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ItwasDuke

ItwasDuke

New York, NY
March 2004

NOV 17, 2004 02:40 PM

dead_ringer said:

Ecto_One said:

s5 said:
considering the degree to which you've defended bush and conservative policies on these boards, that's the information i have to go on. obviously no one falls into neat boxes. even stockula is anti-death penalty. however, i have no access to your voting record so i do what i can with the data i have in front of me.

regardless, substitute "your party" for "the republican party" if it makes you feel better. my point remains the same.



I find myself defending so-called conservative policies because the general membership here is so rabidly partisan and utterly disconnected with reality it's mind-blowing.

Even living in New York I don't see anything comparable to the echo chamber that is SG.

But as the saying goes, keep telling yourselves lies often enough and you'll begin to believe them. If the majoritty of the country disagrees with you on the most relevant issues of the day, I suppose it's a small comfort to climb into a hole with people who think exactly like you and shoot down anyone who approaches carrying a different ideology.

Viva diversity.



and what ideology is it that you have thus far espoused? the ideology that doen't like gays? all you've really come up with is dismissing criticism of your inanties by calling it an "echo chamber" over and over. if you've been paying attention, the rabid partisans on this site tend to back up their positions and pounce on statements that are grossly uninformed, biggoted, simplistic, or just lame spin - which is why your "arguments" get a lot of reaction.



They all just use the same tactic: Post and Run.

norritt

norritt

Mesa, AZ
December 2002

NOV 18, 2004 10:35 AM

Ecto_One said:

I find myself defending so-called conservative policies because the general membership here is so rabidly partisan and utterly disconnected with reality it's mind-blowing.

Even living in New York I don't see anything comparable to the echo chamber that is SG.

But as the saying goes, keep telling yourselves lies often enough and you'll begin to believe them. If the majoritty of the country disagrees with you on the most relevant issues of the day, I suppose it's a small comfort to climb into a hole with people who think exactly like you and shoot down anyone who approaches
carrying a different ideology.

Viva diversity.



ooh i wanna hear tute me oh wise yoda

SweetAvenue

sweetavenue

Grand Rapids, MI
February 2004

NOV 18, 2004 10:51 AM

Ecto_One said:

I find myself defending so-called conservative policies because the general membership here is so rabidly partisan and utterly disconnected with reality it's mind-blowing.

Even living in New York I don't see anything comparable to the echo chamber that is SG.

But as the saying goes, keep telling yourselves lies often enough and you'll begin to believe them. If the majoritty of the country disagrees with you on the most relevant issues of the day, I suppose it's a small comfort to climb into a hole with people who think exactly like you and shoot down anyone who approaches carrying a different ideology.

Viva diversity.



If it's so difficult for you here why do you stay?

And, just so you know, the "majority of the country" also disagreed with civil rights for people of color and a woman's right to vote at one time as well.

Brinstar

Brinstar

Chicago, IL
September 2002

NOV 18, 2004 11:17 AM

Gays aren't allowed to vote for Republicans, it is a law or something.

norritt

norritt

Mesa, AZ
December 2002

NOV 18, 2004 11:23 AM

BrokenGavelBlues said:

Ecto_One said:

Even living in New York I don't see anything comparable to the echo chamber that is SG.

But as the saying goes, keep telling yourselves lies often enough and you'll begin to believe them. If the majoritty of the country disagrees with you on the most relevant issues of the day, I suppose it's a small comfort to climb into a hole with people who think exactly like you and shoot down anyone who approaches carrying a different ideology.





thats awesome i love dan aka tom tomorrow tongue

fartingkitty

fartingkitty

USA
May 2004

NOV 18, 2004 11:37 AM

"rabidly partisan and utterly disconnected with reality"

I would like to think that the members of this site, that choose to participate in these disscussions are anything but. What your seeing here is not partisan anger, it's a reaction to the worst president this country has seen in generations. We are not angery because he is a republican, were angery because he continues to do things to piss us off. Like not renewing the assault weapons ban, or backing out of the koyoto agreement, oppressing the rights of a group of people, and the rights of individuals with the patriot act. I'm not going to list every example because it would take too long, but those are the reasons many of us are mad. This is the reality.

Mutex

Mutex

Atlanta, GA
November 2004

NOV 19, 2004 08:45 AM

"If the majoritty of the country disagrees with you on the most relevant issues of the day....."

If the majority of the country jumped off a bridge would you go with them?

Fenchurch

Fenchurch

SUICIDEGIRL

Texas, USA

NOV 19, 2004 10:20 AM

Brinstar said:
Gays aren't allowed to vote for Republicans, it is a law or something.




Yeah, I'm pretty sure they lose their membership, not to mention their chance at that free toaster.

Fenchurch

Fenchurch

SUICIDEGIRL

Texas, USA

NOV 19, 2004 10:32 AM

BillHaverchuck said:

Fenchurch said:

luckyride said:
some gays voted for bush. whoopideedooda, that's some breaking news.


in other news - grass still green, puppies still cute, bush policies still horrendous.




For now...with environmental policies like these, check back in 2 years...whatever...



