'm lost
October 2004

NOV 25, 2004 07:57 AM

Phoebus said:

Stiles said:

Phoebus said:

dspsg said:
Are you crazy?! Do you know how difficult military recruitment would be if people were not economically pressured? If people could afford luxury items like food and health care, we would need a draft!


Yeah, there's no way people would volunteer for reasons other than financial well-being. whatever


C'mon now, Phoebus - his wording may have been a bit harsh, but the realities of recruiting (particularly for the Army) cannot be denied.


I'll have to find the numbers again, but I recently read a study in one of the JCS journals that was done on Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marine Corps recruiting. That study showed that the majority (and I use this term loosely) of individuals who cite financial or educational benefits for joining are also the same individuals who volunteer for non-high tech, non-combat arms specialties.

Obviously this isn't going to be a 100%, everyone-fits-a-certain-mold deal. And it's certainly not a knock on upstanding, decent individuals who decided they'd rather be in support specialties than controlling airstrikes, driving tanks, or with a parachute infantry regiment. As it is, more and more jobs on the support side of the house will start getting contracted out.

A more accurate statement on dspsg's part might have been that, if everyone had an easier time making money on the outside, the military would have trouble getting folks in combat/high-tech specialties to re-enlist.



Navy Recruiting Command

For both models, enlistment rates are much higher where income is lowest.


We find the presence of veterans under age 65 to be perhaps the single most important factor for explaining enlistment behavior.


I was NOT thinking about re-enlistment. That just adds to my argument.
There are many other reasons to join. But it would cripple recruitment to remove the economic pressure.

[Edit to add]
useful search google
and explain apparently conflicting quotes.
Being poor helps, but being poor and having veterans (a father, grandfather, brother) in your family is best (for recruiters).
[Edited on Nov 25, 2004 by dspsg]

[Edited on Nov 25, 2004 by dspsg]

El_Jefe

El_Jefe

Canada
August 2004

NOV 25, 2004 02:20 PM

At least they aren't giving the same old anti-gay marrige shit like "it hurts the sanctity of marrige". Britney Spears has done more to hurt the sanctity of marrige than any committed gay couple. There was a live wedding last year on one of the malls in my city ... that doesn't do much for the sanctity of marriage. While I don't agree with the guy about marrige only being about reproduction, at least it's a more sensible argument. In that case, it truly is just a case of difference of personal beleifs rather than some christian making arguments that don't even make sense from a christian point of view.

A little off topic, but I was just wondering about people's views on whether if gay marriage were legal, would churches have to marry them? I'd say no. I'm a devout ex-christian, but I still think the the church has the right not to allow it. I just don't think the church has any right to interfere with society as a whole. I don't know why a gay person would want a church wedding anyway.

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