Bush supporters speak out

dead_ringer said:

and what ideology is it that you have thus far espoused? the ideology that doen't like gays? all you've really come up with is dismissing criticism of your inanties by calling it an "echo chamber" over and over. if you've been paying attention, the rabid partisans on this site tend to back up their positions and pounce on statements that are grossly uninformed, biggoted, simplistic, or just lame spin - which is why your "arguments" get a lot of reaction.

Ecto_One said:

I find myself defending so-called conservative policies because the general membership here is so rabidly partisan and utterly disconnected with reality it's mind-blowing.

Even living in New York I don't see anything comparable to the echo chamber that is SG.

But as the saying goes, keep telling yourselves lies often enough and you'll begin to believe them. If the majoritty of the country disagrees with you on the most relevant issues of the day, I suppose it's a small comfort to climb into a hole with people who think exactly like you and shoot down anyone who approaches
carrying a different ideology.

Viva diversity.

Ecto_One said:

I find myself defending so-called conservative policies because the general membership here is so rabidly partisan and utterly disconnected with reality it's mind-blowing.

Even living in New York I don't see anything comparable to the echo chamber that is SG.

But as the saying goes, keep telling yourselves lies often enough and you'll begin to believe them. If the majoritty of the country disagrees with you on the most relevant issues of the day, I suppose it's a small comfort to climb into a hole with people who think exactly like you and shoot down anyone who approaches carrying a different ideology.

Viva diversity.

BrokenGavelBlues said:

Ecto_One said:
I find myself defending so-called conservative policies because the general membership here is so rabidly partisan and utterly disconnected with reality it's mind-blowing.

s5 said:

i didn't read that other thread, but i can tell you one thing. your post is based on a political caricature of the gay community.

you seem to find it significant that a gay man would want to vote republican, despite the republican stance against gay marriage. i'm going to turn it around: the fact that so few gay men voted republican is what is really noteworthy.

in san francisco, we voted in a conservative mayor (yes, gavin newsom, despite his dip into same sex marriage policy, is a conservative) after the last conservative mayor served his final term. newsom is hated by the left in san francisco. even after his attempt at legalizing gay marriage, the left still hates him. he ran on a platform of cutting benefits to the homeless population, against rent control, and as a friend to business, the hotel industry, and homeowners. he was elected in part through the support of the sf republican party and the gay community, and he will be handily reelected.

many gay men tend to be wealthy or upper middle class white men who would be thrilled to pay as little in taxes as possible. they would want to vote for the (supposedly) fiscally conservative republican party, but find your party's historical stance on AIDS research to be repugnant, and despise the religious fundamentalists who own your party.

you would expect to see more gay men as your party's natural constituents, and to hear that two of them happen to be writers who care more about tax cuts and terrorism than they do about their own civil rights doesn't surprise me in the slightest. marriage is still considered by many to be a heterosexist institution. the fact that enough of them see a large enough assault on their community to vote against their own interests should signal big red flags for you.

think about it for a moment. why would upper middle class gay men even want to be democrats in the first place? they would certainly enjoy more tax cuts, they don't have abortion to worry about, and couples already enjoy dual incomes, no kids, so welfare is probably less of a concern. so, you would expect the party split in the gay community to be at least around 50/50. but it's not. now why could that be.

so, this article is the exception that proves the rule. you've reminded everyone that, yes, there are gay men who would naturally be more inclined to vote republican, and i'm here to remind you that they don't, because of the constant attacks from your party and its platform against gays and lesbians.

just look at andrew sullivan. he was one of the biggest bush cheerleaders of all. pro-war, pro-tax cuts. then bush attempted to enshrine homophobia in the constitution, and that was the final straw. andrew sullivan was republican to the core, but sometimes you just get pushed too far.

what will it take to push these two guys too far? maybe nothing. maybe they're in the closet and content. maybe they're out and proud and just don't care about anyone else. it's pointless to speculate. all i know is that there are far more gay men like these two guys than you'd expect, but the thought of voting republican turns their stomachs.

[Edited on Nov 15, 2004 by s5]

* "I base my vote mostly on national defense and economic issues, like taxes and free trade. Basically, I'm a small government kind of guy. The only area I want government to be strong is national defense and law enforcement."--Chris Taylor, 42, of New York

Britney said:
ha ha! boy look at this overwhelming response of "Bush supporters speaking out"