"cute" puppy in the year 2006




Aw, hell, that's cute right now! love

Hussein

Hussein

I'm lost
March 2004

NOV 19, 2004 10:47 AM

Ecto_One said:
I find myself defending so-called conservative policies because the general membership here is so rabidly partisan and utterly disconnected with reality it's mind-blowing.



has it occurred to you that the "rabid partisanship" you see, not just here but all over the u.s., is due to the fact that bush has chosen to exploit divisive, polarizing wedge issues that are simply nonnegotiable for many people?

in other words, i'd be happy if we could debate the best ideas on domestic policy from each party (for example, i think some of the spirit of the republicans' focus on education reform, if not the particular ways it's been implemented, has merit), but when the g.o.p. hitches its wagon to bullshit bigotry, intolerance, and an antiscientific mindset to grab votes, sorry, i'm not there.

as long as the republicans continue to do that, i will oppose them--"rabidly"--in every thing they try to do. until they give up those tactics, i honestly don't give a shit what else they have to say about anything. since the three star speakers at their convention--not counting zell miller, of course--are all pro-choice and support gay rights, perhaps that day will come. i certainly hope so.

so please don't lecture us on partisanship.

Shawna

shawna

Marquette, MI
April 2004

NOV 19, 2004 12:16 PM

s5 said:

Ecto_One said:
I'll take partisan echo chamber for $300, Alex.

/nevermind that an entire thread on the opinions of one anti-war soldier were fawned over for a week on these boards. no one's ever heard of a soldier who criticized Bush, right?



i didn't read that other thread, but i can tell you one thing. your post is based on a political caricature of the gay community.

you seem to find it significant that a gay man would want to vote republican, despite the republican stance against gay marriage. i'm going to turn it around: the fact that so few gay men voted republican is what is really noteworthy.

in san francisco, we voted in a conservative mayor (yes, gavin newsom, despite his dip into same sex marriage policy, is a conservative) after the last conservative mayor served his final term. newsom is hated by the left in san francisco. even after his attempt at legalizing gay marriage, the left still hates him. he ran on a platform of cutting benefits to the homeless population, against rent control, and as a friend to business, the hotel industry, and homeowners. he was elected in part through the support of the sf republican party and the gay community, and he will be handily reelected.

many gay men tend to be wealthy or upper middle class white men who would be thrilled to pay as little in taxes as possible. they would want to vote for the (supposedly) fiscally conservative republican party, but find your party's historical stance on AIDS research to be repugnant, and despise the religious fundamentalists who own your party.

you would expect to see more gay men as your party's natural constituents, and to hear that two of them happen to be writers who care more about tax cuts and terrorism than they do about their own civil rights doesn't surprise me in the slightest. marriage is still considered by many to be a heterosexist institution. the fact that enough of them see a large enough assault on their community to vote against their own interests should signal big red flags for you.

think about it for a moment. why would upper middle class gay men even want to be democrats in the first place? they would certainly enjoy more tax cuts, they don't have abortion to worry about, and couples already enjoy dual incomes, no kids, so welfare is probably less of a concern. so, you would expect the party split in the gay community to be at least around 50/50. but it's not. now why could that be.

so, this article is the exception that proves the rule. you've reminded everyone that, yes, there are gay men who would naturally be more inclined to vote republican, and i'm here to remind you that they don't, because of the constant attacks from your party and its platform against gays and lesbians.

just look at andrew sullivan. he was one of the biggest bush cheerleaders of all. pro-war, pro-tax cuts. then bush attempted to enshrine homophobia in the constitution, and that was the final straw. andrew sullivan was republican to the core, but sometimes you just get pushed too far.

what will it take to push these two guys too far? maybe nothing. maybe they're in the closet and content. maybe they're out and proud and just don't care about anyone else. it's pointless to speculate. all i know is that there are far more gay men like these two guys than you'd expect, but the thought of voting republican turns their stomachs.

[Edited on Nov 15, 2004 by s5]



Took the words right out of my mouth.

I have a few gay republican friends... and it has less to do with "gay marriage" issues, and more to do with they just want to keep the money they earn.

RANDOM FACT I just read (that really has nothing to do with anything): In 1996, the gay community spent 1.6 billion dollars in the US alone...

EricMetro

EricMetro

Los Angeles, CA
November 2004

NOV 20, 2004 04:54 PM




* "I base my vote mostly on national defense and economic issues, like taxes and free trade. Basically, I'm a small government kind of guy. The only area I want government to be strong is national defense and law enforcement."--Chris Taylor, 42, of New York



Well that guy certainly outed himself as an ignorant fuck who had no idea about the W's record with expanding the gov't. Sheesh.

YAWG

YAWG

Victoria, BC
November 2003

NOV 20, 2004 05:13 PM

Don't you read Doonesbury Ecto_One? I know it's a comic and all but one of the characters is a gay Republican , has been for years.
Just like it's not a suprise that some Midwestern citizens voted for Senator Kerry no one should be making blanket judgments on one group or another.

pmonkeyEsquire

pmonkeyEsquire

I'm lost
May 2004

NOV 20, 2004 05:20 PM

by "bush supporters" I assume you mean "ignorant motherfuckers."

stolenhistories

stolenhistories

Peace River, AB
September 2004

NOV 20, 2004 11:22 PM

Britney said:
ha ha! boy look at this overwhelming response of "Bush supporters speaking out"

skull whatever skull



Cuz, y'know, there's a lot of Gay Conservative Christian Males on this site. Why wouldn't there be?

OH WAIT.... IT'S A FEMALE PORN SITE.

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